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Bad Day for Utd and Football

shaggy

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multiball would be awesome, glazer allready owns the tampa bay buchaneers, so obviously this guy has enough money 2 pay sky 2 get out of the contract fa signed & then man utd can sign deals just 4 them, then chelsea will go hey we have tons of money 2 & if we also sign a exclusive tv deal it will mean more money 4 chelsea which means more movey 4 me, if glazer gets the 3% man utd & the premier league r in deep sh*t
 

Mad Dogg

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tiburon said:
Mate your a fool. Yes Glazer will sh*t up Manchester United in the short term and in the long term probably not much else will change but this will all have ZERO effect on all other English clubs. Negotiatie Man. Utd Tv rights? He can't he doesn't own them nor do Manchester United. The last time I checked Manchester United were apart of the English Premier League run by the FA whom along with Sky who paid some idiotic amount of money for the rights for the next ten years or so own the rights nothing to do with Manchester.
I think the Sky deal only lasts for another two years. And it's certainly possible that Glazer could take this to court before then, in which case it could easily go either way. One of the European unions have already declared that they way the FA work the television deal may be illegal, and that they will be looking into it once the current deal is up.

The top Italian and Spanish clubs already negotiate their own television packages I believe.
 

sunny

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This tv rights thing is a worry- individual club tv rights should not be allowed to be negociated.
 

perth sharkie

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So we could see the Premiership becoming even less competitive in the future with individual clubs negotiating their own TV money. This is bad news.
 

perth sharkie

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Southernsaint said:
Setanta should get the EPL rights. They rule...

Setanta probably couldn't afford the EPL rights. They're valued at over 1 billion pounds.

However, if Glazer successfully manages to get clubs to negotiate their TV rights individually, they may be able to afford the rights to certain teams.
 

RICHO

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Raider Ultra said:
I wasn't talking about the club, I was talking about the fans. The many Surrey based supporters you have thought it was hilarious that Palace nearly went bust in 2000, I hope Glazer strips all your assets and pisses off.

I hope someone comes along and strips you of all your clothes, has his way with your arse, and pisses off leaving you tied to a street sign. That's what good blokes like you deserve.


Glazer seems like he wants to profit by buying into Man Utd. The fans don't want it, so they are angry. Fair enough.


There needs to be an investigation into Chelsea too. There's too many dodgy dealings and such going on. Kick the bastards down to the 2nd Division, and see how long Roman keeps putting money in.
 

mightybears

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Daithi O'Conaill said:
I hope English football crashes and burns with the next TV deal.

yeah but wouldn't you want celtic [and the ibrox mob] in the epl
rest of scotland would lose revenue but a great challenge
 
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A great article from the Observer.

United at the centre of game falling apart

Kevin Mitchell
Sunday May 15, 2005
The Observer

For those with a drop of radical blood left, there was something comfortingly nostalgic about the sight of angry men standing at the factory gates last week, burning an effigy of their cruel new boss. They might have been Dagenham car workers, Yorkshire miners, Scottish dockers, dustbin men or printers, shimmering spectres now from distant times when to kick against the pricks was considered admirable rather than merely pointless.
They were, of course, football fans, the new class of the exploited proletariat.

But just as workers in the 1970s and 1980s bent to the will of resolute enemies in government and industry, it was impossible to escape the conclusion that those Manchester United supporters railing so passionately and with such good cause against the takeover of their club by Malcolm Glazer were doomed to fail. It was a suspicion confirmed in their rhetoric. They would, they proclaimed to the TV cameras, boycott the Megastore! It resembled gesture politics at its saddest - powerless fans threatening to go in 'kicking and screaming' against the corporate raider from hell and Tampa Bay but knowing, deep down, their chances are slim.

They have got the nation with them, no doubt. But so did the miners. Then came Orgreave, blood, recriminations and defeat.

Certainly universal sympathy went out to Jules Spencer, the chairman of the Independent Manchester United Supporters Association, in his determination to stop Glazer reaching the 75 per cent stake in the club that would enable him to make the club his private plaything and a dustbin for his debts. And few could disagree with Oliver Houston, the vice-chairman of Shareholders United, who saw treachery in the sellout by the Irishmen JP McManus and John Magnier. 'They have taken the 30 pieces of silver,' he said of their decision to walk away from United and their estranged friend, Sir Alex Ferguson, weighed down by £76million of Glazer's money but not, apparently, any sense of shame.

Ferguson must know he is paying the price for his feud over a mere race horse. McManus and Magnier have played a long game in their bitter and puerile war with the manager, waiting until Glazer's offer was irresistible. It was a cruel longueur because it not only suggested they were big enough to put behind them their dead argument with Ferguson but gave supporters the impression they were on their side, staving off the repeated advances of Glazer. Neither seems to have been the case.

Yet, injustice notwithstanding and in the light of this squalid intrigue, there are two festering issues for United fans to resolve. Is their club worth supporting? And what, indeed, is Manchester United?

David Boyle, the deputy manager of Supporters Direct, an umbrella organisation for 127 trusts, more than 60 of which have some form of shareholding on behalf of supporters in football clubs across the country, says the idea of United fans walking out on Old Trafford forever and forming a new club is not as ludicrous as it might sound to those besotted with the club's legendary status.

'Some fans are already talking about starting again,' Boyle says, 'like AFC Wimbledon, who took 3,500 supporters with them. There will be a lot of people who will boycott United and it's not just over Glazer. He might just be the last straw. It is now so expensive to follow a club as big as United that many people simply can't afford it any more. They now have what might seem to be a convenient excuse to go.'

Futile or noble? Both, probably. Such is the fan base of United, it would not be long before those empty seats were filled again by incomers and those among the faithful whose addiction is beyond healing.

What, though, would the defectors be leaving? Romantics point to the club's glorious history, a style of football, a thousand shared memories, hundreds of wonderful nights. They will view defection as cowardly and dishonest, a betrayal of all they have ever believed in about United. This is the power of the footballing myth. For some, no amount of damning evidence will sway them from their allegiance.

Cynics. meanwhile, see greedy businessmen presiding over a corporate monster and a team of hugely rich footballers whose loyalty is determined not by old-fashioned values but by their agents; already rumours are spreading that Cristiano Ronaldo and Ryan Giggs are getting ready to go. Rio Ferdinand might not be far behind. How long will Roy Keane's legs hold him up? John Obi Mikel, the Nigerian teenager at the centre of a tug-of-war between United and Chelsea, might now view London as a more promising destination than Manchester. Others, in place or in waiting, could easily become skittish. And Ferguson, at 63 and in charge of a fading team, could decide to negotiate a dignified exit rather than risk a humiliating sacking by an owner for whom he appears to have little affection. David Gill, the feisty chief executive who has counselled bravely against the entreaties of Glazer, will almost certainly be readying himself for the long envelope, too.

It all has the look of a desperately listing ship. There could be worse to come. If Glazer is as ruthless as his critics say - 'a snake in sheep's clothing', as an American judge once called him - he will provide United supporters with the most terrible dilemma: to stay and fight, or walk away, disillusioned by the virus that has taken such a grip on all of football: greed.

This is the question United fans will be asking themselves this morning, on the eve of their final Premiership match. It is a comic twist that only victory in the FA Cup - the Cup they so arrogantly refused to defend in their pomp - can rescue their miserable season. It might all have been so different had Shareholders United moved into the boardroom earlier. 'If Glazer had tried this on five years from now,' says Boyle, 'the United fans would have had a very good chance of stopping him.'

It is some claim. But, he says, Supporters Direct is one of the best-kept secrets in football and is growing. He predicts that its guiding principle - turning fans into shareholders and encouraging the bond between the community and the boardroom - is the only way forward. 'Every model has been tried: butcher, baker, candlestick maker, millionaires, sugar daddies, plcs. They have all run up debts and gambled with tomorrow's money today. This is the only game left in town because, as long as there are football fans, there will be football clubs. In truth, the game has never been as properly run and community-based as it can be.'

There are 10 Football League clubs where trusts have a majority holding, with Stockport County and Rushden & Diamonds coming on board next month. 'In five years,' says Boyle, '25 per cent of clubs in the Nationwide will be run by supporters trusts. That should be up to 50 per cent in 10 years. And 20 years from now we expect the vast majority of clubs to be run by their supporters.'

In various forms, it works in Norway, Germany and Spain. If the great experiment in footballing democracy were to take hold here, the fans just might rescue what is left of football's soul.
 

Tidus_Raider

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This sucks. Love them or hate them (I love them) Man U are not just a football team. They are an institution and to see this happen to a proud club is devastating.
 

Raider Ultra

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Why should we feel sorry for them. They having been riding the gravy train since they floated back in the 90s. Now it has come to a shuddering halt we're expected to shed tears for them. I'm sure the 10 Premierships, or however many it is, they bought with the money from becoming a PLC will ease the pain.
 

woodgers

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I heard this guy wants to buy Palace. Negotiations are still early days but I believe he has offered $20 and a pack of Walkers Cheese and Onion :lol:

See you Sunday
 

Mad Dogg

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As angry as I am with Glazer, at least at the heart of it what he is doing is perfectly legal. The business with John Obi Mikel is, in it's own way, even more distasteful. Apparantly Nigerian gansters have been taking most of the money from his (and many other young Nigerians) wages and deals, leaving him with a small amount of 'pocketmoney'. Lyn have been trying to help him out with this, which is why (apparantly with his permission) they kept his agents away while the deal with Man Utd was worked out. As soon as this became public, those agents came back into the picture as they want him to go to Chelsea (seeing as Chelsea are working with the agents they'll be payed big-time, unlike the deal with us). Two weeks commence of death-threats to Mikel, his family, and a number of other people involved with the deal (the Lyn director has had to take his children out of school). Then Mikel was seen by one of his teammates crying late at night, and he disappears the next day. Everybody starts frantically looking for him, but he eventually turns up in London with one of his agents (the aptly named John sh*ttu), and has since claimed that the deal with Man Utd was done under pressure and he wasn't allowed to have his agents help him (the complaint is directed against Lyn rather than Utd).

It's nasty stuff however it turns out, and shows the dark side of football where the agents often have more power than the player when they come from African countries.

Thought I'd also mention that Chelsea took one of Lyn's other young Nigerian players for a trial in January, and Lyn are still trying to get him back.
 

Southernsaint

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Didn't take long...
 

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