Barba sacked by Cowboys

[carcharias]

The NRL is pretty much one of the only mobs who even mention looking after a sacked employee.

 

[betcats]

Like any employer, they can't be seen to just cast people aside without an attempt to counsel them. Modern HR 101

Yeah people don't get straight fired anymore lol are you kidding? What fact is that based on?

 

[Quicksilver]

Like any employer, they can't be seen to just cast people aside without an attempt to counsel them. Modern HR 101

People get sacked for breaching their contracts all the time.

If you really want to be nice give them a $2,000 voucher for Counsellors R Us on their way out.

 

[Timmah]

The NRL is pretty much one of the only mobs who even mention looking after a sacked employee.

Yeah people don't get straight fired anymore lol are you kidding? What fact is that based on?

People get sacked for breaching their contracts all the time.

If you really want to be nice give them a $2,000 voucher for Counsellors R Us on their way out.

It's almost like professional sport is a fairly unique workplace environment (with a fairly limited lifespan) and requires different management. Who knew?

 

[betcats]

It's almost like professional sport is a fairly unique workplace environment (with a fairly limited lifespan) and requires different management. Who knew?

It seems like the type of management required depends on what side of the bed Todd woke up on that day.

 

[SBD82]

Like any employer, they can't be seen to just cast people aside without an attempt to counsel them. Modern HR 101

It's not only covered in HR 101. Plenty of other schools of political science and sociology would agree.

The NRL does not exist in isolation. It's a social institution that interacts with, and bears a degree of responsibility to, the broader community and other institutions. What level of responsibility it bears is debateable, but to suggest that it can respond in black and white as though it exists in a bubble is simplistic at best, and irresponsible at worst.

 

[Quicksilver]

It's not only covered in HR 101. Plenty of other schools of political science and sociology would agree.

The NRL does not exist in isolation. It's a social institution that interacts with, and bears a degree of responsibility to, the broader community and other institutions. What level of responsibility it bears is debateable, but to suggest that it can respond in black and white as though it exists in a bubble is simplistic at best, and irresponsible at worst.

No it's not.

If you do X, Y or Z, you're not a fit for this organisation. (If you want the management speak)

Good bye.

 

[betcats]

No it's not.

If you do X, Y or Z, you're not a fit for this organisation. (If you want the management speak)

Good bye.

Five minutes ago it was part of any employers modern HR and then it was actually special management for a unique working environment, Timmah is just making it up as he goes and contradicting himself in the process.

 

[Perth Red]

They already have some pretty clear clauses in their expectations of players behaviour as part of their employment. What they dont have is a consistent and fair and equitable response when those clauses are broken by the players. They also seem to feel an obligation to players who break these clauses, even though it can and often does end up damaging the NRL. They brought it in for recreational drug use, its very clear. Why not do the same for criminal activity or activities that damage the games reputation and value? At the moment its a dogs breakfast and why things have gone so pear shaped this off season will no doubt be deliberated for some time.

 

[Timmah]

Five minutes ago it was part of any employers modern HR and then it was actually special management for a unique working environment, Timmah is just making it up as he goes and contradicting himself in the process.

If you continue to have arguments in absolute statements and not acknowledge any level of complexity, nobody's going to understand anything.

 

[Quicksilver]

Like any employer, they can't be seen to just cast people aside without an attempt to counsel them. Modern HR 101

It's almost like professional sport is a fairly unique workplace environment (with a fairly limited lifespan) and requires different management. Who knew?

Ay?

Are we talking about any old employer now or just professional sports?

In either case people can (and probably should) be turfed for serious disciplinary issues.

And the length of the career should make no difference. To play devil's advocate, if the career is already going to be short it's probably easier on them. What's 2 years off a potential 5-10 year career anyway? (at best. I think the average NRL career is something like 50 games?).

Surely it would be worse to lose 48 years off a 50 year career. Anyone with a career that short should be looking at something else to do afterwards.

 

[betcats]

If you continue to have arguments in absolute statements and not acknowledge any level of complexity, nobody's going to understand anything.

If you continue to post contradictory statements everyone will understand you are talking out of your ass.

 

[Timmah]

Ay?

Are we talking about any old employer now or just professional sports?

In either case people can (and probably should) be turfed for serious disciplinary issues.

And the length of the career should make no difference. To play devil's advocate, if the career is already going to be short it's probably easier on them. What's 2 years off a potential 5-10 year career anyway? (at best. I think the average NRL career is something like 50 games?).

Surely it would be worse to lose 48 years off a 50 year career. Anyone with a career that short should be looking at something else to do afterwards.

I don't think this sort of line of questioning is helpful or instructive to the discussion?

There are so many wide and varied incidents that happen, of different seriousness.

I don't believe a framework would be a success. We'd be hearing very quickly from the media (and therefore the public) that the framework is too rigid and players who do relatively minor things are getting punished too harshly.

As such I don't see any way forward but to assess each case on his merits. I doubt we'll ever get consistency because very few incidents are truly consistent

 

[Timmah]

If you continue to post contradictory statements everyone will understand you are talking out of your ass.

If you continue to play the man, and not the ball, then everyone will understand that discussing this issue is less important to you than gaining winz on the interweb.

 

[carcharias]

Like any employer, they can't be seen to just cast people aside without an attempt to counsel them. Modern HR 101

Like any employer?
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong

 

[carcharias]

It's almost like professional sport is a fairly unique workplace environment (with a fairly limited lifespan) and requires different management. Who knew?

That is not what you said.
Not even close

 

[taipan]

How about a sport's journalist who is charged DUI on two occasions and continually preached to footballers the social norms required?.
Now IMO,
this offence is obviously putting lives at risk ,and is a criminal offence.Yet the person in question remained in the job.SFA publicity.
My point ,people do retain their positions and/or are demoted within an organisation.

Serious breaches confirmed/proven in sport, no second chance.Two strikes for minor(reducing the black and white argument) and you're either out for 12 months or fined heavily.And we would never had gotten into the position ,the NRL has found itself.
A rap sheet such as Barba's ,would never have reached that stage.

The Broncos did damage by taking on Lodge.The amount of public negativity from all media sources and social media, dragged the game well down.

 

[Alex28]

I don’t think Benny is going to be alone this week...

 

[The Charlatan]

So the real question is has Brisbane finally won the war?

 

[Captain Apollo]

3. and the key part - no club actually bothered (the Cowboys deal fell through before getting to the crunch if i remember), because he's more trouble than he's worth as an injury prone, bad news prone, washed up 31 year old.

Actually he was running around for the Qld Cup feeder side, and he then asked out of his contract as he wanted to return to Sydney due to an illness in the family - https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/todd-c...r-sydney/ee7395ee-7665-4695-9e4b-8c39138e07a3

Tetevano plead guilty to multiple accounts of assault on his missus then blamed the toxic NRL culture. That's a fair bit worse then having a drinking problem.

Yes, which is why he was sacked by Manly and then served 9 months in prison for it. He then worked on building sites constructing steel frames working 60 hours a week before he went to play football with the Wyong Roos in 2016. It was after all this that the Roosters offered him a 1 year contract for the 2017 season and he had to apply to be re-registered. Fact is off field Tetevano has been a clean skin, and in fact still lives on the Central Coast so that he avoids any problems. As of the end of 2017 he was still doing off season work on building sites - https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...y/news-story/a2bf546794f1d956f3916ed73094d3ba

Hence Tetevano is not a repeat offender and has worked to turn his life around.