Bears Board & Structure

[Growthegame]

I have explained it, twice.

My suggestion is re-reading what I wrote and understanding why I wrote it the way I wrote it.

It’s as official as it’ll get on here.

I didn’t take you to get snarky like this. Very disappointing. I re-read it multiple times before replying

I’m not interested in the way the club may be perceived from different viewpoints.

“ The Perth Bears are not a relocation, not a merger, not an amalgamation, not a takeover, , and not an existing club being granted an NRL license. We are brand new! “ - Ben Morton - Perth Bears Chairman

Well this says to be that it’s not linked at all. Being called “Bears” and playing in red and black means nothing. Just like the multiple Bears clubs from Willagee, Werribee & Burleigh aren’t linked with North Sydney Bears.

Makes me feel this club should have just been called the Reds or Pirates if I’m being honest.

It’s in the constitution.

Well that changes things. Where is this accessible?

if anyone knows what it is it would be @Red&BlackBear his track record on this speaks for itself. lads been right almost every time, not sure if he ever explicitly said it but its clear as day that lads been involved for years on this.

I’m aware and I’m not questioning @Red&BlackBear or his involvement. Just clarifying in conversation for better understanding. I would love to know the wording being used in the constitution and what the process of changing the constitution may involve down the track (is possible at all).

People shouldn’t take being asked questions as an attack.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I didn’t take you to get snarky like this. Very disappointing. I re-read it multiple times before replying

I’m not interested in the way the club may be perceived from different viewpoints.



Well this says to be that it’s not linked at all. Being called “Bears” and playing in red and black means nothing. Just like the multiple Bears clubs from Willagee, Werribee & Burleigh aren’t linked with North Sydney Bears.

Makes me feel this club should have just been called the Reds or Pirates if I’m being honest.



Well that changes things. Where is this accessible?



I’m aware and I’m not questioning @Red&BlackBear or his involvement. Just clarifying in conversation for better understanding. I would love to know the wording being used in the constitution and what the process of changing the constitution may involve down the track (is possible at all).

People shouldn’t take being asked questions as an attack.

It’s not being snarky mate, it was explained twice and twice you couldn’t comprehend it.

Not quite sure how much simpler you want it spelled out?

The constitution is in NRL HQ inside PVL’s office. ARLC commissioners have digital copies. Perth Bears board members have digital copies. Norths have a copy. Perth will have a hard set copy at their HQ office once they are occupied. Anthony has a copy too.

As for your thoughts on what the club should have been called instead of Bears. Cool, good for you but the reason they went with Bears and have the North Sydney connection has been explained ad nauseam.

Best of luck to you.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

It’s not being snarky mate, it was explained twice and twice you couldn’t comprehend it.

Not quite sure how much simpler you want it spelled out?

The constitution is in NRL HQ inside PVL’s office. ARLC commissioners have digital copies. Perth Bears board members have digital copies. Norths have a copy. Perth will have a hard set copy at their HQ office once they are occupied. Anthony has a copy too.

As for your thoughts on what the club should have been called instead of Bears. Cool, good for you but the reason they went with Bears and have the North Sydney connection has been explained ad nauseam.

Best of luck to you.

yeah but in what filing cabinet inside pvl's office is the constitution in? and who is the after hours cleaner at nrl hq? and what sort of bread type does the bears chairman prefer? whole meal or white?

 

[Growthegame]

It’s not being snarky mate, it was explained twice and twice you couldn’t comprehend it.

Not quite sure how much simpler you want it spelled out?

I understand what you were saying. I just don’t believe it answered the root of the actual question. It’s all too ambiguous for mine. Too much “we are everything to everyone” like for mine.

The constitution is in NRL HQ inside PVL’s office. ARLC commissioners have digital copies. Perth Bears board members have digital copies. Norths have a copy. Perth will have a hard set copy at their HQ office once they are occupied. Anthony has a copy too.

When and where will the average fan get a chance to read this? Or at very least when will this be referred to publicly by anyone who holds a copy of it?

As for your thoughts on what the club should have been called instead of Bears. Cool, good for you but the reason they went with Bears and have the North Sydney connection has been explained ad nauseam.

Best of luck to you.

Well that was in response to a direct quote from a Perths Bears official.

Anyway… I am a big supporter of the Perth Bears. I want to see a copy of the constitution to know it for myself. At this stage, all I say to others who ask me is “apparently it’s in the constitution”.

P.s. I’m not trying to be a smartass here. I’m trying to understand the situation the best I can.

 

[Growthegame]

yeah but in what filing cabinet inside pvl's office is the constitution in? and who is the after hours cleaner at nrl hq? and what sort of bread type does the bears chairman prefer? whole meal or white?

Attempted comedy?

 

[SirPies&Beers]

I understand what you were saying. I just don’t believe it answered the root of the actual question. It’s all too ambiguous for mine. Too much “we are everything to everyone” like for mine.


When and where will the average fan get a chance to read this? Or at very least when will this be referred to publicly by anyone who holds a copy of it?



Well that was in response to a direct quote from a Perths Bears official.

Anyway… I am a big supporter of the Perth Bears. I want to see a copy of the constitution to know it for myself. At this stage, all I say to others who ask me is “apparently it’s in the constitution”.

P.s. I’m not trying to be a smartass here. I’m trying to understand the situation the best I can.

Your questions make you sound like a complete muppet cob.
who gives a flying crap about reading the constitution. what difference does it make to ya life? lol is it a bible? will ya life be changed forever more?

and who the heck is gonna ask you anything about the perth bears mate? youre coming across like a little whiny runt. do ya want a technical data sheet or something?

finally no one gives a rats about your opinion on the bears, literally nobody. if youre a fan awesome but move on from such mundane questions. i think between red&blackbear and perthred they answered ya questions threefold.

 

[Growthegame]

Your questions make you sound like a complete muppet cob..

Do you involve yourself in others conversations because no one on this site interacts with you?

Go back to posting links, child. The adults are talking.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Do you involve yourself in others conversations because no one on this site interacts with you?

Go back to posting links, child. The adults are talking.

aw poor little growabrain, the little man who doesnt know how to use a simple search to find stuff so he needs to constantly pout like a little snooty numbnuts

meanwhile im posting links relevant to the topics as it provides the very information you clearly dont know how to search.

here i'll show ya growabrain




Snippet of whats publicly known from it. this was from before board was appointed. so constitution was created prior by ARLC safe to say North Sydney Bears had a massive helping hand. this was already posted in this thread.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/margin-call/perth-bears-constitution-shows-sydney-calls-the-shots-federal-departments-tv-spruiker/news-story/44f4fbbca1015ebcb33db83d3520785a#:~:text=De%20Ceglie's%20business%20plan%20needs,so%20good%20luck%20with%20that.

Perth Bears’ constitution shows Sydney calls the shots;​

Who will really be calling the shots when it comes to the new Perth Bears rugby league franchise? Hint: they live on the opposite side of Australia.
Nick Evans

4 min read
June 18, 2025 - 5:28AM

Perth Bears chief executive Anthony De Ceglie. Picture: Jonathan Ng
There’s nothing West Australians hate more than the idea of being told by the east coast what to do.

Witness the annual wrangling between the states about the national GST carve-up, in which WA usually demands back all the money its residents kick into the national coffers – presumably to pay for WA’s own navy and air force, or something like that.

Few would know this better than the former editor of the state’s daily newspaper, Anthony De Ceglie, newly installed as the CEO of NRL expansion team Perth Bears.

That’s why, despite the fact that the club is owned by the (Sydney-based) NRL, he’s been at pains to dismiss any suggestion that the wrong side of the country will have any say in its running.

“Anyone who is in clubland will tell you it’s impossible for the NRL to be running a club,” De Ceglie told a Sydney newspaper this week. “Pretty soon we’ll be over in Perth which can feel like foreign territory.

“Distance will mean that idea is a complete fallacy. We’ll stand on our own two feet.”
Well, maybe.

A quick look at the Perth Bears’ corporate constitution, lodged with ASIC in late May, suggests the NRL will remain firmly in control of the club’s decision-making for some time to come.

Perth Bears head coach Mal Meninga and chief executive Anthony De Ceglie. Picture: Getty Images

It says the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) – the NRL’s parent body – until 2029 retains the right to hire and fire the club’s coach (currently Mal Meninga).

De Ceglie must get ARLC permission before appointing any new members of his executive team, and the commission will also set their wages and contract length.

De Ceglie’s business plan needs to be signed off by Sydney rugby HQ, as will any future sponsorship deals, along with club branding and logos.

So too will the number and names of any new directors – and the ARLC also retains “discretion as to the number of female directors appointed to the company which is anticipated to be not less (x%),” the constitution says.

Margin Call hopes the ARLC is able to settle on an appropriate percentage ahead of the appointment of any new directors to replace founding board members – and NRL stalwarts all – Graham Annesley, Daniel Dressler and Misha Zelinsky.

Now, it is entirely possible the Perth constitution will get a review when local directors are appointed.

But the constitution also requires ARLC approval before any changes can be made, so good luck with that.

 

[Growthegame]

aw poor little growabrain, the little man who doesnt know how to use a simple search to find stuff so he needs to constantly pout like a little snooty numbnuts

meanwhile im posting links relevant to the topics as it provides the very information you clearly dont know how to search.

here i'll show ya growabrain
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Snippet of whats publicly known from it. this was from before board was appointed. so constitution was created prior by ARLC safe to say North Sydney Bears had a massive helping hand. this was already posted in this thread.

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/margin-call/perth-bears-constitution-shows-sydney-calls-the-shots-federal-departments-tv-spruiker/news-story/44f4fbbca1015ebcb33db83d3520785a#:~:text=De%20Ceglie's%20business%20plan%20needs,so%20good%20luck%20with%20that.

Perth Bears’ constitution shows Sydney calls the shots;​

Who will really be calling the shots when it comes to the new Perth Bears rugby league franchise? Hint: they live on the opposite side of Australia.
Nick Evans

4 min read
June 18, 2025 - 5:28AM

Perth Bears chief executive Anthony De Ceglie. Picture: Jonathan Ng
There’s nothing West Australians hate more than the idea of being told by the east coast what to do.

Witness the annual wrangling between the states about the national GST carve-up, in which WA usually demands back all the money its residents kick into the national coffers – presumably to pay for WA’s own navy and air force, or something like that.

Few would know this better than the former editor of the state’s daily newspaper, Anthony De Ceglie, newly installed as the CEO of NRL expansion team Perth Bears.

That’s why, despite the fact that the club is owned by the (Sydney-based) NRL, he’s been at pains to dismiss any suggestion that the wrong side of the country will have any say in its running.

“Anyone who is in clubland will tell you it’s impossible for the NRL to be running a club,” De Ceglie told a Sydney newspaper this week. “Pretty soon we’ll be over in Perth which can feel like foreign territory.

“Distance will mean that idea is a complete fallacy. We’ll stand on our own two feet.”
Well, maybe.

A quick look at the Perth Bears’ corporate constitution, lodged with ASIC in late May, suggests the NRL will remain firmly in control of the club’s decision-making for some time to come.

Perth Bears head coach Mal Meninga and chief executive Anthony De Ceglie. Picture: Getty Images

It says the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) – the NRL’s parent body – until 2029 retains the right to hire and fire the club’s coach (currently Mal Meninga).

De Ceglie must get ARLC permission before appointing any new members of his executive team, and the commission will also set their wages and contract length.

De Ceglie’s business plan needs to be signed off by Sydney rugby HQ, as will any future sponsorship deals, along with club branding and logos.

So too will the number and names of any new directors – and the ARLC also retains “discretion as to the number of female directors appointed to the company which is anticipated to be not less (x%),” the constitution says.

Margin Call hopes the ARLC is able to settle on an appropriate percentage ahead of the appointment of any new directors to replace founding board members – and NRL stalwarts all – Graham Annesley, Daniel Dressler and Misha Zelinsky.

Now, it is entirely possible the Perth constitution will get a review when local directors are appointed.

But the constitution also requires ARLC approval before any changes can be made, so good luck with that.

There is probably a nicer way to provide a references.

I’m not interested in posts made on this or any forum page. I’m looking for an external reference which permanently connects the new franchise to the history of the North Sydney Bears.

If that hasn’t been made public and/or no official from the Perth Bears, North Sydney Bears or the ARLC have made that public, it is of my opinion that it should be made known. Perhaps that 1 percent of North Sydney Bears fans that Red and Black Bear stated won’t support the new franchise might under those circumstances.

 

[Perth Red]

There is probably a nicer way to provide a references.

I’m not interested in posts made on this or any forum page. I’m looking for an external reference which permanently connects the new franchise to the history of the North Sydney Bears.

If that hasn’t been made public and/or no official from the Perth Bears, North Sydney Bears or the ARLC have made that public, it is of my opinion that it should be made known. Perhaps that 1 percent of North Sydney Bears fans that Red and Black Bear stated won’t support the new franchise might under those circumstances.

There’ll be safeguards in place for NS. They wouldn’t have handed over the brand without it. And rightly so. I’dsuggest it’s why it’s taking so damn long just to come up with a club badge!

 

[Growthegame]

There’ll be safeguards in place for NS. They wouldn’t have handed over the brand without it. And rightly so. I’dsuggest it’s why it’s taking so damn long just to come up with a club badge!

I want to see those safeguards.

 

[Growthegame]

Something funny @Centy Coast ?

 

[Centy Coast]

Something funny @Centy Coast ?

Just all the stupid questions and needing to see proof, just wait and in times these things will be shown to the public.
There are many more important things to be sorted, the Perth Bears have and still organising their front and back offices, now player negotiations and signings will start to happen.
Happening the North Sydney Bears Chairman Daniel Dickson on the Perth Bears Board will guarantee the Bears connection and long term safety, plus there are other Board members involved.
Do you look over your shoulder everywhere you go lol.

 

[Growthegame]

Just all the stupid questions and needing to see proof, just wait and in times these things will be shown to the public.

How do you expect (certain) people to get behind the club without or before all the information is made public?

There are many more important things to be sorted, the Perth Bears have and still organising their front and back offices, now player negotiations and signings will start to happen.

Correct but rrelevant to the conversation that is taking place.

Happening the North Sydney Bears Chairman Daniel Dickson on the Perth Bears Board

wtf does this mean?

Do you look over your shoulder everywhere you go lol.

Why would I?

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I’ve spent a lot of time, money and energy in trying to get the Bears back into the NRL. People with attitudes like yours make me wish I never bothered

 

[Red&BlackBear]

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I’ve spent a lot of time, money and energy in trying to get the Bears back into the NRL. People with attitudes like yours make me wish I never bothered

All due respect, I find this statement very hard to believe.

If you did then you’d be privy to the very information you’re asking.

@Centy Coast has been at the coal face for multiple Bears bids for almost 2 decades. His attitude has always and will always continue to be great.

 

[Growthegame]

I’m aware of Centy Coasts contributions in past attempts.

Not everyone who’s had involvement has had the privilege of seeing the Perth Bears constitution. All I’m asking is that a current official makes a public statement confirming this so more current and former North Sydney Bears fans can has no qualms about fully committing to this new franchise. Something more official than a select group of insiders posting under aliases on a forum page. I don’t think that’s unreasonable in the slightest.

Thank you for your contribution in getting information out to the fans that use this forum page.

 

[Perth Red]

I want to see those safeguards.

Might have to wait a few years. Vlandys has said it will eventually become a members owned club. At that point everything will become public. Unlikely everything will be available until then.

 

[Growthegame]

Might have to wait a few years. Vlandys has said it will eventually become a members owned club. At that point everything will become public. Unlikely everything will be available until then.

That’s really disappointing if true. I believe fans should have the information before the first season.

 

[wb2027]

Its means exactly as it states.
@Perth Red sees the Bears as something new.
@wb2027 sees the Bears as a continuation.
@Centy Coast might see the Bears as a combination of the above

For the record, my stance has since shifted and is now shrouded in scepticism. I saw it as a continuation based on the consistent communication Norths members got over the years of multiple AGM's, over what was and wasn't important for them to retain if the cost was giving up the home, and the responses given to them at the time were about how the ARLC were on board with all of it. Personally, I'm not content with the subjective model where perception is in the eye of the beholder if the lineage is broken. I don't want to count chickens, but a lot of the language has left me with a bad taste about what to expect.

 

[Perth Red]

For the record, my stance has since shifted and is now shrouded in scepticism. I saw it as a continuation based on the consistent communication Norths members got over the years of multiple AGM's, over what was and wasn't important for them to retain if the cost was giving up the home, and the responses given to them at the time were about how the ARLC were on board with all of it. Personally, I'm not content with the subjective model where perception is in the eye of the beholder if the lineage is broken. I don't want to count chickens, but a lot of the language has left me with a bad taste about what to expect.

Its more a dotted line! If NS had moved lock stock and barrel to Perth and no longer existed at any level in NSW then it'd be a clear and direct line. As it is NS still exist so the solid line is still with whatever the NSFC do in Sydney. The line to Perth is a dotted relational one to a brand new club in a new location sharing the Bears brand and pathways.