Beatie has a plan

[Stallion]

Bottom line is if a club cannot afford to exist in a national competition including Perth and Brisbane 2 then they should fall away.

Bottom line is not the be all and end all. Measure clubs on youth development numbers, fan bases, social chatter and interest. Sport is cultural. Profit making is a bonus and a worthy pursuit but should not define existence. The code of rugby league is much more than that . It positively impacts so many realms of society that the codes real worth is cheapened by just a profit measure. It's more than that. It's memories. It's developing young kids. It's making people connect. It's also enjoyment. And more.

 

[T-Boon]

Bottom line is not the be all and end all.

We have to jolt these Sydney clubs out of the comfort zone they are in. They have such a fear of death that they aren't living. I'd rather have clubs that are thriving and driving into the future than these clubs that seem to be happy with being mediocre just to keep their soft fan bases happy.

 

[T-Boon]

Beattie should treat these clubs like they are school children. Like run a "break even 101" course.
Lesson 1: revenue $10m?...dont spend $12 mill.....spend $10mill.
Lesson 2: how to spend $10mil not $12m. See the 3 defensive coaches you have? get rid of one of them and cut the wage for the other 2.
Lesson 3: how to increase revenue.

 

[Stallion]

We have to jolt these Sydney clubs out of the comfort zone they are in. They have such a fear of death that they aren't living. I'd rather have clubs that are thriving and driving into the future than these clubs that seem to be happy with being mediocre just to keep their soft fan bases happy.

Understand what you are alluding to. Those 'criteria ' as in junior numbers, crowd figures, overall fanbase numbers , social chatter and tv popularity all can improve the code and as an extra benefit create more income. These elements would get the apathetic /lazy clubs off their slumber. And yes a number of clubs have clearly neglected their areas in many ways like junior development and catering for fans for value and a sense of belonging through loyalty. If those criteria are prioritised in importance for existence then thats proactive for the sport going forward. For instance the Roosters basically regarding their own area as too difficult should be proactively approached, and made into an area for strong junior rugbyleague. Not abandoned it and day its too hard. Growing the game, and its a great game, in your catchment area should not be a 'too hard basket' cop-out. The code deserves better. Expand with additional clubs by all means. Grow the game where it has been strong before should be a priority as well!

 

[T-Boon]

For instance the Roosters basically regarding their own area as too difficult should be proactively approached, and made into an area for strong junior rugbyleague. Not abandoned it and day its too hard. Growing the game, and its a great game, in your catchment area should not be a 'too hard basket' cop-out. The code deserves better. Expand with additional clubs by all means. Grow the game where it has been strong before should be a priority as well!

Exactly. The Roosters are a prime example.
It is an embarrassment to the code that they are the number 3 team in their area and RL is the 3rd code.

The first thing they need to do (and this should be as easy as ABC) is get their players elocution lessons. It is a complete dereliction of duties over their on the Eastern Suburbs to have what is arguably the dumbest sounding RL team trying to compete with those well spoken gentlemen of the Rugby Union and the AFL.
Is it a bit of a wank? absolutely. But they are wankers on the Eastern Suburbs. Their players need to be able to speak like Daly Cherry Evans not that droll "I dropped out of school in year 3" type language that players like Ferguson, Maloney, Pearce, Cordner speak in.
Nothing would ostracise that population over there more than the way those Roosters players talk. You might not be private school educated but if you want to represent the Eastern Suburbs you should speak like you have been.

 

[Canard]

Two alts talking back and forth.

 

[Spot On]

T Boon makes a valid point. The gap in ability to speak well and say something of substance between league players and players in other codes when giving interviews is huge.

Cringe worthy stuff unfortunately.

 

[Stallion]

Exactly. The Roosters are a prime example.
It is an embarrassment to the code that they are the number 3 team in their area and RL is the 3rd code.

The first thing they need to do (and this should be as easy as ABC) is get their players elocution lessons. It is a complete dereliction of duties over their on the Eastern Suburbs to have what is arguably the dumbest sounding RL team trying to compete with those well spoken gentlemen of the Rugby Union and the AFL.
Is it a bit of a wank? absolutely. But they are wankers on the Eastern Suburbs. Their players need to be able to speak like Daly Cherry Evans not that droll "I dropped out of school in year 3" type language that players like Ferguson, Maloney, Pearce, Cordner speak in.
Nothing would austrosize that population over there more than the way those Roosters players talk. You might not be private school educated but if you want to represent the Eastern Suburbs you should speak like you have been.

On that note. I think it may be a different education set up in Queensland. Not sure. But I've heard of a Confroternity Shield whereby all schools (public and private) participate in rugby league ? This does not happen in NSW. Perhaps given that most of rugby league's well spoken players like Daly Cherry Evans and Cooper Cronk have enjoyed rugby league through that? THE NSWRL needs to break the private school barrier and maybe a school wide competition sponsored appropriately with prize funding going to achieving schools could help. Atm jack shit is being done!
I know "leaguetag " is making a big impression in Newcastle primary schools. In fact whispers that ladies AFL which had started 5 to ten years ago, is now struggling for players as ladies leaguetag which started only two years ago is taking over.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Agree with every being said here. But I'd go a little further.

Every kid over 3 years old should be sent to boarding school and forced to play rugby league and support the game. If they don't transport them to Antarctica.

 

[T-Boon]

T Boon makes a valid point. The gap in ability to speak well and say something of substance between league players and players in other codes when giving interviews is huge.

Cringe worthy stuff unfortunately.

I consider it to be one of the most under rated factors in the games stagnation and the aggravating thing is how unnecessary it is.

Really, why make the game safer on the field for mums or force the players to behave better off the field or try to go along with the tide regarding equality and womens game and then just ignore this issue.

 

[Stallion]

I consider it to be one of the most under rated factors in the games stagnation and the aggravating thing is how unnecessary it is.

Really, why make the game safer on the field for mums or force the players to behave better off the field or try to go along with the tide regarding equality and womens game and then just ignore this issue.

Ultimately its the education of our players. The exclusion of rugby league by elite private schools is impacting on the code. Remembering all codes have access in the public and Catholic schools in general. Rugby league is the only code that is still denied in elite private schooling in NSW.

 

[T-Boon]

On that note. I think it may be a different education set up in Queensland. Not sure. But I've heard of a Confroternity Shield whereby all schools (public and private) participate in rugby league ? This does not happen in NSW. Perhaps given that most of rugby league's well spoken players like Daly Cherry Evans and Cooper Cronk have enjoyed rugby league through that? THE NSWRL needs to break the private school barrier and maybe a school wide competition sponsored appropriately with prize funding going to achieving schools could help. Atm jack shit is being done!

Thats another issue with hard to grasp solutions. Talking proper is simple, you dont need to go to private schools to talk proper. The clubs need to get the f**k on top of this.

 

[Stallion]

Thats another issue with hard to grasp solutions. Talking proper is simple, you dont need to go to private schools to talk proper. The clubs need to get the f**k on top of this.

I agree it can be 'taped over' however you do agree thats where the issue stems from.? I was from middle class background in a working class town so all codes were played at my school. Through local proximity I ended up playing rugbyleague and cricket. (Fields across the road) Glad I did. Otherwise I would have been playing soccer for my sports career path.

 

[T-Boon]

Ultimately its the education of our players. The exclusion of rugby league by elite private schools is impacting on the code. Remembering all codes have access in the public and Catholic schools in general. Rugby league is the only code that is still denied in elite private schooling in NSW.

NO IT IS NOT.
It is a cultural thing within rugby league clubs. In fact Mitchell Pearce went to a private school. He sounded pretty normal Australian as an 18 year old but within a couple of years of NRL culture he sounded like a frog trying to talk dothraki.
Another example is Israel Folau. He spoke dothraki as a league player and then a couple of years in Rugby via AFL and he now speaks fairly polished english.
It is very fixable.

 

[Stallion]

NO IT IS NOT.
It is a cultural thing within rugby league clubs. In fact Mitchell Pearce went to a private school. He sounded pretty normal Australian as an 18 year old but within a couple of years of NRL culture he sounded like a frog trying to talk dothraki.
Another example is Israel Folau. He spoke dothraki as a league player and then a couple of years in Rugby via AFL and he now speaks fairly polished english.
It is very fixable.

Yes. Ive noted that. Well spotted. I would suggest schooling background reinforces a way to speak. Seriously you look at Folau speak and its plainly not natural to him. It’s contrived and doing what his masters want. That's not the Folau we know and he knows this too. Yes they can adjust the way of speaking but it has alot to with both culture and schooling. Eliminate the issue from the start. Rugby league should have just as much access as the other codes in all schools!

 

[T-Boon]

I agree it can be 'taped over' however you do agree thats where the issue stems from.?

It can't be denied that League has a working class background and is not played in GPS rugby schools. But kids come out of most high schools in Australia talking fairly normal.
Changing the culture starts with the coaches in my opinion. They talk relatively dumb for their positions as well. Clean it out.

 

[T-Boon]

Yes. Ive noted that. Well spotted. I would suggest schooling background reinforces a way to speak. Seriously you look at Folau speak and its plainly nit natural to him. Its contrived and doing what his masters want. That's not the Folau we know and he knows this too. Yes they can adjust the way of speaking but it has alot to with both culture and schooling. Eliminate the issue from the start. Rugby league should have just as much access as the other codes in all schools!

Agreed.
But are you saying if we can't get RL into GPS schools then we should forget about trying to get players to speak good?
Because what I am saying is even if we can't get GPS schools to play Rugby League we should still press ahead and give the players the same elocution lessons that Rugby obviously gave Israel Folau.

 

[Disinterested third party]

Exactly. The Roosters are a prime example.
It is an embarrassment to the code that they are the number 3 team in their area and RL is the 3rd code.

The first thing they need to do (and this should be as easy as ABC) is get their players elocution lessons. It is a complete dereliction of duties over their on the Eastern Suburbs to have what is arguably the dumbest sounding RL team trying to compete with those well spoken gentlemen of the Rugby Union and the AFL.
Is it a bit of a wank? absolutely. But they are wankers on the Eastern Suburbs. Their players need to be able to speak like Daly Cherry Evans not that droll "I dropped out of school in year 3" type language that players like Ferguson, Maloney, Pearce, Cordner speak in.
Nothing would austrosize that population over there more than the way those Roosters players talk. You might not be private school educated but if you want to represent the Eastern Suburbs you should speak like you have been.

Austrosize - you gimp

 

[T-Boon]

Austrosize - you gimp

thanks, fixed. I've used that word about twice my whole life.

 

[Stallion]

Agreed.
But are you saying if we can't get RL into GPS schools then we should forget about trying to get players to speak good?
Because what I am saying is even if we can't get GPS schools to play Rugby League we should still press ahead and give the players the same elocution lessons that Rugby obviously gave Israel Folau.

Agree with that. However the systemic issue is the elite private school lack of presence. Remembering other codes deemed "working class" origins like "AFL"(although it was a training run for cricketers) get such access. Our sport needs to be totally inclusive. That's probably why AFL seem to get all the favours at the big end of town. Other codes have access and never did in years gone by. It's time rugby league and society in total got its fair share of rugby league. After all its undeniably a supreme sports code. It just needs an even playing field from schools upwards. Let the kids decide! Or have a chance anyway.