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Dave Taylor discussion is another thread...........
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"A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist" - Sir Humphrey Appleby.
In some places, yeah, it is easy to get around, like Sydney or any other city. The traffic while trying to get to the rest of the city is equally horrible.
6 years in Melbourne, 8 in Sydney.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...p-rugby-league-expansion-20180201-h0ryjc.html
Plays of the week
If former Queensland premier Peter Beattie wishes to woo Sydney clubs to support him as the incoming chairman of the Australian Rugby League Commission, he ignored local politics when he recently talked up expansion.
Fifteen of the NRL's 16 clubs posted a loss last year, if grants from the 10 clubs with licensed club backing and others reliant on benefactors are excluded from total revenue. Seven of the clubs depending on poker machine income are in Sydney, where teams would presumably be culled if expansion is to occur. Sydney clubs, except Wests Tigers, are now demonstrating a rare unity, opting to vote as a bloc at a recent phone hook-up to appoint two club delegates to a new 10-person ARLC.
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While Beattie, who now lives in Balmain, merely needs the votes of the independent commissioners of the ARLC to be elected chairman, he has indicated he would prefer the NRL clubs to support him.
Based on the hostility expressed by some Sydney club powerbrokers to Beattie's "if we stagnate, we die" cry in a recent interview, he will need to reinforce the message that expansion will only occur well after the current broadcasting deal expires.
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The outgoing ARLC chairman, John Grant, has negotiated a new funding model that should secure most clubs' futures, provided they adhere to a $5.7 million cap on football department spending.
But some clubs, particularly the Bulldogs, Eels, Panthers, Dragons and Wests Tigers, will continue to depend on their poker machine-generated licensed club grants.
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An alarming statistic was presented at a conference of NSW licensed clubs in 2016, which was derived from a census taken the previous year.
In the last 15 years the number of machine players has reduced by 36 per cent. Of those:
* Only 6 per cent of gaming revenue comes from people under the age of 35;
* More than 60 per cent of revenue comes from people over the age of 60;
* The majority of large clubs are totally reliant on gaming profits.
The data is now three years old and, since then, revenue from poker machines played by young people has further deteriorated, while there has been no growth from more senior age groups. Some Sydney clubs expect to announce a decline in revenue on last year of up to $2 million.
Young people now eschew the pokies to gamble on sport and horse racing, using their iPhones and tablets.
They prefer contests of skill, such as predicting the first scorer or beating the points spread, rather than games of chance.
If only 6 per cent of the age group 18-35 currently play the pokies, by the time they reach 60, no one will be gaming, as opposed to gambling.
Grant argues subsidies from licensed clubs should be counted in total rugby league revenue because these clubs were formed to propagate the code.
Furthermore, headlines such as "15 of 16 clubs broke" is, as he says, a "bad look" and sends a poor message to prospective stakeholders.
But the Broncos are the only club that have consistently produced a profit and they enjoy, of course, the advantage of being one team in one major city with the best rectangular stadium in Australia. The other 15 clubs rely on licensed venues or rich benefactors to subsidise losses.
Given the precarious balance sheets of the free-to-air TV networks and the monopoly position of Foxtel as a pay-TV provider, the next broadcasting deal for the NRL won't be an 80 per cent increase of the 2018-2022 contract.
The last time the game expanded – three clubs were introduced in 1995 – it fuelled inflation in salaries, with retired players unretiring to receive the largest pay cheques they had ever been paid.
Expansion ignited the Super League war, which further fuelled inflation, leading to the closure of the Adelaide Rams, Hunter Mariners and South Queensland Crushers, while Perth now field junior teams in the NSWRL competition and North Sydney play in the NSW Cup. Another four clubs collapsed to form two joint ventures.
While some commentators argue there are enough first-graders in the NRL to field another two teams, I believe up to three of the starting players at some clubs are short of the desired standard.
Beattie has indicated expansion will come from successful second-tier clubs and mentions Perth, Fiji, Country NSW, PNG, another New Zealand team, as well as Ipswich and Redcliffe.
None of these teams are represented in the NSW Cup, while PNG, Ipswich and Redcliffe play in the Queensland Cup.
Perth has a new stadium, adds an additional time zone for broadcasters and could capture disenfranchised rugby union fans. But it does not have a State Cup team.
While Beattie is right to send a signal to State Cup teams that they are candidates for inclusion in the NRL, they will have to wait until a Sydney club falls over well into the 2023-27 broadcast cycle before they can win a start.
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/posts/12667406/http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...p-rugby-league-expansion-20180201-h0ryjc.html
Plays of the week
If former Queensland premier Peter Beattie wishes to woo Sydney clubs to support him as the incoming chairman of the Australian Rugby League Commission, he ignored local politics when he recently talked up expansion.
Fifteen of the NRL's 16 clubs posted a loss last year, if grants from the 10 clubs with licensed club backing and others reliant on benefactors are excluded from total revenue. Seven of the clubs depending on poker machine income are in Sydney, where teams would presumably be culled if expansion is to occur. Sydney clubs, except Wests Tigers, are now demonstrating a rare unity, opting to vote as a bloc at a recent phone hook-up to appoint two club delegates to a new 10-person ARLC.
Advertisement
While Beattie, who now lives in Balmain, merely needs the votes of the independent commissioners of the ARLC to be elected chairman, he has indicated he would prefer the NRL clubs to support him.
Based on the hostility expressed by some Sydney club powerbrokers to Beattie's "if we stagnate, we die" cry in a recent interview, he will need to reinforce the message that expansion will only occur well after the current broadcasting deal expires.
RELATED ARTICLE
Tuivasa-Sheck's agent rubbishes report of NZ Rugby deal
The outgoing ARLC chairman, John Grant, has negotiated a new funding model that should secure most clubs' futures, provided they adhere to a $5.7 million cap on football department spending.
But some clubs, particularly the Bulldogs, Eels, Panthers, Dragons and Wests Tigers, will continue to depend on their poker machine-generated licensed club grants.
- terms and conditions and privacy policy.
An alarming statistic was presented at a conference of NSW licensed clubs in 2016, which was derived from a census taken the previous year.
In the last 15 years the number of machine players has reduced by 36 per cent. Of those:
* Only 6 per cent of gaming revenue comes from people under the age of 35;
* More than 60 per cent of revenue comes from people over the age of 60;
* The majority of large clubs are totally reliant on gaming profits.
The data is now three years old and, since then, revenue from poker machines played by young people has further deteriorated, while there has been no growth from more senior age groups. Some Sydney clubs expect to announce a decline in revenue on last year of up to $2 million.
Young people now eschew the pokies to gamble on sport and horse racing, using their iPhones and tablets.
They prefer contests of skill, such as predicting the first scorer or beating the points spread, rather than games of chance.
If only 6 per cent of the age group 18-35 currently play the pokies, by the time they reach 60, no one will be gaming, as opposed to gambling.
Grant argues subsidies from licensed clubs should be counted in total rugby league revenue because these clubs were formed to propagate the code.
Furthermore, headlines such as "15 of 16 clubs broke" is, as he says, a "bad look" and sends a poor message to prospective stakeholders.
But the Broncos are the only club that have consistently produced a profit and they enjoy, of course, the advantage of being one team in one major city with the best rectangular stadium in Australia. The other 15 clubs rely on licensed venues or rich benefactors to subsidise losses.
Given the precarious balance sheets of the free-to-air TV networks and the monopoly position of Foxtel as a pay-TV provider, the next broadcasting deal for the NRL won't be an 80 per cent increase of the 2018-2022 contract.
The last time the game expanded – three clubs were introduced in 1995 – it fuelled inflation in salaries, with retired players unretiring to receive the largest pay cheques they had ever been paid.
Expansion ignited the Super League war, which further fuelled inflation, leading to the closure of the Adelaide Rams, Hunter Mariners and South Queensland Crushers, while Perth now field junior teams in the NSWRL competition and North Sydney play in the NSW Cup. Another four clubs collapsed to form two joint ventures.
While some commentators argue there are enough first-graders in the NRL to field another two teams, I believe up to three of the starting players at some clubs are short of the desired standard.
Beattie has indicated expansion will come from successful second-tier clubs and mentions Perth, Fiji, Country NSW, PNG, another New Zealand team, as well as Ipswich and Redcliffe.
None of these teams are represented in the NSW Cup, while PNG, Ipswich and Redcliffe play in the Queensland Cup.
Perth has a new stadium, adds an additional time zone for broadcasters and could capture disenfranchised rugby union fans. But it does not have a State Cup team.
While Beattie is right to send a signal to State Cup teams that they are candidates for inclusion in the NRL, they will have to wait until a Sydney club falls over well into the 2023-27 broadcast cycle before they can win a start.
