Ben Hunt

[mave]

Commented on the same point in another thread.

Haters gonna hate.

Haters can choke on my dk.

Cherry can catch =))

 

[_Johnsy]

Signing with Saints?

Looks like Ben has dropped the ball on this one.

Yep signing a "reported" 1 million $ a year contract, i see exactly what you mean.

 

[_Johnsy]

Cherry gets $millions.....booooo!
Hunt gets $millions......yay!!!!!

LU logic strikes again.


Good luck Dragons btw =)

I don't think you'll find much yay, it's more optimistic caution.

Bottom line is if the player is offered a bucketload of $$ you'd take it.

 

[mave]

I don't think you'll find much yay, it's more optimistic caution.

Bottom line is if the player is offered a bucketload of $$ you'd take it.

No doubt about taking the $$$,,,, although the LU hypocrisy is both amusing, yet unsurprising.

 

[_Johnsy]

No doubt about taking the $$$,,,, although the LU hypocrisy is both amusing, yet unsurprising.

100%, As I said with BH it's more optimistic caution than excitement. Won't be as bad as the Sandow 2.2 mill over 4 years or Hoppas 800k per year in 2011. No-one handles contract negotiations quite like the matta.

 

[Hutty1986]

So now can we get Ash Taylor back jeez

Hunt was a dud he can't kick and goes to water when it matters

Sucess is now guaranteed-congratulations Ben and Saints.

 

[Nice Beaver]

Haters can choke on my dk.

Cherry can catch =))

100%

The number of imbeciles on here who carried on like pork chops and continue to death ride DCE is borderline infatuation.

With these million dollar contracts becoming more common, maybe some panties will begin to untwist. Then again....maybe not.

 

[blaza88z]

100%

The number of imbeciles on here who carried on like pork chops and continue to death ride DCE is borderline infatuation.

With these million dollar contracts becoming more common, maybe some panties will begin to untwist. Then again....maybe not.

Without knowing what sort of increase in the cap is forthcoming, what if say.. in 2 years, 1 million per year is the standard for a quality half, will all these blokes locked away on long-term contracts have a way to get more?

 

[Nice Beaver]

Without knowing what sort of increase in the cap is forthcoming, what if say.. in 2 years, 1 million per year is the standard for a quality half, will all these blokes locked away on long-term contracts have a way to get more?

I would not imagine so.

You want guaranteed multi million dollar security, it would come with some sort of trade off.

In saying that, I am sure some contracts would have a cap increase clause.....would be iinteresting to hear how managers are handling that.

 

[AJB1102]

Without knowing what sort of increase in the cap is forthcoming, what if say.. in 2 years, 1 million per year is the standard for a quality half, will all these blokes locked away on long-term contracts have a way to get more?

That is the only potential upside to a 5yr deal. That while years 1-2 might be a bit overs, 3-5 he'll be on par or even unders.

Still think Saints get their man with same deal over 3 years but with less risk.

If BH is QLD Origin and Aus half in 3yrs on $1M a season while others are buying halves at $1.5+ then its good times.

The NRL really should be copping way more of a kick up the bum than they are by not knowing what the salary cap will be in 12 months time. They really seems to making it all up on the run and its pathetic.

Off topic a bit and I am a Sharks fan so take it how you will but just look at the Ben Barba situation. It shouldn't be a big thing to work out what games count toward his suspension or when he's allowed back at training. They have a 2nd strike 12 game ban policy but still there is confusion over whether the 9's, WCC & trials count and it seems he'll only be allowed to resume training at some arbitrary time closer to the end of his ban. This is because he's not had a playing contract registered again yet there a plenty who train with footy sides who don't have a contract whether they're a guy like Foran at the Warriors or a sportsman from another code altogether running around with the boys.

Leadership is at an all time low.

 

[soc123_au]

We

Dragons dropped the ball, cause no way Ben Hunt is worth six million. Now Karmichael Hunt or Jonathan Thurston, I wouldn't have mind if the Panthers paid one of them six million.

We released Josh Hall Pugz. I don't think we need any more ex AFL players.

 

[AJB1102]

I would not imagine so.

You want guaranteed multi million dollar security, it would come with some sort of trade off.

In saying that, I am sure some contracts would have a cap increase clause.....would be iinteresting to hear how managers are handling that.

Wasn't DCE on a pissant, signed from QLD Cup contract and kicked up a bit of a stink once he'd hit the ground running, won a comp and played for QLD (maybe even Aus)?

 

[Nice Beaver]

Wasn't DCE on a pissant, signed from QLD Cup contract and kicked up a bit of a stink once he'd hit the ground running, won a comp and played for QLD (maybe even Aus)?

Both DCE and Foran asked for contract uupgrades in 2012 I think.

What's your point? That stuff goes on with plenty of players from all clubs.

 

[AJB1102]

Both DCE and Foran asked for contract uupgrades in 2012 I think.

What's your point? That stuff goes on with plenty of players from all clubs.

No real point mate just a thought stemming from your's and blazza's convo about guys who are signed on X amount then get really good and renegotiate bigger deals to reflect their goodness.

I guess that could take out of the equation what I said about if BH was on $1M while other halves were going for $1.5M+ that it works in the Club's favour that way.

Different scenario to coming into a side from QCup like DCE on minimum $$ and then excelling to rep footy and wanting a bump up but still sorta the same. BH isn't a rep player as yet, if he fires and by yr3 blokes like McCrone are on 900K+ due to cap increases can he go back to the negotiating table?

 

[blaza88z]

No real point mate just a thought stemming from your's and blazza's convo about guys who are signed on X amount then get really good and renegotiate bigger deals to reflect their goodness.

I guess that could take out of the equation what I said about if BH was on $1M while other halves were going for $1.5M+ that it works in the Club's favour that way.

Different scenario to coming into a side from QCup like DCE on minimum $$ and then excelling to rep footy and wanting a bump up but still sorta the same. BH isn't a rep player as yet, if he fires and by yr3 blokes like McCrone are on 900K+ due to cap increases can he go back to the negotiating table?

He played a couple of games off the bench for Australia (come on late in the 2nd half of each game from memory), I noticed in the Dragons media release today confirming the signing they were pretty quick to mention they wanted a player who had played at the highest level. If he didn't play at that level, I wonder would that have effected how much they were willing to offer?

I don't like these long term deals, it's just so hard for a player to remain motivated for that period of time, I am an NHL fan and it's common in the NHL to lock players up in 10 year contracts, it doesn't usually end up well in that league either. He's a good player no doubt, 1 million dollars a year for 5 years? Not sure if he's THAT good.

 

[POPEYE]

Give Ben the benefit of the doubt, if his father's well being depends on his secure playing future so be it. Dragons' supporters need to be as positive as Ben hopes to be, negativity is the real enemy

 

[JamesRustle]

Doust: Last time we won the comp we had Ben Hornby at HB so I figured Benji Marshall would be a great replacement.... geez I should have made him drop the "ji" and we would have been premiers in '15 or '16... hey, let's get Ben Hunt and get back on top... I'm a bloody genius!!!

 

[no name]

Give Ben the benefit of the doubt, if his father's well being depends on his secure playing future so be it. Dragons' supporters need to be as positive as Ben hopes to be, negativity is the real enemy

The Dragons supporters would have to be happy with eggs Benny.
Great poach.

 

[jaseg]

No real point mate just a thought stemming from your's and blazza's convo about guys who are signed on X amount then get really good and renegotiate bigger deals to reflect their goodness.

I guess that could take out of the equation what I said about if BH was on $1M while other halves were going for $1.5M+ that it works in the Club's favour that way.

Different scenario to coming into a side from QCup like DCE on minimum $$ and then excelling to rep footy and wanting a bump up but still sorta the same. BH isn't a rep player as yet, if he fires and by yr3 blokes like McCrone are on 900K+ due to cap increases can he go back to the negotiating table?

Difference is DCE had bargaining power - he was young and Manly wanted to keep him long term.. so they were willing to give him an early upgrade if it involved an extension, I'm guessing - Ben Hunt will be what, 32? 33? by the end of this deal... if he wants an upgrade to match cap/performances, he better put clauses in this contract because it ain't likely to be forthcoming any other way.

 

[mxlegend99]

The salary cap would need to go up a hell of a lot more than $10m per season for even the best players in the game to demand more than what Hunt is on.

Only the top few players in the game are worth 10%+ of the salary cap.

You cant pay a solid player 10% of the salary cap while guys who are just as good or possibly even better earn half that. Thats the sort of thing that makes them look elsewhere.

Edit
When/if the cap hits $12m. I think thats when you start to get in line with what Hunt would be worth on 2015 form. If it goes up to $14m or so by the end of his contract... Dragons will be getting rewarded for the gamble.

But really its a huge gamble since the cap may max out at $10m per season.

Edit 2
A big reason I dont think he will ever be worth it is mainly the fact that you should have full confidence in your star player to be able to win you the game when the scores are locked up.

Thurston. Cronk/Smith. These guys step up when a game is on the line more often than not. Hunt really isn't reliable in that situation and until he is I dont think he's worth the elite money. He doesnt seem to be a pressure player.

The next year will be interesting. One week he might look worth it. The next he might have Dragons fans cursing the signing... the joys of signing a player a year in advance.