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Ben Kennedy is a disgraceful dog

bartman

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Not sure, they played last years tri-nations final at Elland Rd in Leeds instead.

Could well have been a Crocker-Kennedy incident at Headingley during training though!
 

Hellsy

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Cool.. I mean you are quite obviously safe but I was just checking.

I have friends over there at the moment, who shouldn't be in London but I dunno....
 

Bigfella

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The thing that really irks me about this is how outspoken Ricky Stewart has been on this issue and how hypocritical he has been in recent times when he needed a win and his sides have benefitted from it. When Shane Wlaker did it against Rossters he called him every name under the sun and questioned his integrity. Walker is the only player I have heard admit to taking a dive (he cracked gags about suffering from ADD and post-traumatic stress). When it happened in Roosters v Parra and NSW Ricky turns the thing on its head and says "Cayless is tough. Kennedy is tough"> That is not in question, but it is also not the point. The fact is there is an advantage to be gained by teams by doing it, so they will. The LEague has to immediately reign in the practice. If a referee does not penalise, and a player stays down, the penalty sghould only be given for a most serious act of undetected foul play, not technical high tackles like the Kennedy incident, and to a lesser extent the Morrison one. The rpractice began when players were losing the ball in tackles where they were hit by illegal tackles missed by the ref. It has changed now to the point where players are staying down if they think there is any chance of a penalty. The purpose and intent of the rule has been subverted completely. I have lost a lot of respect for Ricky, who I admire a lot, over his hypocrisy. I have defended his parochialism and his passion in speaking out about issues - but if he is only going to do so in self interest he will lose me completely.
 
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Bigfella said:
The thing that really irks me about this is how outspoken Ricky Stewart has been on this issue and how hypocritical he has been in recent times when he needed a win and his sides have benefitted from it. When Shane Wlaker did it against Rossters he called him every name under the sun and questioned his integrity. Walker is the only player I have heard admit to taking a dive (he cracked gags about suffering from ADD and post-traumatic stress). When it happened in Roosters v Parra and NSW Ricky turns the thing on its head and says "Cayless is tough. Kennedy is tough"> That is not in question, but it is also not the point. The fact is there is an advantage to be gained by teams by doing it, so they will. The LEague has to immediately reign in the practice. If a referee does not penalise, and a player stays down, the penalty sghould only be given for a most serious act of undetected foul play, not technical high tackles like the Kennedy incident, and to a lesser extent the Morrison one. The rpractice began when players were losing the ball in tackles where they were hit by illegal tackles missed by the ref. It has changed now to the point where players are staying down if they think there is any chance of a penalty. The purpose and intent of the rule has been subverted completely. I have lost a lot of respect for Ricky, who I admire a lot, over his hypocrisy. I have defended his parochialism and his passion in speaking out about issues - but if he is only going to do so in self interest he will lose me completely.

I agree with everything you say Bigfella and think it will be a blight on our game until the admin fixes it.

Or can it be fixed, without interference from the NRL, by the coaches...it seems to be working for us.

Once again, in the word of our coach....."I don't like it!"
 
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I agree that the NRL needs to do something about it

If it is there, it will be used.............this is more a reflection of the integrity of those who partake in the practice - both players and coaches. It takes a man to stand up and play the ball after being smacked, whereas it takes a pansy to lay down and look for a penalty.
 

Macca_

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Yep, they need to take out the option. If the onfield ref misses something, don't let the video intervene. That's stops players doing it.

While I agree HJ that the player should get up and play the ball, I don't feel they are soft or are a pansy... Soley because they are taking advantage of a rule to win a penatly for their side. I'd like to see them get up and get on with it, but if the rule allows it, I'm happy to see them take a penalty. Afterall, they were hit in the head in the first place...

Macca_
 
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A real man gets up and shows the offender that he is going to have to do more than a high shot to keep him down.

Like I said, character and integrity are whats at stake in these situations, and I have said it a thousand times before (for example with our less than successful late-80s, early-90s sides) that, to me, integrity and character are far more important than winning or losing.

So you may end up a winner, but you still end up less of a man.
 

Macca_

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Hollywood Jesus said:
A real man gets up and shows the offender that he is going to have to do more than a high shot to keep him down.

Like I said, character and integrity are whats at stake in these situations, and I have said it a thousand times before (for example with our less than successful late-80s, early-90s sides) that, to me, integrity and character are far more important than winning or losing.

So you may end up a winner, but you still end up less of a man.

Playing by the rules and exploiting them in this situation does not make the player less of a man. Sport isn't entirely about winning but it is one of the main reasons people compete in sport. If earning a penalty by staying down because the ref missed a high shot helps to achieve this and it is with-in the rules, then there is no problem with it.

We'll agree to disagree :D

Macca_
 

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