Bennett's snubbing of McGregor

[zombiebloodlust]

Ronnie Palmer is Penrith S&C. He must be just as bad as Mary. Too many injuries at Penrith.....

Your kidding aren't you blaming Mary for injuries. You do realise NRL is a full contact sport with many collisions so injuries will happen no matter who you are. Especially if you have a surname STANLEY.

You're right. Mary is just wonderful

 

[St Georgio]

Omg i hate this article, Mr Rugby League God Bennett will unleash his fury upon us!!!!!!!!

Saints 22 Broncos 0 half time.
Saints 22 Broncos 22 full time.
Saints 22 Broncos 23 Golden Point.
Bennett Chuckles like Clint Eastwood.

 

[The Nick]

injuries were far higher than other clubs, and also at the time the dragons had an excessive amount of knee and hamstring injuries sustained by players.. such consistencies indicate something amiss with the training and conditioning plan rather than just bad luck. (although i am not a doctor, just applying some logic like everyone else who has also come to the same conclusion

But what we have here is a correlation, not a forgone conclusion that Mary's methods were directly responsible.

Yes we had a horror injury run and yes Mary was the S&C coach at the time, but to suggest that Mary's methods were directly responsible is pure speculation and I'm yet to see any factual or scientific basis whatsoever to conclusively link the 2 factors.

I'm not dismissing the fact that Mary's methods may have played a part, but I'm not claiming that they did, either.

 

[The Nick]

It could be anything, its impossible to say without seeing the training, preparation, recovery and conditioning methods employed by each. There was a LOT of 'soft tissue' injuries under Mary's reign that disappeared with Hickmans, who was clearly more qualified in the field of sports science. But there are countless factors that lead to injuries that COULD have been directly attributed to McGregor's methods. Again, impossible to say without knowing said methods.

Best recent case is that of James Tedesco. Kid always had talent, but for the past few years has struggled to string games together withour copping a leg injury. Not just in top grade btw. Taylor came in and his team identified an issue with Teddys running style, trained him to amend it, and hes got a full season out so far. Good S&C can work wonders.

We could also make the same case for Benji Marshall - barring his latest hamstring injury it is clear that has had significantly less injuries under Mary than he did whilst playing under Sheens. Not a single shoulder dislocation the whole time he has been a Dragon.

 

[chewbacca]

Hey, why dont I forward this thread to Stephen Hawking? Only he could find a connection between these random set of assumptions.

 

[Mr Red]

But what we have here is a correlation, not a forgone conclusion that Mary's methods were directly responsible.

Yes we had a horror injury run and yes Mary was the S&C coach at the time, but to suggest that Mary's methods were directly responsible is pure speculation and I'm yet to see any factual or scientific basis whatsoever to conclusively link the 2 factors.

I'm not dismissing the fact that Mary's methods may have played a part, but I'm not claiming that they did, either.

of course.
i'm not a doctor either so i cant say scientifically, but the alarming injury trend did run over multiple seasons whilst McGregor was in the role, and then stopped as soon as he was moved on...
applying some logic to this (all be without medical proof) would seem to suggest McGregor's methods had some input

 

[Slippery Morris]

Wasn't Dugan injury prone at Canberra and last season?

 

[BennyV]

But what we have here is a correlation, not a forgone conclusion that Mary's methods were directly responsible.

Yes we had a horror injury run and yes Mary was the S&C coach at the time, but to suggest that Mary's methods were directly responsible is pure speculation and I'm yet to see any factual or scientific basis whatsoever to conclusively link the 2 factors.

I'm not dismissing the fact that Mary's methods may have played a part, but I'm not claiming that they did, either.

Disagree, I think it's much more a reasonable conclusion to say that a guy with little to no experience in the field, employed as a Strength and Conditioning manager, was part of the reason that we had an abnormal spike in player injuries.

We could also make the same case for Benji Marshall - barring his latest hamstring injury it is clear that has had significantly less injuries under Mary than he did whilst playing under Sheens. Not a single shoulder dislocation the whole time he has been a Dragon.

Not the same argument - Mary isnt in charge of injury management or S&C. That falls under Andrew Gray. But yes, it is a good example of how different training, preparation and recovery methods affect players. Its likely and safe to assume that Gray, like Hickmans, has a higher level of experience, knowledge and education in the field of sports science than whoever was at Tigpies prior to Taylor (and probably than Mary).

 

[WreckTangle]

I want to know who our hamstring coach is. He's doing a crap job this season.

 

[The Nick]

Disagree, I think it's much more a reasonable conclusion to say that a guy with little to no experience in the field, employed as a Strength and Conditioning manager, was part of the reason that we had an abnormal spike in player injuries.

Again, you're referring to a correlation to form an argument. You've literally just repeated the same argument without qualifying it in any way whatsoever.

If you can't explain exactly HOW Mary's strength and conditioning techniques directly led to the injuries during his tenure other than "he was there and players got injured so it must have been his fault" then your argument is worthless.

Not the same argument - Mary isnt in charge of injury management or S&C. That falls under Andrew Gray. But yes, it is a good example of how different training, preparation and recovery methods affect players. Its likely and safe to assume that Gray, like Hickmans, has a higher level of experience, knowledge and education in the field of sports science than whoever was at Tigpies prior to Taylor (and probably than Mary).

Ok this pretty much sums up the strength of your argument. You don't even know who was in charge of strength and conditioning at the Tigers during Tim Sheens' tenure, yet you can confidently declare that they were less qualified and experienced than Jeremy Hickmans and Andrew Gray. Wow.

Also - if Andrew Gray is so good at preventing injuries (according to you), was he on holiday during the 7 weeks we were losing and suffered a pretty rough trot with injuries?

 

[BennyV]

Again, you're referring to a correlation to form an argument. You've literally just repeated the same argument without qualifying it in any way whatsoever.

If you can't explain exactly HOW Mary's strength and conditioning techniques directly led to the injuries during his tenure other than "he was there and players got injured so it must have been his fault" then your argument is worthless.

I dont know what you are reading, but I have never said that Mary is 100% the reason. I said he was underqualified and that its a reasonabke conclusion (based on the evidence available) to believe that the large amount of injuries were related to his methods.

Ok this pretty much sums up the strength of your argument. You don't even know who was in charge of strength and conditioning at the Tigers during Tim Sheens' tenure, yet you can confidently declare that they were less qualified and experienced than Jeremy Hickmans and Andrew Gray. Wow.

Also - if Andrew Gray is so good at preventing injuries (according to you), was he on holiday during the 7 weeks we were losing and suffered a pretty rough trot with injuries?

Again, try reading things before fabricated contrary arguments. I didn't confidently declare anything. I said it's likely and safe to assume. Which, based on the information available (you know, the information that you provided to try and back up your defense of Mary as a S&C coach), it is.

Try another shot champ.

 

[zombiebloodlust]

The Nick's argument appears to be that if you aren't close enough to the club and thus don't have 100% proof then refrain from commenting. Close the forum down.

 

[The Nick]

The Nick's argument appears to be that if you aren't close enough to the club and thus don't have 100% proof then refrain from commenting. Close the forum down.

Nope, it's that without facts an argument is pure speculation. And I'm yet to see any facts linking MacGregor's stint as S&C coach to a horror injury toll. End of story.

 

[zombiebloodlust]

Where are the facts coming from? All we can comment on is what we see and it is pretty clear in this case. End of story.

 

[The Nick]

Where are the facts coming from? All we can comment on is what we see and it is pretty clear in this case. End of story.

Thank you for summing up what I just said.

 

[_Johnsy]

One thing is certain about JA. Some people will look for a scapegoat regardless of the facts. The reality is we have over achieved to be in contention for the top 8 with 4 rounds to go.

 

[Objective View]

Bennett was right to snub Mary.

Straight Shooter

 

[possm]

Look it's plain to see that McGreggor is not comfortable adjusting his game plan each week. So once the good coaches work out his defensive plan, they counter it with a style that sees our team short out wide and if we adjust they come back inside.

We will be lucky to make the 8 now and although our forwards will be looking much better for 2016, our lack of speed in the backline will cause us a problem again next year.

 

[Walpole]

Just for some perspective, the first year records of a selection of coaches were;

Des Hasler 9-15 (2004)
Craig Bellamy 16-10 (2003)
Mick Potter 7-17 (2013)
Nathan Brown 11-13 (2003)
Jason Taylor 12-13 (2007-first full year)
Mary McGregor 10-11 so far...kind of fits with the others.

 

[FlameThrower]

Well don't know about all of those stats but the fact is September Contenders have really stepped up this weekend, what our coach have as plan remains to be seen, but the Frday effort Versus the Broncos was one of the worst game plans in Years!