Boogs gone!

[Just Visiting]

Just Visiting wrote:
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well, you smarmy little pr*ck, if this goes to court, boogs is accusing the raiders of unfairly dismissing him. who's the accused in this case again?



OK buddy, so the club are not accusing him of contravening the conduct clause?
Oh thats right they are, try and keep up.



amateur.

Thats right, you got nothing.

The thing is I'm not saying he is innocent, I'm just pointing out the obvious, you don't sack someone for a matter such as this before the police finish their investigation, and come back with a result, from a legal point of view, if nothing else.

 

[Chippo Raiders]

Boyo .... some of you guys will never admit to the possiblilty that management may have f***ed up.

Everyone here knows where my opinions of Raiders management reside and therefore you may also conclude my opinion on this matter is tainted.

But quite frankly, although I would like to side with management on this matter due to the possible ugly ramifications, I am very open to the views of others that seem to indicate we may not come out of this squeeky clean.

As I have said before, I hope maangement have done their homework, because if they havent this incident will take my prediction of 2009 to 2119.

The only people outbursting that management have ****ed up before clarity is shown is you, you are having a go at the "possibility" of management being guilty and automatically saying management have screwed this up DESPITE you saying "innocent until proven guilty". You have proven time and time again that you have no understanding as to how a management works throughout and you are showing it again, only a fool would jump to conclusions as such the way you did. :lol:

:thumnn
Keep going mate

Choppo as per usual your comments are way of the mark. I havent stated in this post that management have screwed up .. I state that I have an open mind on the matter.

With regard to my knowledge of management you are once more way of the mark.

If being a concerned supporter means that I am termed a nego I say stiff sh*t
*opens the kitchen window*
I'M A NEGO, I'M A NEGO, I'M A NEGO, I'M A NEGO, SACK MANAGEMENT, SACK THE COACH

there the whole street knows .. dont give a sh*t choppo

keep it up mate :lol:

Now you give your reasoning to being a Raiders supporter :roll:

And past threads and posts are way off the mark, you are great at finding cracks but you don't know the processes to filling them, If I said something that outlandish I would need back up with examples, quotes and solutions. You said you have an open mind YET you seem to find the other fence to sit on when the management are involved, IF Jason Bulgarelli is found guilty then it would be commendable that they took the stance they did. He should have been kicked out with his prior offence anyway.

Just cause the little guy says it, doesn't make it right, often its the other way around

 

[Bay56]

Choppo .. I can never work out what you are actually trying to say ... have you any idea on how to construct a sentence ... I usually have to twist my neck and end up standing on my head to make any sense.

Keep it up pal.

 

[Chippo Raiders]

Choppo .. I can never work out what you are actually trying to say ... have you any idea on how to construct a sentence ... I usually have to twist my neck and end up standing on my head to make any sense.

Keep it up pal.

Ok I'll make it easy for you

You are a hypocrite, you do say something and do the other.

You will find anything just to suit your argument, often things that aren't to do with the topic

You have jumped to conclusions dozens of times, I would quote you but it isn't necessary I don't think

 

[jed]

Do you not have any faith that in the weeks between the incident and last Friday's announcement, that they would have received legal advice? Whatever you think about our management, surely you're not dumping our legal advisors in the same boat here.

What annoys me is the attitude in this forum that is personified by the poll regarding Elliot and changing one's opinion of him ... the last time I looked at the results of the poll it indicated that 45% of replies favoured the view that, regardless of the team's performance, their opinion of Elliot would not change ... stuck in mud, head in the sand type attitude ... since when does the fortunes of the coach come before the team.

As a number of people have pointed out, the polls that we have here are not accurate, as they are too easily swayed by fans of other clubs. That's one of the reasons that the Player Of The Year votes are out in the open. It's only last month that greeneyed posted a link in the forum directing us to a poll in the NRL forum, and telling us that this is how to vote. And there are some people that have admitted to voting in a particular way so that they could annoy you. I'm fairly confident that if seriously asked, most people here would be looking for a top 6 to top 8 finish.

 

[Bay56]

Choppo .. I can never work out what you are actually trying to say ... have you any idea on how to construct a sentence ... I usually have to twist my neck and end up standing on my head to make any sense.

Keep it up pal.

Ok I'll make it easy for you

You are a hypocrite, you do say something and do the other.

You will find anything just to suit your argument, often things that aren't to do with the topic

You have jumped to conclusions dozens of times, I would quote you but it isn't necessary I don't think

And you chippo are a fool .... a bigger fool than I first thought.

You are a hypocrite, you do say something and do the other. - examples please.

You will find anything just to suit your argument, often things that aren't to do with the topic - examples please.

You have jumped to conclusions dozens of times, I would quote you but it isn't necessary I don't think - examples please.

 

[jed]

The thing is I'm not saying he is innocent, I'm just pointing out the obvious, you don't sack someone for a matter such as this before the police finish their investigation, and come back with a result, from a legal point of view, if nothing else.

No-one here is suggesting that Bulgarelli is guilty of whatever charges the police are likely to lay down, merely that if he broke the code-of-conduct clauses in his contract, he deserved to have his contract revoked.

 

[Bay56]

As a number of people have pointed out, the polls that we have here are not accurate, as they are too easily swayed by fans of other clubs. That's one of the reasons that the Player Of The Year votes are out in the open. It's only last month that greeneyed posted a link in the forum directing us to a poll in the NRL forum, and telling us that this is how to vote. And there are some people that have admitted to voting in a particular way so that they could annoy you. I'm fairly confident that if seriously asked, most people here would be looking for a top 6 to top 8 finish.

bull *cough" shit

Give me a break jed !!! ... there are at least two and maybe three people in this forum that would chose that option. Of what interest is there for posters from other clubs to post their opinion regarding Elliot in this forum .. it very rarely happens.

I give up with your bias towards the club and against me if you truely believe that the 45% poll score is not due to members in this forum.

 

[Bay56]

Hey chippo .. still looking are you ....

keep it up pal

:thumnn and there's a big emoticon just for you

 

[jed]

Current results of the Elliott poll, as at 8:35pm tonight

Results wont matter, i think he is good
12% [ 4 ]
6th or lower
19% [ 6 ]
7th or lower
6% [ 2 ]
8th or lower
6% [ 2 ]
9th or lower
12% [ 4 ]
10th or lower
12% [ 4 ]
11th or lower
3% [ 1 ]
12th or lower
9% [ 3 ]
13th or lower
9% [ 3 ]
14th or lower
0% [ 0 ]
Wooden Spoon and only the wooden spoon
6% [ 2 ]

Total Votes : 31

As you can see from this Baby56, there are 17 voters here (out of 31) that have claimed they would be content to finish 9th or lower. Do you seriously believe that 17 people (54%) here will be happy for us to miss the finals? #-o Not to mention the additional 13% that have said results won't matter at all.

 

[Bay56]

Jed .... the 54% you quote have indicated that they would not be happy and therefore their opinion of Elliot would change, quite the opposite of what I think you are stating .. so yes that is believable. I think I can guess who the four would be that would not change their opinion.

PS its Bay56 ... if you would like a challenge in that department I can open for business right now ... benefit of the doubt.

 

[raiders_boy]

well, you smarmy little pr*ck

you know jacksh!t. george bush has more knowledge on this matter in his little finger than you do in your entire body.

fair dinkum.

they're know-nothings who took time out of their busy schedule of using recreational suppositories to stick the boot in when the club is down.

lotm, how dare you?

I usually like the points you make, because you seem like quite an intelligent guy, but thats way out of line. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and quite frankly, i think their right. You have no right to abuse people for having a say on a FORUM.

Far out, what a joke.

All I have to say on this matter, is Boogs has not tested positive for drugs since he signed for the club. The police have not interviewed him, so we need to lay off him for the time being. I can tell you for free that if Boogs has done nothing wrong, then the club will be in trouble. They have definitely defamed his character, and how anyone can say that they haven't is beyond me. Wrongful dismissal will be on the cards too.

I love the Raiders as much as the next bloke on here, but I have a bad feeling that the club has done the wrong thing here. I'll happily eat my words, because I definitely don't want the club to be involved in anything like this, but don't be surprised if they have done the wrong thing.

 

[jed]

Jed .... the 54% you quote have indicated that they would not be happy and therefore their opinion of Elliot would change, quite the opposite of what I think you are stating .. so yes that is believable. I think I can guess who the four would be that would not change their opinion.

The 54% said that it would take finishing 9th or lower for their opinions to change. And that is what my point was - that it would take finishing out of the 8 to change their opinion. Including the 4 people that said they weren't prepared to change their opinion, and also the 13 people who votes 10th or lower, 54% said that they wouldn't change their opinion even if we finished 9th, out of the finals.

PS its Bay56 ... if you would like a challenge in that department I can open for business right now ... benefit of the doubt.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. But point taken, I'll be more careful to avoid typing mistakes in the future.

 

[Bay56]

Raiders boy ..... join the club of those people who at least have an open mind on the issue rather than the usual bury your head in the sand, management cant do any wrong, type attitude.

I know you probably wont like bing associated with a "nego" like my good self but hey I think you dont have a say in the matter :lol: :lol:

 

[Bay56]

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. But point taken, I'll be more careful to avoid typing mistakes in the future.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

as far as the other point, you know what they say about stats ..... my initial concern, and I stand by it, is that there are people who post in this forum who have a concern for the coach more than the club.

 

[geraldo]

Do you not have any faith that in the weeks between the incident and last Friday's announcement, that they would have received legal advice?

I agree with Butterfield from The Aussie Players Association that the Raiders no doubt did their homework before reaching their decision. However he also went on to say that as of now they require some "sanity" from those decision-makers.

I love the Raiders as much as the next bloke on here, but I have a bad feeling that the club has done the wrong thing here. I'll happily eat my words, because I definitely don't want the club to be involved in anything like this, but don't be surprised if they have done the wrong thing.

It's not a matter of turning on your beloved club. It's simply a matter of finding the individual responsible for the misconduct. If the investigation proves that Jason Bulgarelli has breached the club's code of conduct then, and only then should punishment be handed down. At this point the union, certain management and certain players are adamant that Bulgarelli has not breached the club's code of conduct. Likewise if certain individuals within the Raider's organisation have fu*ked up they need to be found out and driven out so that the club can start to rebuild it's reputation, the players will start to come back and the fans will have reasons to support them.

 

[raiders_boy]

Raiders boy ..... join the club of those people who at least have an open mind on the issue rather than the usual bury your head in the sand, management cant do any wrong, type attitude.

I know you probably wont like bing associated with a "nego" like my good self but hey I think you dont have a say in the matter :lol: :lol:

I refuse to be called a nego!!!!!! :lol:

Bay, I am usually one of those having a dig at you, so therefore I don't think I'm a nego.

Back on the point, I think you are right when u say we need to have open minds on things. We don't have the full story, so for now we must assume innocence until proven guilty.

For those saying they won't answer hypotheticals is petty. Have a look at the whole picture, rather than what you wish to see. The raiders may be in trouble if this is a mistake, and we all need to admit that. ie. open mind

 

[geraldo]

Do you not have any faith that in the weeks between the incident and last Friday's announcement, that they would have received legal advice?

I agree with Butterfield from The Aussie Players Association that the Raiders no doubt did their homework before reaching their decision. However he also went on to say that as of now they require some "sanity" from those decision-makers. (refer ST interview 14.11.04).

I love the Raiders as much as the next bloke on here, but I have a bad feeling that the club has done the wrong thing here. I'll happily eat my words, because I definitely don't want the club to be involved in anything like this, but don't be surprised if they have done the wrong thing.

While we seem to be in agreement, I'd just like to use your comment to make another point. It's not a matter of turning on your beloved club. It's simply a matter of finding the individual responsible for the misconduct. If the investigation proves that Jason Bulgarelli has breached the club's code of conduct then, and only then should punishment be handed down. At this point the union, certain management and certain players are adamant that Bulgarelli has not breached the club's code of conduct. Likewise if certain individuals within the Raider's organisation have fu*ked up they need to be found out and driven out so that the club can start to rebuild it's reputation, the players will start to come back and the fans will have reasons to love and respect them again.

 

[geraldo]

Have a look at the whole picture, rather than what you wish to see. The raiders may be in trouble if this is a mistake, and we all need to admit that. ie. open mind

What a grand idea!

 

[raiders_boy]

I love the Raiders as much as the next bloke on here, but I have a bad feeling that the club has done the wrong thing here. I'll happily eat my words, because I definitely don't want the club to be involved in anything like this, but don't be surprised if they have done the wrong thing.

While we seem to be in agreement, I'd just like to use your comment to make another point. It's not a matter of turning on your beloved club. It's simply a matter of finding the individual responsible for the misconduct. If the investigation proves that Jason Bulgarelli has breached the club's code of conduct then, and only then should punishment be handed down. At this point the union, certain management and certain players are adamant that Bulgarelli has not breached the club's code of conduct. Likewise if certain individuals within the Raider's organisation have fu*ked up they need to be found out and driven out so that the club can start to rebuild it's reputation, the players will start to come back and the fans will have reasons to love and respect them again.

You're right in that we are in agreement

I am not, nor am I accusing anyone of turning on their club, because I have been on here long enough to know that will never be the case with anyone. We may differ on some things, but we all concur that the Raiders are the greatest club in the NRL. I am simply stating that they may be in a bit of trouble in regards to legal matters.

Have a look at the whole picture, rather than what you wish to see. The raiders may be in trouble if this is a mistake, and we all need to admit that. ie. open mind

What a grand idea!

I'm not sure if ur being sarcastic here. I hope you're not.