Brad Hogg

[NK Arsenal]

Give him a go.
White has done sh*t all this international summer, apart from the Twenty20.

 

[lockyno1]

No, becuase in the West Indies unfortunately with the really short boundaries White will be of more use than Hogg. It is reality but batting scores of 300 are neccessary. Hogg will be of use on the one spinning pitch in the Windies (Antigua?), that is it. White's superior batting and fielding place him ahead of Hogg. Selectors agree as well.

 

[Sanchez]

He shouldnt even be in the squad anymore

 

[aussies1st]

White's still gotta show he can perform when the pressure is on. Twice it was and he failed.

 

[Twizzle]

White for me,

more future in him than Hogg

he should be allowed a few failures after his first class form, he has been brilliant in first class cricket

plus he is 10 times the batsman that Hogg is

 

[Roosters_187]

White for me,

more future in him than Hogg

he should be allowed a few failures after his first class form, he has been brilliant in first class cricket

plus he is 10 times the batsman that Hogg is

There have been plenty of people with brilliant form in first class cricket i.e Jacques, Rogers, Hodge etc. I agree there is more of a future in him than hogg but how long does he get, Jacques scored 90 odd then hasnt had another chance. He has failed when the pressure is on and he cant bowl for sh*t hogg is ten time better than him with the ball. I hope warney will help white.

 

[Tom Shines]

Hogg would still be in my first XI, but on small pace friendly grounds, you would have to leave him out.

 

[shaggy]

i guess their waiting for watson to improve his fitness & might slot him back in at 7, also their are huge wraps on white, captained the 19s when they won the world cup (?), has been captain of vic for a number of years & is only in his early twenties

 

[Twizzle]

There have been plenty of people with brilliant form in first class cricket i.e Jacques, Rogers, Hodge etc. I agree there is more of a future in him than hogg but how long does he get, Jacques scored 90 odd then hasnt had another chance. He has failed when the pressure is on and he cant bowl for sh*t hogg is ten time better than him with the ball. I hope warney will help white.

he's been too agressive too early in his last two failures

he's only about 23 and I beleive he'll learn from it

 

[Twizzle]

Hogg would still be in my first XI, but on small pace friendly grounds, you would have to leave him out.

we've been playing with 4 quicks

I'd say we'll use 3 plus Hoggy on a spinners pitch

 

[lockyno1]

4 quicks plus the part time spin of Symonds, White, and Clarke is enough in the Windies who don't produce spin pitches.

 

[Stuart]

There have been plenty of people with brilliant form in first class cricket i.e Jacques, Rogers, Hodge etc. I agree there is more of a future in him than hogg but how long does he get, Jacques scored 90 odd then hasnt had another chance. He has failed when the pressure is on and he cant bowl for sh*t hogg is ten time better than him with the ball. I hope warney will help white.

In te one day form of the game both Jaques and Rogers are averaging 20 ish, not what i would call 'brilliant' form deserving of a place. Jaques is generally out of form as well. The other more important point however is that none of the players you mentioned would be good at #7, where they would have to play.

White has been in excellent form at state level in the one day game and is a perfect fit at 7. He, unlike the others can turn a match in overs, his 40 odd against england proved that (he turned 240 odd into 290 with the help of symonds) and his 20/20 for also shows how destructive he can be. For that reason alone he deserves more time.

With white in teh side there is stil room for Hogg, white is primarily a batsman and on spin friendly wickets you would ideally play Hogg as well.

 

[lockyno1]

Exactly Stuart, well said.

 

[Roosters_187]

In te one day form of the game both Jaques and Rogers are averaging 20 ish, not what i would call 'brilliant' form deserving of a place. Jaques is generally out of form as well. The other more important point however is that none of the players you mentioned would be good at #7, where they would have to play.

White has been in excellent form at state level in the one day game and is a perfect fit at 7. He, unlike the others can turn a match in overs, his 40 odd against england proved that (he turned 240 odd into 290 with the help of symonds) and his 20/20 for also shows how destructive he can be. For that reason alone he deserves more time.

With white in teh side there is stil room for Hogg, white is primarily a batsman and on spin friendly wickets you would ideally play Hogg as well.

All i was saying is that countless players have exceled in first class cricket and they did not get the opportunity that white is getting. I think he needs to work on his bowling, if he is selected in the team to bat i would have haddin over white easy you can;t tell me white is a better bat than haddin. He has crumbled under pressure imagine him in a world cup semi final. Oh and in terms of jacques it is obvious I was talking about last season.

When white was selected to play in the junior ranks for australia it was primarily for his bowling and he has neglected that part of his game. His batting has improved greatly but i dont feel it's enough to warrant his selection

 

[lockyno1]

Small problem.....Haddin is a wicketkeeper fool! White is very damaging in the last 10 overs of the innings and will be in the side as a result!

 

[Roosters_187]

Small problem.....Haddin is a wicketkeeper fool! White is very damaging in the last 10 overs of the innings and will be in the side as a result!

Why couldnt haddin play Gilchrist is a keeper, sangakarra is a wicket keeper does'nt mean they cant bat ....fool. Why couldn't haddin bat at 7 if white isn't going to bowl haddin would be doing the same job.

 

[lockyno1]

Becuase White is a damn good fieldsman as well and keepers have not fielded much at all normally. They just keep. It is too risky. You see Gilchrist when he played as a batsman alone, he dropped 5 or 6 sitters. That is why you don't play keepers as batsmen alone.

 

[Stuart]

All i was saying is that countless players have exceled in first class cricket and they did not get the opportunity that white is getting. I think he needs to work on his bowling, if he is selected in the team to bat i would have haddin over white easy you can;t tell me white is a better bat than haddin. He has crumbled under pressure imagine him in a world cup semi final. Oh and in terms of jacques it is obvious I was talking about last season.

When white was selected to play in the junior ranks for australia it was primarily for his bowling and he has neglected that part of his game. His batting has improved greatly but i dont feel it's enough to warrant his selection

I think you are being a little harsh on White. He has only had 3 innings, all under pressure, he performed well in one and failed in 2. I think he deserves more time...

I conceed that on batting alone Haddin should be there but i think in terms of the full package (batting, bowling, fielding), white edges him out because he can do a job with the ball (and with no specialist spinner in the side this is important) and is excellent in the field.

 

[lockyno1]

Exactly. That backhand flick runnout that he did was awesome. That type of fielding wins matches. Haddin would never be able to do that!

 

[Roosters_187]

Exactly. That backhand flick runnout that he did was awesome. That type of fielding wins matches. Haddin would never be able to do that!

I think its a tad unfair to assume that haddin would automatically be a bad fieldsman cos he keeps. He is a fit bloke and im sure he would be adequate enough in the field. But then we dont know that do we? As brilliant as that runout was it was a fluke i dont think white ever expected that to hit. But then again he put himself in the position to make the runout but so did the shoddy running of the batsmen.