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Brad Thorn elligability

strong_latte

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I think the whole debate about Origin eligibility needs to be raised once more now that Brad Thorne has been selected to represent Qld. If a player like Sonny Bill wouldn't be eligible to play for NSW after playing for the kiwi’s, due to the possibility of Origin being "cheapened", then how can Thorne possibly be considered to play for Qld??? This is a bloke who has left the code, went and played for the bloody All Blacks of all teams!! And now he's come back and is out chanting "QUEENSLANDER" again! Now if that isn't cheapening the Origin concept, what is??? If he was so bloody loyal to Queensland, then why didn't he play for the Reds in the S12? He wanted to be an All Black is why!

Just look at this picture of the Joker in the Courier Mail:

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This bloke should NOT be elligble for origin anymore!
 

Mr Saab

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this topic has been done to death. No matter what anyone says he will play for QLD.
He represented QLD and Australia long before he represented NZ.

Read this from Wayne Bennett in the Courier Mail :


STATE of Origin is just around the corner and the way I see it, the Queensland team is not all that hard to pick.

Barring injuries, it looks pretty straightforward - and certainly a lot more straightforward than some of the arguments I've seen raised about the eligibility of a couple of players who happen to be pretty close to me, Brad Thorn and Tonie Carroll.

I am constantly amazed and disappointed by the way some people create arguments and then put their own slant on them. In this case, I've just got to presume - or at least hope - that no one buys the arguments being raised or the flawed logic being used to justify them.

We live in a country which prides itself on being multi-cultural and, to be that, we have to allow and encourage the people who have come here to live to embrace our culture and our national sporting teams. And, if they have the ability, we have to let them be part of those teams and to applaud them when they represent us.

I can speak with some authority about Brad and Tonie because they are Broncos and we spend a lot of time together and I can say categorically that the two of them are not interested in playing rugby league for New Zealand. They want to play State of Origin for Queensland and Tests for Australia.

First and foremost, they came to Australia, and Queensland in particular, as young boys. They played for Queensland at schoolboy level and Tonie represented Australia at that level. They regard themselves as Queenslanders and Australians.

Brad had a dream of playing for the All Blacks, but that was another code. In rugby league, he has always been committed to Queensland and Australia. End of section, as far as I'm concerned.

In Tonie's case, he always said he wanted to play for Queensland and Australia and he declined many, many approaches from the New Zealand Rugby League to represent them before 2000 when the world governing body declared a different set of rules for the World Cup. Luke Ricketson represented Ireland, Lote Tuqiri captained Fiji and Hazem El Masri played for Lebanon and all three later returned to play for Australia.

Why, I wonder,is there to be one rule for them and another for Tonie Carroll. I discussed his representative ambitions many times before 2000 and it was me who encouraged him to play for New Zealand in the World Cup after I phoned ARL chief executive Geoff Carr to make sure it would not mean he could never play for Australia.

The point is we say we want the likes of Brad and Tonie to feel Australian; we want them to "be" Australian so we can hardly say they can't be Australian for the purposes of football selections. I hope that balances the "argument" for you because as far as I'm concerned it should never have been an argument. And I won't be mentioning it again.
 

strong_latte

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Charlie Saab said:
Brad had a dream of playing for the All Blacks, but that was another code. In rugby league, he has always been committed to Queensland and Australia. End of section, as far as I'm concerned.

This is what irks me... If he was so commited to queensland and Australia why did he leave the code in the first place? If he had dreamt of playing for the AB's wouldn't you say that his loyalty is a bit farcical?
All I'm saying is that if HE can play origin, then all other Kiwi's with Origin elligibility MUST be allowd to represent both the kiwi's and their respective SOO sides... Otherwise it's a simple case of double standards! Who cares if it was another code, in my opinion that actually makes it worse!
 

Mr Saab

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in the fair dinkum dept i agree with you, but he is playing and thats the end of it. No new rules will come in to bar him, TC or Hunt (in the future) playing origin.
If origin was STRICT 100% then there would be a few players who would never have played origin for oth NSW and QLD
 

jc155776

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On Bennets own arguement then SBW can play for NSW. He played for NSW all through his junior days......
 

Matt M

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As a rugby league player he is an Australian. It makes no difference what he goes and does in another sport, he is an Australian rugby league player. He has already played for Australia and therefore he should be considered an Australian.
 

Mr Saab

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Big_Bad_Shark_Fan said:
a joke hes there
to think his taking up a spot of a born and bred queenslander like nutley is appauling
i am glad he is there....nutley vs thorn? I would take thorn everytime. Nutley has little big man syndrome.
 

Mr Saab

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Big_Bad_Shark_Fan said:
little in size
big in heart

unlike this cat thorn who just wants another clothing item for his cupboard

yeah, thorn is a cat :rolleyes:
wakeup and take off the cronulla glasses. Nutley is a club forward, not a rep forward.
 

Meanie

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jc155776 said:
On Bennets own arguement then SBW can play for NSW. He played for NSW all through his junior days......

Thorn played for NZ in Union. Sonny Bill played for NZ in league. Therein lies the difference. It seems people want to link League to Union only when it suits them, like in this debate. I'm sure in other debates these same people would say that league and union couldn't be further apart.
 

JJ

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Charlie Saab said:
yeah, thorn is a cat :rolleyes:
wakeup and take off the cronulla glasses. Nutley is a club forward, not a rep forward.

Thorn's no cat - that's obvious.

I disagree on Nutley - like O'meley he's small for a prop, but he'd be fine origin football... if Price or Petero were unavailable, he wouldn't let anyone down

As for whether Thorn, Carroll etc should be allowed to play - ](*,) get over it people!
 

Shifty

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strong_latte said:
Now if that isn't cheapening the Origin concept, what is???

Dane Carlaw.

I performance and effort are anything to go by, Thorn has more pride than that cat.

Still, Thorn should no longer be eligible for Queensland. He chose to represent New Zealand.
 

Mr Saab

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Shifty said:
Still, Thorn should no longer be eligible for Queensland. He chose to represent New Zealand.

he chose to represent in another code. He played for QLD long before he played for the all blacks. This is an old worn argument that i hear almost everyday on talkback radio.. :BDH: :BDH: :BDH:
 

PARRA_FAN

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I think with Brad Thorn is that he wanted to play for Australia and Queensland cause he grew up there most of his life. I think he came to Australia at an early age.

The reason he played for New Zealand in Union was probably cause he wanted to get a better opportunity in the International scene, he was eligible for NZL cause he was born there. It's a bit like Clyde Rathbone (South African) playing for Australia, Henry Paul (New Zealand) playing for England.

So he played his all junior football in Australia which makes sense. Made his test debut in 1998, SOO debut in 1996. If he turned out playing for NZL this year there wouldve been an arguement anyway.
 

hutch

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jc155776 said:
On Bennets own arguement then SBW can play for NSW. He played for NSW all through his junior days......

no he didnt. SBW played his junior footy in auckland, where he was spotted by bulldogs scouts and moved over here at 15 i think. he has currently gone on to play rugby league for nz in a test match. carroll and thorn moved over here at a young age, played ALL there junior footy in qld, consider themselves aussie and have never played a TEST match for nz in league, which still enables them to play for qld. carroll played for nz at the world cup but the games were not considered test matches for some stupid reason. it is a farce that they actually played for nz in any sport, but thats the grandparent rule for you. they are definately queenslanders.
 

icewind

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i suppose there would those of you who believe Andrew Symonds should play for England and not Australia, since he was born in England? sheesh get over it.

plus, thorn carroll and them played their first senior footy in OZ, and both grew up in oz. SBW played his first senior match in NZ, AND has made himself available for NZ.

and if anyone ever dares to mention league and union in the same sentence, grrrrr.
 

Coaster

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In union, it doesnt matter where u are born anyway i dont think, Aussie side has Kiwis in it a South african on the wing ect.

If you need to compare the 2 codes, compare Union Internationals to the NRL, Thorn just played for a NZ team, same as Price does in league, they are still Queenslanders.
 

strong_latte

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hutch said:
it is a farce that they actually played for nz in any sport, but thats the grandparent rule for you. they are definately queenslanders.

If he was so bloody commited to queensland and Australia, he should have signed with the REDS and tried for a wallaby position! He didn't though did he? He's not a queenslander, he's a bloody kiwi! If he were an Aussie he would have played for the wallabies!
 

strong_latte

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icewind said:
i suppose there would those of you who believe Andrew Symonds should play for England and not Australia, since he was born in England? sheesh get over it.

plus, thorn carroll and them played their first senior footy in OZ, and both grew up in oz. SBW played his first senior match in NZ, AND has made himself available for NZ.

and if anyone ever dares to mention league and union in the same sentence, grrrrr.

Thats the point though isn't it? He went over to League's RIVAL Fl_lCKING CODE!!!!!!!!!!!! and worse! He played for the Fl_lCKING ALL BLACKS!!! He's a traitor and he should never be allowd to play rep footy in league unless it's for NZ, thats where his allegences were last year!
 
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