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Brian McGuigan: "“Yesterday I Lost Faith [in Nathan Brown]"

Seage

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And this relates to us, how?
Join the dots:
McGuigan puts pressure on Brown suggesting there may be a coaching vacancy
- Des Hasler might be out of work out the Bulldogs
- Knights need a coach and Des needs a job
- Des signs on as an assistant trainer at the Broncos after a late offer from Wayne Bennett. He could have got a million dollars to coach the Knights but took unders to work with Wayne and continue his development as a coach.
 

Burwood

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Hasler is safe- after Sunday's game where they put 50 on us, he'll extend his two year extension by another season or two.
 

perverse

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Des seems to have lost it, to be honest. Would probably attract a higher calibre of recruit than Browny, though... at least in the first year before everyone realizes that it's actually business as usual.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Who else is there??

I like Brown, but im not terminally attached. But, if dropping him means Rick Stone Jr, are we really sure its gonna improve things.

If brown gets thrown a hospital pass with this roster then gets booted before he can even put his own team together, why does anyone think a better coach will sign with us? Career suicide at the best of times, but not even giving than a chance to fail on their own terms is just pathetic.....
 

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Newcastle Knights coach Nathan Brown brushes off chairman Brian McGuigan's criticism
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Knights coach Nathan Brown has dismissed criticism from chairman Brian McGuigan, insisting he has full support of "the right people" inside the embattled club.

After Sunday's demoralising 33-12 loss to Wests Tigers, which left Newcastle at almost unbackable odds to collect a third consecutive wooden spoon, McGuigan expressed his disappointment in no uncertain terms.

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He said Brown was "the man that's got to carry the can" and suggested the coach's position might be reviewed if results did not improve before the season ends.

"It's just not good enough," McGuigan said. "The community expects better."

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Man in the middle: Newcastle coach Nathan Brown. Photo: Marina Neil
Speaking at Wednesday's press conference, Brown shrugged off the comments and said he had not discussed them with McGuigan.

"I know that I've got support from the right people," Brown said. "People who've been in rugby league for a long, long time that understand what it takes to build a rugby league club.

"I suppose we inherited the situation that we're in, and we've chosen a path of younger players to start with. We now have money to spend, which we didn't have this time last year for this year, which was always part of our plan, which gives us our best long-term shot at putting a team out there for the town to support.

"It doesn't mean that the result on the weekend was acceptable. We're all disappointed in that. We've had a lot of pretty good performances this year ... that created some good expectations, which the players had earned, but we certainly let ourselves down in a game that we should have done better in."

Brown signed a three-year deal with Newcastle at the end of 2015, after former coach Rick Stone was sacked mid-season.

He was recommended by board members John Quayle, Phil Gardner and Mark Fitzgibbon and chief executive Matt Gidley, who formed Newcastle's football subcommittee.

Quayle endorsed Brown's strategic plan in a newspaper interview on Tuesday, saying: "You've got to bear some pain to get it right."

His staunch support is clearly a source of comfort for Brown.

"Look, we've got a plan in place that Quayley, the board, myself, Gids, [football manager] Darren Mooney, we put in place when we first took over 18 months ago," Brown said.

"It's a good plan. Along the way there'll be some bumps, but it's a plan that gives us our best long-term shot, and we'll stick to it."

Brown said McGuigan's comments "didn't faze me one bit".

"I didn't pay much attention, to be honest with you," he said.

Asked if he had since spoken to the chairman, Brown replied: "I don't need to talk to him about that, no."

Brown remains confident the Knights will start making significant progress next season, when the roster has been reinforced. The club recently welcomed mid-season arrival Shaun Kenny-Dowall from the Roosters and has also signed his former teammate, Aidan Guerra, and North Queensland dynamo Kalyn Ponga.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...rian-mcguigans-criticism-20170705-gx5e1s.html

Yeah, in yo face McGuigan! Go back to counting your magic beans
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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1st & 10

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Take it from a dragons man, who knew Brown when he was in Flegg about 1992.

Get rid of him ASAP, you have some great young players. This time of thier development is crucial and Brown isn't the solution

Brock Lamb is the worse playmaker since Ben Kusto and is the only major negative in your rebuilding process . Best of luck Knights, you deserve better
 

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You can take Paul "waterboy" McGregor

Hopeless coach and footy mind, but brilliant H2O technician and hydration expert
 

Noname36

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Take it from a dragons man, who knew Brown when he was in Flegg about 1992.

Get rid of him ASAP, you have some great young players. This time of thier development is crucial and Brown isn't the solution

Brock Lamb is the worse playmaker since Ben Kusto and is the only major negative in your rebuilding process . Best of luck Knights, you deserve better

As most respected league judges have pointed out Brown actually has the squad well coached (they're just too inexperienced/lacking game winning talent to win many games sadly). He has the squad punching well above their weight. They have no business competing in the games they have this year given the huge difference in experience/quality level compared to their opponents. My only real issue with Brown is some of his baffling team selections, but on the other hand I can aknowledge that he doesn't exactly have much choice. If we still can't win a game once he's been able to build a squad with a bit of experience/talent then I'm fully in agreement that we need to look elsewhere but for now you'd have to be a pretty hard marker to punt him at the moment given how he's been able to clear the dead wood out and get a bunch of kids competing like they do most weeks.

We'd be the absolute joke of the league if we punted Brown right now and no coach worth 2c would come near us. The scary part is our idiot chairman can't seem to work that out and went off publically so quickly after one disappointing game - I worry what he'll do next.
 
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Frederick

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As most respected league judges have pointed out Brown actually has the squad well coached (they're just too inexperienced/lacking game winning talent to win many games sadly). He has the squad punching well above their weight. They have no business competing in the games they have this year given the huge difference in experience/quality level compared to their opponents. My only real issue with Brown is some of his baffling team selections, but on the other hand I can aknowledge that he doesn't exactly have much choice. If we still can't win a game once he's been able to build a squad with a bit of experience/talent then I'm fully in agreement that we need to look elsewhere but for now you'd have to be a pretty hard marker to punt him at the moment given how he's been able to clear the dead wood out and get a bunch of kids competing like they do most weeks.

We'd be the absolute joke of the league if we punted Brown right now and no coach worth 2c would come near us. The scary part is our idiot chairman can't seem to work that out and went off publically so quickly after one disappointing game - I worry what he'll do next.
Hopefully by then the wests takeover will be finalized and McGuigan and his magic beans will no longer have a place at the club
 

Johns Magic

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I'm his biggest fan, but Brown hasn't yet shown he can coach here IMHO. If we get the targets we want for next season, that's when the markers will come out.
 

Noname36

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I'm his biggest fan, but Brown hasn't yet shown he can coach here IMHO. If we get the targets we want for next season, that's when the markers will come out.

I think he has - he has them competing most weeks, and at the end of the day that's all we can expect when we don't have the experience/class in the roster to get the wins on the board.

Saying that though if we still don't have any wins on the board once we hopefully bring some talent in and the kids get some more experience then Brown should 100% be questioned.

I defiently think he can coach, how well though we don't know - and can't really expect to know with the current squad. I do think he's done a great job at clearing out the deadwood though so he deserves a chance to actually coach a decent squad.
 

Jono078

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For me next year will be Brown's make or break season. He had his clean out & development years, next year will be the results year.

Not saying that we must make the finals next year but there's gotta be signs that we're on our way there and we compete weekly and win around 40% of our games and continue the astute recruiting and development.
 

Scar Tissue

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I have been a fan of Browns efforts to get rid of the dead wood with hopefully more to come.I too have an issue with some of the selections & recalling Hodkinson to me is not doing the team any favours or Brown himself. My issue with Brown & all his assistants, is their inability or unwillingness to get the backlines defence in order. Week after week the opposition swings the ball wide & every time we are cut to pieces , whether left or right.The players don't number up or communicate, there is always an overlap, together with just plain dumb defensive reads across the board. Either these guys are as dumb as they come to make the same mistakes, time & time again, week after week or they are products of absolutely pathetic coaching from day one in their careers. Youth or inexperience is no excuse for this or the half baked arm tackling & attempted jumper grabbing we witness each weak, if nobody in the coaching staff has the smarts to get some decent defensive strategies in place maybe we need to look for someone to come in who can.At the moment all our opponents well & truly have our number because of this deficiency.
 
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