Brisbane Bombers Bid

[Craig Johnston]

If Brothers is not the viable alternative? What makes a team backed by Ipswich Jets the alternative?

I think the NRL should force their hands and push for some form of united bud out of them all. Across the three SQ bids is some impressive credentials and ideas

brisbane united? could that work in league?

 

[Canard]

If Brothers is not the viable alternative? What makes a team backed by Ipswich Jets the alternative?

I think the NRL should force their hands and push for some form of united bud out of them all. Across the three SQ bids is some impressive credentials and ideas

Agree that they are best uniting there efforts.

 

[RoosTah]

For me the question is why put another team in Brisbane before going to Perth or putting another side in NZ?

Are there really many fans in Brisbane crying out for a second team?

 

[Craig Johnston]

For me the question is why put another team in Brisbane before going to Perth or putting another side in NZ?

Are there really many fans in Brisbane crying out for a second team?

because wellington's crying harder for a team? pffft. they don't care

 

[RoosTah]

because wellington's crying harder for a team? pffft. they don't care

That's not an answer... The question is are there really a lot of Brisbane League followers who don't like the Broncos?

Also, for the record NZ produces more NRL players than Queensland does, so I think there's a good case for a second NZ team some where.

 

[Craig Johnston]

That's not an answer... The question is are there really a lot of Brisbane League followers who don't like the Broncos?

Also, for the record NZ produces more NRL players than Queensland does, so I think there's a good case for a second NZ team some where.

here's a question for you, how does a one city rugby league town will 2 million people in their catchment area finish 2nd every year for memberships? and can barely 3/4 fill their stadium? the broncos crowds and membership ratio to their population is one of the worst in the nrl.

how is this possible for the "capital of rugby league"?

 

[Canard]

For me the question is why put another team in Brisbane before going to Perth or putting another side in NZ?

Frankly, I don't think anyone has said Brisbane 2 should be ahead of Perth, but at the same time.

Expansion has to consider more than just junior base, of which Brisbane's is quite substantial, but adding fans, building revenue.

If it was just based on juniors supplied to the competition, than Sydney would be the prime candidate for a new club. Do you think for example that the AFL expanded to Western Sydney and the Gold Coast because of the glut of juniors produced in that region?

 

[Joker's Wild]

That's not an answer... The question is are there really a lot of Brisbane League followers who don't like the Broncos?

Also, for the record NZ produces more NRL players than Queensland does, so I think there's a good case for a second NZ team some where.

Yes, absolutely there are

Brisbane has a very large NSW and NZ ex pat population as well as locals who dont follow the Donkeys (clearly, I am one). The town is also league starved during the season compared to Sydney and adding another 12+ games during the footy season would be a boost, along with the rivalry that would be created. Dont let the "cant sell out a stadium with 2+million population" rubbish argument fool you into thinking another team cant be supported here. Crowd numbers are dictated by more than just population alone

jnr production numbers, as pointed out, have little to do with why expansion teams are sort after. In fact, one can argue the case for the near exact opposite

 

[RoosTah]

Yes, absolutely there are

Brisbane has a very large NSW and NZ ex pat population as well as locals who dont follow the Donkeys (clearly, I am one). The town is also league starved during the season compared to Sydney and adding another 12+ games during the footy season would be a boost, along with the rivalry that would be created. Dont let the "cant sell out a stadium with 2+million population" rubbish argument fool you into thinking another team cant be supported here. Crowd numbers are dictated by more than just population alone

jnr production numbers, as pointed out, have little to do with why expansion teams are sort after. In fact, one can argue the case for the near exact opposite

Interesting points. In terms of getting non-broncos fans on board though, how would you differentiate the teams? Would you go down the soccer road and have a "Brisbane City" or "United" (always a somewhat paradoxical name for a town with more than one team I'd always thought though).

For me that seems to be the big challenge, as from what Brisbane people tell me you don't quite have the North/South/East/West culture divide of a place like Sydney.

In an ideal world that's how we'd divide Sydney of course - just have four teams representing those geographical divides and maybe giving Illawarra their own sole team back.

 

[Joker's Wild]

There is a pretty big Nth/Sth rivalry here in Brisbane but Im not sure that would be the way to go

Personally Id be going with something not so localised, maybe SEQ or just Southern Qld. That way it would be more inclusive to areas like Bundaburg, Gympie, Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba, etc

 

[RoosTah]

There is a pretty big Nth/Sth rivalry here in Brisbane but Im not sure that would be the way to go

Personally Id be going with something not so localised, maybe SEQ or just Southern Qld. That way it would be more inclusive to areas like Bundaburg, Gympie, Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba, etc

Yeah, that sounds like it would make more sense. Are there any decently sized grounds they could play out of? I hear that the stadium the Titans play out of is poorly located...

 

[Canard]

Yeah, that sounds like it would make more sense. Are there any decently sized grounds they could play out of? I hear that the stadium the Titans play out of is poorly located...

Suncorp should have an NRL match every week during the season.

 

[RoosTah]

Suncorp should have an NRL match every week during the season.

Why is that necessary? For the sake of the stadium trust holders or some other reason?

 

[johnny plath]

Yes, absolutely there are

Brisbane has a very large NSW and NZ ex pat population as well as locals who dont follow the Donkeys (clearly, I am one). The town is also league starved during the season compared to Sydney and adding another 12+ games during the footy season would be a boost, along with the rivalry that would be created. Dont let the "cant sell out a stadium with 2+million population" rubbish argument fool you into thinking another team cant be supported here. Crowd numbers are dictated by more than just population alone

jnr production numbers, as pointed out, have little to do with why expansion teams are sort after. In fact, one can argue the case for the near exact opposite

I would like to see another Brisbane team, but I'm curious why expats who support other teams would suddenly become supporters and attend B2 games. Would they become your number 2 team, or after a while would the dislike that is extended to Broncos also start to be directed to B2, particularly if they are successful. In all likeliness, you would probably still only get the opportunity to see your first team once a year if you live in Brisbane. Do you think a B2 team will be any less Brisbane and Qld parochial than the Broncos are? I acknowledge that there are Brissie/QLD residents from pre 1988 that have never warmed to the Broncos, but I think that most anti Bronco sentiment comes from the expat population post 1988 that you mentioned, so what would make a B2 team different after a while.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Yeah, that sounds like it would make more sense. Are there any decently sized grounds they could play out of? I hear that the stadium the Titans play out of is poorly located...

Suncorp would make the most sense. Excellent stadium (some would say the best in Aust), free every 2nd weekend during the season, close to a major transport hub, etc

I would like to see another Brisbane team, but I'm curious why expats who support other teams would suddenly become supporters and attend B2 games. Would they become your number 2 team, or after a while would the dislike that is extended to Broncos also start to be directed to B2, particularly if they are successful. In all likeliness, you would probably still only get the opportunity to see your first team once a year if you live in Brisbane. Do you think a B2 team will be any less Brisbane and Qld parochial than the Broncos are? I acknowledge that there are Brissie/QLD residents from pre 1988 that have never warmed to the Broncos, but I think that most anti Bronco sentiment comes from the expat population post 1988 that you mentioned, so what would make a B2 team different after a while.

Personally Id attend most of their matches purely because Im a RL fan but taking that out of the equation, there are plenty of RL goers who are non-Broncos fans in Brissy and could easily be pursuaded to back the new side. Its really no different to anywhere else where the first few seasons will be made up of those who follow the new team as their "2nd team" and either change their alligence, encourage their kids to follow the new team or just continue to go for no other reason than loving to watch RL.

Teams like Illawarra, Canberra, NQ and GC have all gone/are going/went through similar phases when they entered the comp. No one can reasonably expect an instant, died in the wool following over night for new teams in any area that is strong in RL fanbase already but thats not to say it cant grow organically given the right approach.

Any expansion team needs to be viewed as an investment rather than an instant cash cow

 

[Perth Red]

Follow the Freo Dockers lead. When they came in Eagles were similar sized crowd to Broncos now. Freo differentiated themselves by A) Geography (they represented a certain part of Perth area) B) Social status (Eagles are seen as the blue chip club whilst Dockers are seen as the working mans club). It worked well here, Eagles crowds grew to sell out level and Dockers have a strong support base as well. Those two factors in the dockers brand created the rivalry. (It also didn't hurt that the Eagles sell out every seat every season so if you want to watch a game you have to go to dockers games!)

Translating that to Brisbane would mean a club representing a section of Brisbane region (SW corridor/Ipswich etc) and a more working class appeal (Brothers?).

 

[Joker's Wild]

Yep that could work too

The Adelaide and Port Adelaide scenario is similar too barring that Port was an existing club elevated into the AFL.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Interesting points. In terms of getting non-broncos fans on board though, how would you differentiate the teams? Would you go down the soccer road and have a "Brisbane City" or "United" (always a somewhat paradoxical name for a town with more than one team I'd always thought though).

For me that seems to be the big challenge, as from what Brisbane people tell me you don't quite have the North/South/East/West culture divide of a place like Sydney.

In an ideal world that's how we'd divide Sydney of course - just have four teams representing those geographical divides and maybe giving Illawarra their own sole team back.

If they were to do a united bid, id love to see them call themselves "BRL United" and represent themselves as the revived version of the old BRL rep team (if anyone can share what the brl rep jersey looked like, itd be much appreciated)

I dont expect any brisbane fans to remember the team or care about them ATM, but it is a good callback to the pre-Broncos days and sets them up as the Bronco antagonist.

Edit: it was the '79 AMPCO Cup i was thinking of...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1F2FYVCHso

nice jersey. Bright red would be a good main colour for a new brisbane team.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Plus, a BRL revival team would be a good excuse to bring back the Q logos...

 

[Stranga]

I don't like the idea of calling a team south, east, west etc as you may be making the team unappealing to any NRL fan living in brissy who doesn't like the Broncos for whatever reason.

Ie somebody in Wynnum probably wouldn't support he West Brisbane Bombers.

Personally I think the best way to go is another SE QLD team, like the Crushers.

That way people from Redcliffe, Wynnum, Springwood, Ipswich etc could all jump aboard.