Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

[SirPies&Beers]

What he and I are saying is that to call the game truly Australian you need to invest outside traditional markets in order to truly expand. It’s not a difficult concept. Until you try and build the best game in the world with a funding base of $20000 a year, (which is what my league was given to develop league and run comps in a state with nearly 500000 people) you won’t understand how small the vision of the nrl has been and the countless opportunities it has lost to grow its profile, player base, tv viewing potential and sponsorship. It’s as simple as that. I typed that slowly to give you time to understand it.

it maybe lost those things but it’s also in best position it’s ever been. so is it really a loss?

reds just seems to have no concept of how things work. Like bears said you need extra money to be able to invest in something new that won’t hurt the proven winning product so if there’s no money then how can you invest? Even Half blind Bill at the local bowls 7 schooners deep can work that out

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I agree except our major competitor was brave enough to take its god awful game and promote itself to new markets and we didn’t. Their approach was completely different to ours not forgetting they had clubs going to the wall and wholesale opposition to expansion by traditional markets. They changed their structure, tyrannised the clubs into submission and acceptance of change and went out to spread the gospel. We can argue forever about how successful that’s been regarding tv viewers but in terms of sponsorship, profile , participation and crowds they have gone ahead of us.

You’re right again but our major competitor didn’t just come out of a civil war that cost their game millions while simultaneously devaluing their overall game and product though.

Nor did they have shoe horned ceos put in place there on after that were actually more concerned with News Ltd than NRL and therefore made the game beholden to News Ltd handouts rather than have the ability to rebuild its own capital. Which said capital could have been spent on affiliated states to stimulate proper growth

There’s context to it all.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Makes for a good debate though @Vlad59 I can appreciate the knowledge you have to share and definitely enjoyed this debate. Cheers for that mate.

End of the day I agree that the states need better resourcing and here’s hoping they get it ten fold. Look forward to seeing how it all unfolds.

 

[Canard]

Makes for a good debate though @Vlad59 I can appreciate the knowledge you have to share and definitely enjoyed this debate. Cheers for that mate.

End of the day I agree that the states need better resourcing and here’s hoping they get it ten fold. Look forward to seeing how it all unfolds.

I think our game needs to get over this idea that clubs are responsible for junior development.

I mean, even on this thread, most LU members believe it's the Storm's responsibility to fund and develop junior footy in Victoria, and give the ARLC a complete pass

 

[Vlad59]

Makes for a good debate though @Vlad59 I can appreciate the knowledge you have to share and definitely enjoyed this debate. Cheers for that mate.

End of the day I agree that the states need better resourcing and here’s hoping they get it ten fold. Look forward to seeing how it all unfolds.

Loved every second of it mate.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I think our game needs to get over this idea that clubs are responsible for junior development.

I mean, even on this thread, most LU members believe it's the Storm's responsibility to fund and develop junior footy in Victoria, and give the ARLC a complete pass

Good points. I agree with you. Changing that stance on your first point is a difficult one though only because of how the game has been set up in NSW and QLD. It is essentially changing the very fabric of how certain clubs are structured.

Keen to hear ideas of how you’d like it changed to and what proposals you’d make?

 

[Vlad59]

it maybe lost those things but it’s also in best position it’s ever been. so is it really a loss?

reds just seems to have no concept of how things work. Like bears said you need extra money to be able to invest in something new that won’t hurt the proven winning product so if there’s no money then how can you invest? Even Half blind Bill at the local bowls 7 schooners deep can work that out

It’s a loss because those opportunities could have seen the game much stronger in markets offering higher participation, greater sponsorship and a lot more government support. It’s not enough to be the more popular game in half the country. Bear is right. But so is Red. They are seeing the context and perspective from completely different experiences. My experiences are like Reds. We ran a pissy four team comp down here but there were quality players from a union background who would have killed it in league in Sydney or Brisbane. One, Adam Coleman, was chased by the Broncos and ended up a Wallaby. The potential pool of players had been restricted for far too long. Victoria is finally producing quality players to the point where most of their pathway squads are locals. What a bloody grind it has been getting to that stage though. Perth will be the same if not better and it will be quicker once they get a team and the right development funding.
And don’t insult me with schooners. Pints please

 

[Perth Red]

The revenue goes back to the clubs and players that produce the product. No product = no events.

Now that the game is finally in the midst of rebuilding its coffers to a point it can start investing properly I think you’ll start seeing more streaming into affiliated states.

But again how much do you actually spend if the only return is going to be a dozen players born in those states filtering into the NRL? There’s a vastly complex bigger picture that goes beyond your pout posts.

As for you reap what you sow comment, genuine question mate why do you even follow the game? All you seem to do is throw out little snarky comments like this time and time again. You know what the game has reaped? Biggest profits and revenue, participation numbers, viewership numbers, crowd attendances, merchandise sales, general growth of the game has ever seen. I’d say that’s a might fine sow.

Sure, but does it all have to? The arlc’s remit is not just to produce nrl players, as Important and that is. it’s also to grow the game at all levels across Australia. It could eearn a billion $ a year but of it doesn’t have a vision for national growth then it doesn’t matter how much they earn, they’ll continue to spend it in the same places.

if they are earning more revenue from these states buying events than they would normally is it too big an ask to see some of that money going back into growing the game in those states?

the games finally in an upward trajectory let’s hope we see some of the sugar sprinkled everywhere for a change.

 

[Vlad59]

Sure, but does it all have to? The arlc’s remit is not just to produce nrl players, as Important and that is. it’s also to grow the game at all levels across Australia. It could eearn a billion $ a year but of it doesn’t have a vision for national growth then it doesn’t matter how much they earn, they’ll continue to spend it in the same places.

if they are earning more revenue from these states buying events than they would normally is it too big an ask to see some of that money going back into growing the game in those states?

the games finally in an upward trajectory let’s hope we see some of the sugar sprinkled everywhere for a change.

Tbh I’m not sure you aren’t both saying pretty the same thing from a slightly different perspective. It’s what the game does next that matters. As Sir Pies said, the games never been in better shape. So let’s see it seriously invest in getting more people across the nation involved in the game. Not just getting an origin game every five years. But getting all forms of the game available to anybody who wants to participate. I heard an ARL official say that in the late 80s by the way. He basically said anybody who wants to play league should be able to do so. Must have been a lone voice at the time.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

have to admit vlados and red bears had a good informative debate where no one gets called dumb or stupid. Just chat like men. 0perth reds added stale bread to it of course but as a league lover it was enjoyable to read. thanks boomer and dude without a club, look forward to more stuff like this.

 

[Vlad59]

have to admit vlados and red bears had a good informative debate where no one gets called dumb or stupid. Just chat like men. 0perth reds added stale bread to it of course but as a league lover it was enjoyable to read. thanks boomer and dude without a club, look forward to more stuff like this.

Pints not schooners thanks

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Pints not schooners thanks

half blind billy can’t tell them apart because he is half blind

but jugs not pints that’s more like it

 

[Trifili13]

I thought I had logged onto the wrong league forum or missed the memo that we should all make a new year's resolution to be cordial to each other in discussions. Congratulations to all that contributed to the above discussion. We might not all agree with each other but doesn't mean the other person is not a league supporter if they have a contrary view or don't agree with what the administration is doing.

 

[MugaB]

The revenue goes back to the clubs and players that produce the product. No product = no events.

Now that the game is finally in the midst of rebuilding its coffers to a point it can start investing properly I think you’ll start seeing more streaming into affiliated states.

But again how much do you actually spend if the only return is going to be a dozen players born in those states filtering into the NRL? There’s a vastly complex bigger picture that goes beyond your pout posts.

As for you reap what you sow comment, genuine question mate why do you even follow the game? All you seem to do is throw out little snarky comments like this time and time again. You know what the game has reaped? Biggest profits and revenue, participation numbers, viewership numbers, crowd attendances, merchandise sales, general growth of the game has ever seen. I’d say that’s a might fine sow.

That's just his go, watching the terrible admin over the pre covid era, stay insulated in the only areas that play the game, its fine, but its not expansion, if the game is to grow we need to back this current admin as much as possible, coz if and when the new teams come in, atleast they aren't all in only nsw/qld

 

[Wb1234]

Are the Drua attracting sponsors?

Yes loads

And their merchandise shop is making a killing

Someone posted the article before one of the kiwis maybe @matinuz

 

[Wb1234]

it maybe lost those things but it’s also in best position it’s ever been. so is it really a loss?

reds just seems to have no concept of how things work. Like bears said you need extra money to be able to invest in something new that won’t hurt the proven winning product so if there’s no money then how can you invest? Even Half blind Bill at the local bowls 7 schooners deep can work that out

Afl states are more valuable than expanding to png, another Brisbane team or more nz teams

Because ????

I wouldn’t swap rugby leagues footprint for any other local sporting code

 

[Wb1234]

Sure, but does it all have to? The arlc’s remit is not just to produce nrl players, as Important and that is. it’s also to grow the game at all levels across Australia. It could eearn a billion $ a year but of it doesn’t have a vision for national growth then it doesn’t matter how much they earn, they’ll continue to spend it in the same places.

if they are earning more revenue from these states buying events than they would normally is it too big an ask to see some of that money going back into growing the game in those states?

the games finally in an upward trajectory let’s hope we see some of the sugar sprinkled everywhere for a change.

Grow the game across nz Australia png and Tonga Samoa and Fiji

The nrl has been an international comp since 95

The focus on Australia is clearly outdated thinking and not fit for rugby league

 

[blue bags]

I'd like to talk through the benefits of Ipswich Jets linking up with Newtown Jets.
From a financial perspective how does this benefit Ipswich's bid to join the NRL? I'm hearing that a union with Newtown will bring in finance via John Singleton, but is that going to a groundbreaking level of finance?
There must be better options on the table for Ipswich. Any suggestions folks?

I read singo has indicated up to $40 million
Towards the franchise
JET'S

 

[The Daddy3]

I read singo has indicated up to $40 million
Towards the franchise
JET'S

Is that gonna be enough? Considering the PNG and Perth clubs will start with several hundred million.

 

[Shaggy55]

It's becoming clear that a 3rd Brisbane team is unlikely to be considered as the 18th club, I would also say that it's unlikely to also be the 19th club unless prospective bids drop out or the PNG bid falls through, which is a possibility.

There are many permutations that can be adopted for anyone of the Brisbane bids, Easts Tigers go it alone, Ipswich Jets go it alone perhaps?

Firstly, I don't see a 3rd Brisbane club joining the NRL for a while. It seems as though the consensus is to give both the Gold Coast Titans and the Dolphins time to grow as organisations. It doesn't make sense at this point to bring in a 3rd Brisbane club until Gold Coast especially has created some sort of legacy or positive tangible impact locally and on the competition.

This is not to say that there shouldn't be a 3rd Brisbane club at all, but the appointment of a 20th NRL club should be delayed to give Brisbane3 the best possible chance of being successful. This is because a 3rd Brisbane club would potentially bring so much value to comp. Why is there a rush to bring in a 20th club, there's no need to rush. Let's give the Titans, Dolphins, Club 18 and 19 time to bed in.
If the NRL rushes to appoint a 20th club it will likely not be Brisbane3.

Now if a 3rd Brisbane club is to enter the comp, what form would it take that would make it successful and bring value without cannibalising the Brisbane market?

It's been suggested on here before so I'm not going to take credit for it. But the best Brisbane3 bid would be one led by Easts Tigers that involves a merger or involvement with Ipswich Jets. That way you get a cashed up Easts club and the branding and location of the Ipswich Jets (that means the western corridor would be a key target area of the club). This is the only way a Brisbane3 club would be of benefit to the competition and RL in Queensland.

How does Brisbane Jets sound?

Surely, there's enough NRL in Brisbane at the moment.

Shouldn't the next step in expansion be looking to Adelaide and Perth with, maybe, a second franchise in Melbourne ?