Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

[SirPies&Beers]

There is still a valid place for the part-time rugby league pathway

Statewide Qld Cup full fills this

A statewide NSW-RMC would do the same

Might as well make it all pro and merge the two comps. No point isolating regional centers even more than they currently is.

saying all that if it were to theoretically happen then nswrl would also need to add 2 or 3 regional clubs into the fold.

just would mean nrl clubs could have more than one feeder. No different to how some operate now. I just donts like the idea of further pulling away from regional hubs when they produce some of our best talent hands down and to be honest are the heart of our kangaroo squads when you think about it.

 

[Colk]

Might as well make it all pro and merge the two comps. No point isolating regional centers even more than they currently is.

saying all that if it were to theoretically happen then nswrl would also need to add 2 or 3 regional clubs into the fold.

just would mean nrl clubs could have more than one feeder. No different to how some operate now. I just donts like the idea of further pulling away from regional hubs when they produce some of our best talent hands down and to be honest are the heart of our kangaroo squads when you think about it.

It would mark more sense for the NSW Cup to replicate the Queensland Cup to foster greater connections to regional areas.

 

[steeden.]

It would mark more sense for the NSW Cup to replicate the Queensland Cup to foster greater connections to regional areas.

You’re misunderstanding NSW: Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong.
They have their bases covered

 

[parrawentyfan]

Make a country team and bring back this gem of a jersey

 

[Colk]

You’re misunderstanding NSW: Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong.
They have their bases covered

I was thinking more Coffs Harbour, Tamworth, Dubbo etc

 

[steeden.]

I was thinking more Coffs Harbour, Tamworth, Dubbo etc

Agreed 100%, they really should. the only impediment I could see is that the NSW-based NRL teams (except Cronulla) want to have their setup vertically integrated and have the name the whole way through, while we are (for now) happy to have other teams that lead for juniors and pathways.

I wouldn’t be against Tweed joining the NSW Cup - it would remove the double seagulls issue, and go back to an even number of teams, but the travel costs would blow out flying to Sydney every other week

 

[flippikat]

I am a fan and that’s why I am critical. There are a whole bunch of us out there.

I remember (vaguely because I was very young) the problems that we had from the mid to late 90’s. Do we really want teams in a competition that will only win one or two games a year and otherwise get flogged every week (Cowboys, Crushers, Magpies for example). That was also a time where we had much better halves and more skill present. I’m seeing us going down that road and it is worrying.

The possible scenario I can see is via talent dilution, a club/clubs plummeting to 4 wins at most per season - and getting stuck in that rut for several years (maybe close to a decade), as those clubs become less desirable for decent players and sponsors to sign with, perpetuating their lowly status.

Then some event like another pandemic or a contraction in TV rights money hits all teams, but those chained to the floor feel it the most & that forces their board/owners to make tough calls because "there is no alternative".

 

[Colk]

The possible scenario I can see is via talent dilution, a club/clubs plummeting to 4 wins at most per season - and getting stuck in that rut for several years (maybe close to a decade), as those clubs become less desirable for decent players and sponsors to sign with, perpetuating their lowly status.

Then some event like another pandemic or a contraction in TV rights money hits all teams, but those chained to the floor feel it the most & that forces their board/owners to make tough calls because "there is no alternative".

You see it in other sports but a lot of those sports have the resources of a draft. Now that doesn’t guarantee anything but if they make the right calls they can drag themselves back up.

 

[flippikat]

You see it in other sports but a lot of those sports have the resources of a draft. Now that doesn’t guarantee anything but if they make the right calls they can drag themselves back up.

A draft is most effective when the up-and-coming players have no other well-earning options outside the draft.

American major sports leagues often don't have other non-draft options where players can go and make that sort of money.

The NRL has rugby union where up and coming players could potentially make a reasonable salary & career - and not be told where they're playing by some draft system... especially as rookies don't get big money from day 1.

Could be Super Rugby, could be Europe, could in some cases be Japan.. point is, it's not comparable to the American sports leagues where rookies get money that's far and away more than what they could get elsewhere.

A real dilemma for the NRL is if they get two teams that "hit the wall" in very similar ways - one in Sydney, one a regional team. How the NRL handles that is a real minefield.

 

[Colk]

A draft is most effective when the up-and-coming players have no other well-earning options outside the draft.

American major sports leagues often don't have other non-draft options where players can go and make that sort of money.

The NRL has rugby union where up and coming players could potentially make a reasonable salary & career - and not be told where they're playing by some draft system... especially as rookies don't get big money from day 1.

Could be Super Rugby, could be Europe, could in some cases be Japan.. point is, it's not comparable to the American sports leagues where rookies get money that's far and away more than what they could get elsewhere.

Totally agree and that’s the problem with the NRL.

 

[flippikat]

Totally agree and that’s the problem with the NRL.

The solution is a draft with big starting salaries for those drafted - bigger than what they could make in RU.

But to do that means everyone else in the NRL would need a salary bump too.

 

[mongoose]

The talent will be diluted by expansion but I don't buy that this will create a group of have's and have not's any further than what already exists. I don't think the issues around certain clubs always being up the top and others near the bottom has much to do with uneven rosters or talent. Just look at all the players the Panthers have lost since 2021 - Matt Burton, Villame Kikau, Api Koriosu, Jerome Luai, James Fisher-Harris, Spencer Leniu, Sunia Turuva plus several more.... that a ridiculous amount of talent they have had to shed, many of those they have replaced with players other clubs didn't even want!

 

[SirPies&Beers]

The talent will be diluted by expansion but I don't buy that this will create a group of have's and have not's any further than what already exists. I don't think the issues around certain clubs always being up the top and others near the bottom has much to do with uneven rosters or talent. Just look at all the players the Panthers have lost since 2021 - Matt Burton, Villame Kikau, Api Koriosu, Jerome Luai, James Fisher-Harris, Spencer Leniu, Sunia Turuva plus several more.... that a ridiculous amount of talent they have had to shed, many of those they have replaced with players other clubs didn't even want!

It’s never been about player talent or lack of. It’s always been good coaches, systems and management being able to get the most of out talent,

there’s player talent everywhere. But good systems and management that can implement and drive it is far and few.

 

[Colk]

It’s never been about player talent or lack of. It’s always been good coaches, systems and management being able to get the most of out talent,

there’s player talent everywhere. But good systems and management that can implement and drive it is far and few.

Not enough good coaches either.

 

[siv]

If you're not ready for reserve grade at 21... I'll pass

Thats not the issue in many cases

Its more reserve grade is already full with players signed to future contracts due to the way the RLPA CBA is written applied

Also forwards take till 23-25 to mature

 

[Pippen94]

Not enough good coaches either.

Lol, like there's only a handful of people who can coach. Many can do it just need the chance.

 

[Pippen94]

Does it? It is more likely going to create more bad teams.

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Look at the players who got run with Mariners for example that otherwise would've been in reserve grade.

 

[Billythekid]

It’s never been about player talent or lack of. It’s always been good coaches, systems and management being able to get the most of out talent,

there’s player talent everywhere. But good systems and management that can implement and drive it is far and few.

It's 100% this and all the complaints about lack of talent ring hollow to me. Also we're about to add PNG which has the potential to be one of the biggest influxes of talent the game has ever seen.

Too many clubs are run like a chook raffle and nepotism is f**king rife in the NRL.

 

[jim_57]

It would mark more sense for the NSW Cup to replicate the Queensland Cup to foster greater connections to regional areas.

Never going to happen but…

Newtown
Mounties
Wentworthville
Blacktown
North Sydney
Western Suburbs
St Mary’s

Illawarra
Central Coast
Newcastle
Canberra/Queanbeyan
North Coast (Coffs Harbour)
Riverina (Wagga Wagga)

Fiji

 

[Wb1234]

When they had twelve teams have the comp was still crap

tv deals, crowds, finances and eventually player depth can easily cover 20 to 24 nrl teams

down the track the nrl needs to bring in proper salary cap rewards / exemptions for clubs who develop players

even in Sydney clubs don’t do enough let alone anywhere else