Bryce Cartwright "allegedly" pays side chick 50k for abortion

[Last Week]

Penrith have responded by offering to send their jerseys with the coat hanger still in it

This post deserves more likes and lol's, people.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

This thread lost weight all of a sudden.

I suspect it will go the way of the Mitchell Pearce dog thread. Suspended, told it would return, never did.

Well firstly Mitchell Pearce didn't make the dog pregnant.

 

[bileduct]

Lolwut. Men opt out all the time. Luckily they can't opt out of financial responsibilities.

The conundrum is that it is morally objectionable to force a party to have an optional surgical procedure, when they dont want one.

I don't see anywhere in the text messages or other evidence provided indicating this woman was forced to make this decision. What I do see is her being offered two choices. The "minimal support" offered was presumably his legal financial responsibility and nothing more. In fact, there were more choices available to her as she also had the option of giving the baby up for adoption if she felt she could not support it.

We're not hearing both sides of the story here, and unless Cartwright was unwilling to meet his financial responsibilities I'm unsure as to why any of this has been deemed to be in the public interest and is being discussed here.

 

[Mr Angry]

Off field stuff

 

[SBD82]

Cartwright has been aborted from my fantasy team. I'm tipping this is too much of a distraction for him to play good footy.

Would you say he was a 50k loss? Or 200k?

 

[Munted]

I've got a couple of female friends that have rung the club wanting a refund on their memberships

They won't go to a game why Bryce is at the club

Sweet, don't need these half assed fans anyway.

 

[Canard]

I don't see anywhere in the text messages or other evidence provided indicating this woman was forced to make this decision. What I do see is her being offered two choices. The "minimal support" offered was presumably his legal financial responsibility and nothing more. In fact, there were more choices available to her as she also had the option of giving the baby up for adoption if she felt she could not support it.

We're not hearing both sides of the story here, and unless Cartwright was unwilling to meet his financial responsibilities I'm unsure as to why any of this has been deemed to be in the public interest and is being discussed here.

To me the story is the 50k and the salary cap implications.

 

[TheFrog]

To me the story is the 50k and the salary cap implications.

If the club had been involved in any way whatsoever, do you really think there would not have been properly drawn up non-disclosure clauses in the document she signed? This sort of thing has probably happened many times before, but because it was managed properly you didn't hear about it.

We're not hearing both sides of the story here, and unless Cartwright was unwilling to meet his financial responsibilities I'm unsure as to why any of this has been deemed to be in the public interest and is being discussed here.

Some self-employed individuals might be able to evade child support, but someone in Bryce position couldn't, and the bad PR would be deafening.

 

[Lambretta]

If the club had been involved in any way whatsoever, do you really think there would not have been properly drawn up non-disclosure clauses in the document she signed? This sort of thing has probably happened many times before, but because it was managed properly you didn't hear about it.

Some self-employed individuals might be able to evade child support, but someone in Bryce position couldn't, and the bad PR would be deafening.

There may be a gulf between what someone is legally obligated to pay through child support and what it costs to raise a child or what someone expects to receive to raise a child

My father paid the required child support as dictated by the courts when he separated from my mother
My mother complained often about how she received "no financial assistance" from my father

Calculated annual living expenses (Government minimum figures) have an Australian earning $400,000 a year as needing $38,715 per annum as the absolute bare minimum to exist. Add in a child and that amount goes to $45,618 - In other words the Government dictates that the child costs you around $7,000 a year

If Bryce decided not to enter into a full time relationship with this person and had to pay child support then he may be required by the courts to only cover an amount similar to this.

Now I don't know the girl in this case (in fact I've read nothing about her, so I don't know her age etc) but if Bryce made it clear he was only going to pay the minimum amount required and offer no emotional support, then an amount of say $10,000 a year would have to be a factor in the decision of the person to abort. She had probably expected someone on a decent wage to offer slightly more and may have felt that his decision not to do so as unfair, or even as pressuring her to abort.

 

[Lambretta]

To me the story is the 50k and the salary cap implications.

If Bryce paid the $50k out of his own money, then there are no implications
If the club located the money, then the cap is affected

The NRL needs to investigate which it was. Their involvement in this matter ends there.

 

[myrrh ken]

I don't see anywhere in the text messages or other evidence provided indicating this woman was forced to make this decision.

What I do see is her being offered two choices. The "minimal support" offered was presumably his legal financial responsibility and nothing more. In fact, there were more choices available to her as she also had the option of giving the baby up for adoption if she felt she could not support it.

We're not hearing both sides of the story here, and unless Cartwright was unwilling to meet his financial responsibilities I'm unsure as to why any of this has been deemed to be in the public interest and is being discussed here.

That "forced" comment was off topic about a hypothetical. She was not forced here - I'd say maybe pressured. She could have also chosen to keep the baby and seen him in the family court.

Despite what the contract says a termination does not cost $50K (I think its less than $1K) and there aren't usually medical expenses. Its not "legal financial responsibility", it's hush money.

 

[bileduct]

That "forced" comment was off topic about a hypothetical. She was not forced here - I'd say maybe pressured. She could have also chosen to keep the baby and seen him in the family court.

Despite what the contract says a termination does not cost $50K (I think its less than $1K) and there aren't usually medical expenses. Its not "legal financial responsibility", it's hush money.

Who cares if it was hush money?

The facts remain - the text messages show that she was offered multiple choices and that there is nothing that indicates Cartwright was unwilling to fulfill his legal financial obligations towards her pregnancy and motherhood, which would include family court payments.

Unless proven otherwise this is a non-story.

 

[bileduct]

Some self-employed individuals might be able to evade child support, but someone in Bryce position couldn't, and the bad PR would be deafening.

Exactly.

 

[Valheru]

Sorry, is your point that blokes shouldn't have to pick up the tab financially if the woman decides to keep it and they don't?

If so, unless the woman is well off, there's not a lot of options for her to make. There will be a lot more abortions and a lot less casual rooting.

No that's not my point.

My point is a woman has a choice after the fact whereas a man doesn't. I know it is infeasible for it to be changed but you keep banging on about how it is morally corrupt to offer cash to the woman to get an abortion (which I agree with) but we can't talk about the other side of it and criticise a woman for getting an abortion without telling the father she is pregnant let alone notifying them of the procedure or god forbid asking them what their wishes are and at least talking through the options with them because that would not be PC and we don't want to offend the feminists.

 

[myrrh ken]

Mate you can talk about that all you want - no one is stopping you. I'm talking about this real life scenario.

Also, to be clear, the only thing I find a bit unpalatable is how Bryce went about what he did.

 

[myrrh ken]

Who cares if it was hush money?

The facts remain - the text messages show that she was offered multiple choices and that there is nothing that indicates Cartwright was unwilling to fulfill his legal financial obligations towards her pregnancy and motherhood, which would include family court payments.

Unless proven otherwise this is a non-story.

I agree with all that. Just thought you were equating his "legal financial responsibility" and "minimal support" with the $50K payment.

 

[franklin2323]

Lou Z has unloaded on her. Hopefully someone actually questions her on the points he mentioned

 

[bileduct]

I agree with all that. Just thought you were equating his "legal financial responsibility" and "minimal support" with the $50K payment.

No, because the "minimal support" offered by Cartwright was always in reference to her keeping the child.

 

[bileduct]

Lou Z has unloaded on her. Hopefully someone actually questions her on the points he mentioned

Link?

 

[TheFrog]

In other words the Government dictates that the child costs you around $7,000 a year

The Dept of Human Services calculator estimates $19,062 per annum for taxable incomes of $500k (non-custodial) and $100k (custodial) where the custodial parent has care 365 days a year. Or $22,101 where the custodial parent has income of $10,000 pa (more likely for the mother of an infant).

seen him in the family court.

You do not have to go to court to claim child support. You just fill in a form. This has been law since the late 80's.