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Bulldogs Issue

~knights~

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Disgusted !

That's what I think :evil:

Just when the Nrl were trying to bring more fans (women wre the target)to the game.

Bulldog players come out with this report. :x

Mr Gallop & co would be totally embarrassed by all this .
 

Doctor

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Even if these allegations prove untrue - at the very least this needs to be a wake-up call to all rugby league players, in fact all sportspeople to get their act together.

All this business about legal sex may well be correct, but it shouldn't remove the focus from the immaturity of those players that spoke to the Sun Herald. From what it sounds like, this kind of stupidity is running rife throughout league circles and seems to be an activity or lifestyle promoted within the team-environment.

Liberal rules governing the team activity do not help the situation. I would hope that many years of sports stars getting busted for alleged sexual assault would teach players to not even go there. At the very least, the players going around having inebriated one-night stands are irresponsible. At the worst, they face the possibility of going too far, misinterpreting flirting with seductive foreplay. Add alcohol to a player's immaturity and throw in some teammates encouragement, and you have a recipe for disaster down the track.

I hope all the clubs learn from this incident, even if the allegations prove untrue, and instead of encouraging their players to behave, they inform players that any moronic behaviour of this type will not be tolerated.

By the sounds of it, some of these men need a good wake-up face-slap, not another fine easily absorbed by their lucrative salaries.
 

gaterooze

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Too bloody right. If the NRL deal harshly enough with them (regardless of criminal charges) and make a concerted effort to change that culture, then their push for female supporters will gain even more momentum.

Bring women into the game's structure at various levels to help adjust the troublesome blokes, and give League a whole new image.
 

~knights~

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Nice timing guys :roll:

From smh site

Rugby league's plan to attract more young women has been badly damaged. Candace Sutton and Eamonn Duff report.

Just before dusk on Wednesday in the Cargo Hall of Sydney's Overseas Passenger terminal, National Rugby League chief executive David Gallop will usher in the new season at a glitzy cocktail party.

In the audience will be several hundred of Sydney's best-known somebodies.

A week ago, the looming official 2004 premiership launch by the harbour of the best and toughest rugby league competition in the world seemed appropriately exciting.

Flashing up on the television screen, in an advertising campaign designed to attract female spectators, will be "rugby league's hottest new male pin-ups".

They bound bare-chested from the surf, lope along the beach and mingle with devoted fans, all to the pulsing background music of the Hoodoo Gurus.

The $3 million commercial was engineered to boost crowds and revenue by a code anxious to shed its bloke-heavy image.

The success of the 2003 Rugby World Cup, particularly among women fans, gave its brother code the confidence that this year it could further flex its marketing muscle.

But at Coffs Harbour's Pacific Bay resort in the early hours of last Sunday morning, the ground was laid for a series of claims and counterclaims which now make the launch seem strangely out of kilter.


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Exactly what occurred when a young woman met members of the Canterbury Bulldogs is now the subject of at least two inquiries, one by the police and one by the NRL.

But whatever the findings, Gallop, as much as any guest at his glittering party, knows things have got off to a shocking start for "the greatest game of all". In a business sense and every other sense.

NRL marketing director Paul Kind says that last year "everything was up - crowds, TV ratings, merchandise, website traffic, sponsorship and corporate hospitality sales".

What seemed eminently possible at the end of 2003 now seems faintly out of grasp.

In 2004, before the first kick-off of the competition proper, the stories leaking out of Coffs Harbour sound like a bad old movie.

Ugly stories of sexual assault - and even a tale of one player spitting on the 20-year-old victim when she refused him.

What's true? Gallop can only wait for the result of the police inquiry.

More sure is that the code must be suffering from the impact, especially on that desirable new market: as yet unconverted women.

If female rugby union followers were looking for a quick footy fix, post World Cup, with the more loutish league, the websites of Canterbury Bulldogs fans are a poor place to start.

Within 24 hours of the alleged assault numerous fans, of both sexes, had deemed the woman "a s**t" who had maligned their beloved Doggies.

"Christabella", for instance, posted on the http://www.nospam25.com.au this sentiment: "There's no other club out there who I believe could fight back as well as the Doggies do and a good part of this is due to the huge amount of passion that us supporters have for the club . . .

"I heard that she slept with three players in one night. There's only one word you can use to dicribe [sic] someone like that."

In a reference to the Bulldogs' 2002 salary cap scandal and sexual assault allegations made about the team a year ago at the same Coffs Harbour hotel, she was nevertheless confident that "like all other scandals that have plagued this club, this one will be sorted out in time".

But it's not a Bulldog-exclusive problem Gallop and the NRL have to wrestle with.

In the 2003 Canterbury incident, a 42-year-old married woman complained that, after consensual sex with one player, she became distressed when another player became involved and a third watched.

The Sydney Morning Herald sports reporter Jacqueline Magnay said group sex had almost become a rite of passage in rugby league.

"So condoned has the act been in the past," she said, "one league coach encouraged his representative team to indulge in the practice in a bid to enhance the male-bonding process."

The NRL has made desperate efforts to clean up the act of clubs that have gained a reputation for bad behaviour.

Players are put through a number of progams that are centrally run by the NRL and many of the clubs' individual progams are run in conjunction with those guidelines.

There are, for instance, courses on cultural awareness, which includes racial vilification and sexual, racial or religious discrimination.

On players and the law, this relates most closely to the current Bulldogs investigation.

It deals with players' rights under the law, alcohol-fuelled incidents, assault and sexual assault and how players can expect to be treated differently from other members of the public because of their high profile.

A lecture is given by a former professional athlete.

As part of the program, free counselling is available to players and their families. All players also receive media training, financial planning advice and help with career transition once their football careers are finished.

After breaching the salary cap in 2002, the Bulldogs shed officials and 37 competition points and paid a $500,000 fine.

Gallop said then that the game of league "has had its heart broken in an unexpected and tragic way".

Sports marketer Leo Karis -who manages cricketer Mark Waugh and soccer player Paul Okon - does not believe the Coffs Harbour rape allegations, whatever the outcome, will break league's heart or any other part of its frame.

"It's the best rugby league competition in the world," he said. "The NRL will continue to focus on what it's best at, the football.

"Each season the players get stronger, the game gets faster and constantly improves. Rugby league is underpinned by lucrative television contracts. It has enormous marketing muscle and I don't see that in the long run this issue will affect the marketing of the code."

But women can be fickle customers, and sponsors sensitive to their own need to appeal to a blended audience.

Car and electronics companies believe women make major purchasing decisions.

And, in the case of Canterbury, last week retailer Bing Lee suspended negotiations to become a sleeve sponsor until the latest inquiry is completed.

No company wants its products associated with the lurid allegations that have been made.

That includes die-hard Doggies fans.

Among the vile messages posted on the web last week was: "Maybe she got all psycho on them and they told her to piss off. Maybe that's why she started this. As some sick form of payback. Who knows? All I know is they are innocent."

But there was also "Lauren", who said that if the worst of the allegations were true, she was walking.

"I've supported the blue and white since I could walk, but if it's true . . . I couldn't stand by the club," she said.

As he raises his glass to toast in the new season on Wednesday, David Gallop may be nervous.

Girls flock to AFL games. They loved the Rugby World Cup. All his dreams of luring them into league may come to nothing.
 

princess plj

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i am not a fan of the bulldogs at all, but with this new scandal it really leaves a bad taste in ur mouth- whether they are guilty or not - i just feel disgusted by it. i know there are more than 2 sides to the story and we are never going to hear the truth..but there always seems to be problems with the dogs.

i know it could happen to any football club- give them a few drinks and who knows what could happen...all i can say as girl, just stay far away....
 

~bedsy~

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Look all men don't go out for a drink and then feel the need to sleep with any women. All I know is that it is a big disgrace.
 

princess plj

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i know it could happen to any football club- give them a few drinks and who knows what could happen...all i can say as girl, just stay far away....[/quote]

i am going to rephrase this: as a stereotyple we always here that sportsmen give them as few drinks and then they land up in trouble and its all over the paper well some of them. i know it happens in everday life, but when you are constantly in the spotlight, you do something wrong- your dirty laundry is going to be spread all over the news.
 

Alex28

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but thats the thing - typically it isnt spread in newspapers and the like. the bulldogs have a thing for a "gang bang" and in all reality the extent of what they get up to came across as a bit of a shock to me (i gathered stuff happened - just not to the extent that that was a 'normal night' for them). for the most of it what happens on tour, stays on tour and if it wasnt that this woman has cried rape, it would continue to happen.

the bulldogs management have tried their best to repair the damage done to the club but the players have acted appalling ever since the event happened - telling women journalists that they will "come all over them", urinating on the training field in front of cameras, and now this article in which not only have they admitted they have got together to make sure they have the same story (which may affect police investigations given players may lie to protect other players), they have taken the story to the media before the police investigation is complete.

just astounding...
 

astrogirl

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More from the SMH

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/29/1077989436946.html

Disgusted league chief to widen Bulldogs inquiry
By Jacquelin Magnay and Brad Walter
March 1, 2004

The National Rugby League will expand its rape inquiry to cover one Bulldog's claim that group sex is not unusual within the club or the code as police said they would now ask all 24 players who were at the Coffs Harbour resort to provide DNA samples.

The NRL chief executive, David Gallop, yesterday lashed out at the comment by an unnamed Bulldogs player, reported in The Sun-Herald, that "gang-banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league".

He said: "I'm disgusted by the comment and make no mistake it will now form part of the matters under investigation by the NRL."

In the newspaper report, Bulldogs also claimed that the woman had been encouraging group sex with the players and boasting about it.

Strikeforce McGuigon will begin questioning the club's players tomorrow and gathering evidence before considering whether criminal charges will be laid over the allegations involving a 20-year-old woman at the Pacific Bay Resort last week.

Previously, police had focused on obtaining forensic evidence from the six alleged attackers, but now every Bulldogs player who was staying at the resort will be asked to provide a DNA sample.

The Bulldogs chief executive, Steve Mortimer, said the club had engaged its own legal counsel and would provide representation for any player who wanted it. Some had already organised their own legal advice.

Mr Mortimer said he would urge the players to provide the DNA samples and not stonewall. "We are encouraging them, very much so. We are on the front foot in bringing a finality to this police investigation."

Last week Mr Mortimer assured Coffs Harbour detectives that the players would co-operate but said that any agreement about providing a statement and consenting to a DNA test would have to be between the player and the police.

Some player managers said their charges would freely provide the DNA tests. However, many players did not realise they would have to submit to the tests, believing that only the six accused players would be involved.

One manager said: "My bloke doesn't have a problem giving the DNA because he was asleep in his room at the time."

Police said the one-week delay in obtaining statements from the players was normal. It would have been unlawful to have detained them in Coffs Harbour because the woman had not finished making her statement.

Police had briefly interviewed four Bulldogs players and obtained their contact details before allowing them to board their flight back to Sydney on the afternoon of February 22. But the time lapse has given players plenty of opportunity to compare and corroborate stories.

The players aired their version of events in front of each other during a "truth meeting" last week. They will claim that the woman had consensual sex with eight players on the previous Wednesday night and that she encouraged further sexual encounters on the Sunday morning after the trial game.

During the truth meeting one player admitted having had sex with the woman on the Sunday morning, but others claimed they had rejected her alleged invitations. Mortimer said he had asked the players about The Sun-Herald report.

"The players have categorically denied talking to the media and, as CEO, I have to believe them. I am not acknowledging the accuracy of the story, but things in the article I would never, ever condone."

The player managers say their players are being closely questioned by their girlfriends and wives about activities on club trips.

"It is like there has been this tidal wave of interrogation," one manager said. "The blokes are copping it from all sides, even ones that are at other clubs . . . the wives, the girlfriends, even their dads are putting the heat on."

Mr Gallop said it was too early to disclose details of a report being compiled by the NRL's investigator, Ken Bowditch.
 

Grantwhy

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astrogirl said:
From the SMH site:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/28/1077677016584.html

Team is confident that no charges will be laid
EXCLUSIVE | By Danny Weidler
February 29, 2004

The Bulldogs players at the centre of last week's sexual assault allegations yesterday broke their silence to give their own version of events for the first time.

In a remarkably frank series of statements, team members who this week face police interrogation and DNA tests at the hands of a special strike force, admitted there were wild parties and group sex during their stay at Coffs Harbour.

But they insisted it was consensual, and that no serious charges would be laid once police had completed their inquires.

The players spoke to The Sun-Herald after a week under siege. Sensational headlines and sordid allegations over what took place at the Coffs Harbour Pacific Bay Resort last weekend have followed them for seven days.

It has made some members of the Bulldogs 25-man squad angry enough to speak out despite the fact that it would put them in breach of club rules.

This week, Strike Force McGuigon will videotape interviews with a group of Bulldogs players, and take DNA swabs for testing.

But The Sun-Herald can reveal that the team members maintain they are confident the tests will show that their version of what happened between them and a 20-year-old Coffs Harbour woman is correct.

The Sun-Herald has tried continuously to seek the story of the woman herself, but she and friends have refused to give interviews.

The Bulldogs players aired their stories at a "truth meeting" last week, during which they were asked to give their version of events in front of each other.

"Unless there are blokes in the team lying to us all, we have nothing to worry about," one player told The Sun-Herald.

After hearing what his players had to say, they pointed out, coach Steve Folkes was prepared to go on air and defend his players.

None of those who spoke to The Sun-Herald was willing to be named.

Their version will shock many readers and, no doubt, provoke an angry reaction from many fans and even the NRL.

But, the players insisted, none of what took place was an offence. Nor was it that unusual in the testosterone-charged world of their game.

They insisted they were keen to give statements to the police about the behaviour of the woman at the centre of the allegations.

The players said the woman first came to the team's attention on the Wednesday night before their game with Canberra last Saturday.

Their version of events was that she had sex with eight Bulldog players on that night at their resort hotel. They said she was encouraging group sex and boasting about it.

"She was pointing to the guys and counting one, two, three, four, five, six and saying she has had more guys than that before," said one player. "She was saying she has made porn before."

Inexplicably, she also told the team members she had breast cancer.

At the end of the night, the players maintained, the woman was put in a cab by the player she first had sex with at the Plantation nightclub in Coffs Harbour. After their victory over Canberra last Saturday, the Canterbury players said, the alleged victim was at the Plantation club and was keen to come back to the team hotel.

It was, they said, around 5am and the woman was trying to get a cab.

They claimed she had a run-in with Bulldog forward Willie Mason after she tried to jump in a cab he was sharing with other players, including Braith Anasta.

"Willie was standing there with Willie Tonga and Bob Cat [Andrew Ryan] and then she tried to jump in his cab and he told her to f---- off," said one player. "He did not know she was the 'bun-chick' [a girl who had engaged in group sex] from the other night.

"She spat at him, told him that footballers were no good. She told the players that she owned the place and she was off to get the bouncers."

When she finally arrived at the Pacific Bay Resort, she had consensual sex with one player in his room, the players said.

Later, she was being escorted to a cab when she spotted a girlfriend and other players at the hotel pool.

She elected to stay.

Around 7am, one hour before the team was due to gather for an 8am recovery session, she climbed in the pool herself and was trying to lure team members in with her, the players said.

She was naked, they claimed, and saying: "C'mon boys, are you scared to show your bodies to me?"

One said: "Two blokes were walking past and she was asking them to come into the pool and f--- her.

"They said they just ignored her and went back to their rooms. She was saying, "Come and get in the pool" as she was getting her clothes off.

"Earlier on she was knocking on all the blokes' doors trying to get in but they were asleep. They really did not want anything to do with her because they thought she was a scrag."

Another player said: "Everyone told her to go away and wanted nothing to do with her. I don't know what happened to make her so hysterical.

"When we talked as a team only one bloke said he had sex with her that morning. Maybe she had a reality check and realised the position she was in."

The player insisted: "Don't think she was an innocent player in all this. After the Wednesday night she gave her number to one of the boys and said, 'Come around and bring the whole team around.' "

One player said it was just a typical night for some of the Canterbury players.

"Some of the boys love a 'bun'," one said. "Gang banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league."


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The revelations in this article are much less than charming. IMO at best it sounds like it is possible that league players misuse their "celebrity", if it is in fact true that "Gang banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league."

You know what I find odd about this story?

This story seems to be entirely based on quotes from Bulldogs players but the official line from the Bulldogs is that none of their players are speaking to the media.

The story could be based on second hand information though. I would love to know.


Oh, and as character assassinations go, this story has to be up there with the best.

If there are charges laid couldn't stories like this make it hard for there to be a fair trial?
 

gaterooze

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It reeks of BS to me. The things quoted from the Dogs players are the height of stupidity for them to tell the media, whether true or not. Why don't the SMH name the sources of the quotes? They could basically print ANYTHING and claim it was said by "a Bulldogs player".

If it turns out some of this is fabricated or second-hand hearsay, then the SMH will be facing a HUGE lawsuit from the NRL, because this could really damage their new "anti-blokey" launch this week.

The timing just seems too perfect for these particular journos who have been trying to stick the boot into League for years.

I'm not saying nothing happened, but the way things have been dealt with by these "journalists" since the incident have just been astonishing. So much second-hand info, inconsistent stories, sensationalism and generalisation...
 

Doctor

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gaterooze said:
It reeks of BS to me. The things quoted from the Dogs players are the height of stupidity for them to tell the media, whether true or not. Why don't the SMH name the sources of the quotes? They could basically print ANYTHING and claim it was said by "a Bulldogs player".

If it turns out some of this is fabricated or second-hand hearsay, then the SMH will be facing a HUGE lawsuit from the NRL, because this could really damage their new "anti-blokey" launch this week.

The timing just seems too perfect for these particular journos who have been trying to stick the boot into League for years.

I'm not saying nothing happened, but the way things have been dealt with by these "journalists" since the incident have just been astonishing. So much second-hand info, inconsistent stories, sensationalism and generalisation...

Journalists have every right, in fact every responsibility, to protect their source if he/she wishes to remain anonymous. They legally cannot name their source if their source has expressed a desire to have their name off the record prior to an interview.

It is also career-suicide to interview a player on the grounds they won't be named, and then backflip on the agreement and name them anyway - you could be guarenteed that no-one would trust you again.

You are right though - what is stopping a journalist from making up anything they like? If no-one is talking, then they almost have freedom of quoting because no-one is prepared to deny claims.

Regarding the SMH Journalists - they are just quoting the Sun Herald's sources and cannot be found in breech of anything. I think you will find that most television and radio news bulletins will carry the "according to a Sun Herald interview" line.

the bulldogs have a thing for a "gang bang" and in all reality the extent of what they get up to came across as a bit of a shock to me (i gathered stuff happened - just not to the extent that that was a 'normal night' for them). for the most of it what happens on tour, stays on tour and if it wasnt that this woman has cried rape, it would continue to happen.

As I said yesterday, this concerns me. Forget about the alleged attack on the girl. How are players generally, getting into this position in the first place. If these generalisations about team activities are in fact true, it gives a worrying insight into the mindset and the arrogance of some players.

I would hope that if this sort of thing is widespread, that the clubs would get serious about so called "gang bang" incidents. Illegal or not, it is immoral, irresponsible and out of character for people who should, in theory, be setting an acceptable standard for the public.
 

antonius

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Gotta say I have deliberately stayed out of posting about this, I am thinking it's best to wait until the investigations are done and people are either charged or not. Debating stuff reported in the paper about this topic is fraught with danger. We all know what papers are like, "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" Anything written in the papers divide by ten, then halve it, and you'll be close to what is fact. Speculating in here will do nothing to get answers, These threads (both here and all the other LU forums) are all just going round and round in circles. My suggestion is let this story take it's course. Then offer opinion. Time is better spent talking about the footy, and our team IMO. I wont lock the thread unless I'm told to, or an admin does it. But really I can't see the point in going over and over old ground./
 

Andy

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Bedseys Achillies said:
somehow i don;t think they had anything to do with it...

Yes I know what you mena, but that's only your speculation.

It's like a cop saying... "Well I think I'm going to book you because I just feel as though you're the kind of person who would speed, even though I clocked you at 55 in a 60 zone..."
 

Doctor

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antonius said:
Gotta say I have deliberately stayed out of posting about this, I am thinking it's best to wait until the investigations are done and people are either charged or not. Debating stuff reported in the paper about this topic is fraught with danger. We all know what papers are like, "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" Anything written in the papers divide by ten, then halve it, and you'll be close to what is fact. Speculating in here will do nothing to get answers, These threads (both here and all the other LU forums) are all just going round and round in circles. My suggestion is let this story take it's course. Then offer opinion. Time is better spent talking about the footy, and our team IMO. I wont lock the thread unless I'm told to, or an admin does it. But really I can't see the point in going over and over old ground./

I saw the same logic prior to posting too Tony.

However, the current investigation into the alleged attack on the 20 year old has opened up whole new channels of discussion - for instance: why are players even in this position? Should they simply be told what to do, or should clubs enforce the use of a male chaperone of sorts?

It is all based on speculation, but we do have past incidents to think of when we discuss the broader issue of player behaviour.

The fact the investigations are still going tells me that the players were in a position that they shouldn't have been in as a group. If they engage in immoral activity outside of the club environment then that is their problem.

But surely the issue of player behaviour, when they are gathered as team-mates, is worth investigating.
The current police investigations have only fueled a broader discussion on player conduct - do you agree that this broader issue needs addressing Tony?
 
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