Bulldogs Issue

[antonius]

2HD used to be great for getting all the latest Knights news when Aaron K was on, as soon as he left the place was a desert in the afternoon, the bloke who replaced him is their programing guy, and all I can say about him is he should have stuck to programming, he has the personality of a rock.

 

[northey]

ANDY... great comment

 

[antonius]

Melon Is BLIND :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nah he can see as well as anyone, it's just that his head is always up his ass. :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That's what I was getting at "Pretty dark up there"

 

[Andy]

Rubbish... Don't try and steal my thunder Tony!!!

 

[Simplycheeky]

Antonius, Like you I haven't really listened to 2HD since Aaron left but I was tuning in the other day and heard that guy Gavin Morris who seems to have taken over the drivetime show. Haven't really got an opinion of him as yet but he seems to be better than Warren. IMO.
In all honesty I haven't read all 4 pages of this thread so I am not sure if I am repeating someone else but ...what I don't understand about the whole Bulldogs drama is, how is it that the players haven't been named(which is probably the right thing to do as they haven't been found guilty of anything to date) when after what could have been an incorrect blood/urine testing Robbie and Mad Dog were named and convicted in the eyes of the public BEFORE their second blood/urine tests were processed?
Yes we all know what the outcome eventually was, but why the differing standards. Is it because this case could be criminal?

 

[Doctor]

what I don't understand about the whole Bulldogs drama is, how is it that the players haven't been named(which is probably the right thing to do as they haven't been found guilty of anything to date) when after what could have been an incorrect blood/urine testing Robbie and Mad Dog were named and convicted in the eyes of the public BEFORE their second blood/urine tests were processed?
Yes we all know what the outcome eventually was, but why the differing standards. Is it because this case could be criminal?

In a drugs case, it is a formal test that has confirmed they had banned drugs in their system - there is the evidence.

At this stage there is no evidence to charge any Bulldogs player with anything - well at least from what we've heard. Until such time as an official test confirms a player's guilt, or police charge a specific player, there is no legal way of naming a player.

Drugs is a bit different too - no-one knows anything about any drugs until the tests are made public, media releases written and players called to answer the charges and/or stood down from training/matches.

This is different - the alleged victim has told the public (through the media), her version of the alleged events and while names haven't been published, there are apparently specific names floating around (although I honestly haven't heard any names besides the usual "Bulldogs players").

With NSW Police investigations, it is innocent until proven guilty (or at least charged with something). With NRL drug-takers, the evidence and names emerge first, for all the public to know.

 

[Razor]

This is different - the alleged victim has told the public (through the media), her version of the alleged events and while names haven't been published, there are apparently specific names floating around

I've recieved 2 different e-mails both listing 6 players, but there are 9 different names.

Until such time as an official test confirms a player's guilt, or police charge a specific player, there is no legal way of naming a player.

What about the various coaches who have been named publicly of alledged child molestation before any evidence surfuces? Just the allegation. And 9 times out of 10 they are cleared due to lack of evidence.

I'm not saying they should be named, but it does seem to change in different circumstances.

 

[Simplycheeky]

What about the various coaches who have been named publicly of alledged child molestation before any evidence surfuces? Just the allegation. And 9 times out of 10 they are cleared due to lack of evidence.

Exactly! This is what I don't understand. How can one person be publicly scritinised on an alledged charge....yet others be given the benefit of the doubt. Does it depend on whether you get on well with the media? Cynical I know but what else can be the answer.

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[B.L.L.G]

Told ya`s!
This morning the report is that she is promiscuous!
Apparently she has slept with 8 guys two night before it happen.
Told ya they`d dish the dirt on her to discredit her.

I knew it!
They searched into her character man and found out that she is the source of all things evil.

 

[astrogirl]

From the SMH site:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/28/1077677016584.html

Team is confident that no charges will be laid
EXCLUSIVE | By Danny Weidler
February 29, 2004

The Bulldogs players at the centre of last week's sexual assault allegations yesterday broke their silence to give their own version of events for the first time.

In a remarkably frank series of statements, team members who this week face police interrogation and DNA tests at the hands of a special strike force, admitted there were wild parties and group sex during their stay at Coffs Harbour.

But they insisted it was consensual, and that no serious charges would be laid once police had completed their inquires.

The players spoke to The Sun-Herald after a week under siege. Sensational headlines and sordid allegations over what took place at the Coffs Harbour Pacific Bay Resort last weekend have followed them for seven days.

It has made some members of the Bulldogs 25-man squad angry enough to speak out despite the fact that it would put them in breach of club rules.

This week, Strike Force McGuigon will videotape interviews with a group of Bulldogs players, and take DNA swabs for testing.

But The Sun-Herald can reveal that the team members maintain they are confident the tests will show that their version of what happened between them and a 20-year-old Coffs Harbour woman is correct.

The Sun-Herald has tried continuously to seek the story of the woman herself, but she and friends have refused to give interviews.

The Bulldogs players aired their stories at a "truth meeting" last week, during which they were asked to give their version of events in front of each other.

"Unless there are blokes in the team lying to us all, we have nothing to worry about," one player told The Sun-Herald.

After hearing what his players had to say, they pointed out, coach Steve Folkes was prepared to go on air and defend his players.

None of those who spoke to The Sun-Herald was willing to be named.

Their version will shock many readers and, no doubt, provoke an angry reaction from many fans and even the NRL.

But, the players insisted, none of what took place was an offence. Nor was it that unusual in the testosterone-charged world of their game.

They insisted they were keen to give statements to the police about the behaviour of the woman at the centre of the allegations.

The players said the woman first came to the team's attention on the Wednesday night before their game with Canberra last Saturday.

Their version of events was that she had sex with eight Bulldog players on that night at their resort hotel. They said she was encouraging group sex and boasting about it.

"She was pointing to the guys and counting one, two, three, four, five, six and saying she has had more guys than that before," said one player. "She was saying she has made porn before."

Inexplicably, she also told the team members she had breast cancer.

At the end of the night, the players maintained, the woman was put in a cab by the player she first had sex with at the Plantation nightclub in Coffs Harbour. After their victory over Canberra last Saturday, the Canterbury players said, the alleged victim was at the Plantation club and was keen to come back to the team hotel.

It was, they said, around 5am and the woman was trying to get a cab.

They claimed she had a run-in with Bulldog forward Willie Mason after she tried to jump in a cab he was sharing with other players, including Braith Anasta.

"Willie was standing there with Willie Tonga and Bob Cat [Andrew Ryan] and then she tried to jump in his cab and he told her to f---- off," said one player. "He did not know she was the 'bun-chick' [a girl who had engaged in group sex] from the other night.

"She spat at him, told him that footballers were no good. She told the players that she owned the place and she was off to get the bouncers."

When she finally arrived at the Pacific Bay Resort, she had consensual sex with one player in his room, the players said.

Later, she was being escorted to a cab when she spotted a girlfriend and other players at the hotel pool.

She elected to stay.

Around 7am, one hour before the team was due to gather for an 8am recovery session, she climbed in the pool herself and was trying to lure team members in with her, the players said.

She was naked, they claimed, and saying: "C'mon boys, are you scared to show your bodies to me?"

One said: "Two blokes were walking past and she was asking them to come into the pool and f--- her.

"They said they just ignored her and went back to their rooms. She was saying, "Come and get in the pool" as she was getting her clothes off.

"Earlier on she was knocking on all the blokes' doors trying to get in but they were asleep. They really did not want anything to do with her because they thought she was a scrag."

Another player said: "Everyone told her to go away and wanted nothing to do with her. I don't know what happened to make her so hysterical.

"When we talked as a team only one bloke said he had sex with her that morning. Maybe she had a reality check and realised the position she was in."

The player insisted: "Don't think she was an innocent player in all this. After the Wednesday night she gave her number to one of the boys and said, 'Come around and bring the whole team around.' "

One player said it was just a typical night for some of the Canterbury players.

"Some of the boys love a 'bun'," one said. "Gang banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league."

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The revelations in this article are much less than charming. IMO at best it sounds like it is possible that league players misuse their "celebrity", if it is in fact true that "Gang banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league."

 

[Razor]

Those comments by the Bulldogs wouldn't help them at all. Saying stuff like that might appear to some as trying to publicly humilate her and force her to drop the charges before she is publicly identified, which she will be if charges are layed. Because even if it's all true, it doesn't change a thing. You can throw yourself at someone, and tell them you want to f**k, but then when you get to the location and they say no, you'll be charged if you go along with what she originally said.

if it is in fact true that "Gang banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league."

Article in SMH several says ago said the same thing, that their investigations last year found that to be the case.

 

[Andy]

Wake up Astro.

If you didn't know this sort of stuff has been happening for a long time then you're very naive.

 

[les norton]

Unless they have the guts to show there face while they say this disgusting crap...i'll take it with a grain of salt...

 

[Holla if ya hear me]

thanks for that Astrogirl-Its informative and I think that line they are sticking to is entirely possible.maybe exaggerated when faced with a few years of being someone elses bitch,but I think there is an element of truth to that story.
But if this is what goes on at the bulldogs-Tag teaming/group etc
Then the big question is -What do the wives think of this?
Surely there is an element of suspicion for your husband / boyfriend

 

[northey]

there is always this kind of stuff going on in all clubs...
i hear so much about it all the time. it is horrible.
i'm not going to say any of the stuff that goes on as i really has nothing to do with this topic.
but there is always issues about realtionships going on in all the clubs. BUT some of it is nothing compared to the bulldogs.
as it is a rape charge that the player/s will be faced with they should be treated as normal people and if that means going to gaol then be it.... but that won't happen

 

[~bedsy~]

Told ya`s!
This morning the report is that she is promiscuous!
Apparently she has slept with 8 guys two night before it happen.
Told ya they`d dish the dirt on her to discredit her.

I knew it!
They searched into her character man and found out that she is the source of all things evil.

It doesn't matter if she is like that... If she said no, it means NO!

 

[Holla if ya hear me]

Doesnt matter if she holds the record
The second anyone says no- thats it!
After that word-it becomes an ordeal that is now happening

 

[~bedsy~]

Exactly... I don't see how they think they can get away with buy making her out to be a tart. It's still no.

 

[astrogirl]

Wake up Astro.

If you didn't know this sort of stuff has been happening for a long time then you're very naive.

Maybe you're right. I guess I am naive but having said that I'm not really surprised that this stuff happens. Disappointed, but not surprised.

It's simply not the sort of thing I like to think about. I am more of a warm fuzzy thoughts kind of girl.

 

[Alex28]

i'm sorry...it doesnt matter how much she puts out in the past - if she didnt want it then and they forced it on her, then that is rape.

i find it hard to believe that they would state their case to the Herald prior to stating their case to the police investigation that will be in sydney early next week...