Can RL take over from RU in NZ?

[ParraEelsNRL]

if you say so parra . but the nrl not having teams in perth and adelaide help made my decision alot easy . i can't think of any national local competitions in the world where you cross over to another country while ignore other states and local areas within your own country .

You mean like the French union comp based in the south and the English comp mostly based in the south?

Or the Australian comp based mainly in the east with a token west side?

How about the Welsh comp based in the South?

Are these comps National?

In your own time.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

You mean like the French union comp based in the south and the English comp mostly based in the south?

The French and English rugby union comp is a national comp with every team from federal 1, national league 1 & 2 and pro 2 all have chances to play in the premiership if promoted depends on what level and how good good they are every year .

Or the Australian comp based mainly in the east with a token west side?

The S14 is not an Australian national comp is it ?

How about the Welsh comp based in the South?

The Welsh national comp is the Principality Premiership .

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

The French and English rugby union comp is a national comp with every team from federal 1, national league 1 & 2 and pro 2 all have chances to play in the premiership if promoted depends on what level and how good good they are every year .


The S14 is not an Australian national comp is it ?

The Welsh national comp is the Principality Premiership .

I see that flew over your head.

Is English RL national because NL1, NL2 and NL3 can all make it to SL, the same as union except a North/South divide?

RL in Aus is more national than union, you agree?

The Welsh union is mostly in the South and the same in France, so out of all those countries I mentioned PW, which one has a national union comp?

 

[dallymessenger]

good to hear from you again parra . you are a legend here on this forum .
parra, i left the house for awhile and look what you have done to it . this dally messenger guy must be new to the forum . because he's posting exactly the same rants you guys post eight years ago . Like I said to you guys eight years ago it would never happen in the pacific but it seem some just never learn . lucky for you parra you already know whats going to happen to the pacific islands once the RLWC finish .....Nothing .

i started this thread you dope.

youve come on it from the start and rubbished it.

you were questioend by another poster not to be rude, yet youve continued with it.

you dont seem to watch too much RL judging by how ill informed your comments are about the number of polynesians in the nrl and the growth of the game.

 

[dallymessenger]

parra, i was reffering to many post in the past about this subject from our old forum members who have seen the light .
i remember many times forum members saying that league was going to take over nz when the warriors enter the nrl . im still waiting and i think its almost ten years overdue now .
do you remember the warriors first ceo saying that league was going to be the national sport of nz in five years time after the warriors enter the nrl ?:lol: its now 2008 .

thats the first thing in one of your posts youve got correct.

the way the S14 is failing as a competition, the future of RU in our region does look stuffed.

more and more people see the NRL as the better form of rugby.

 

[dallymessenger]

5 years time.

NRL salary cap up by 2 million.

5 years time, S14 contract down or stable, no increase in money.

All Blacks leave for Northern Hermpisphere union teams and NRL.

thats not going to be a well supported ABs team.

whats happening with dan carter will happen more and more in the future

and if wellington get in the NRL. look out.

 

[Te Kaha]

thats the first thing in one of your posts youve got correct.

the way the S14 is failing as a competition, the future of RU in our region does look stuffed.

more and more people see the NRL as the better form of rugby.

That is pure waffle... the Super 14 is not failing as a competition.. that is your take on it.. the standard of play or the game itself are not the main reason for the drop in figures...

5 years time.

NRL salary cap up by 2 million.

5 years time, S14 contract down or stable, no increase in money.

All Blacks leave for Northern Hermpisphere union teams and NRL.

thats not going to be a well supported ABs team.

whats happening with dan carter will happen more and more in the future

and if wellington get in the NRL. look out.

Or more likely in 5 years

Salary Cap increase is taken up by existing players wanting more and clubs giving it to them so they csan keep them from going to europe

No All Black is signed for an NRL team at all... they will only leave for the money on offer in Europe for a couple of years then return back to play in a meaninful world cup

The All Blacks by far and away STILL the highest supported team in NZ

Yes All Blacks will leave, but they are still being replaced

No second NZ team in the NRL as perth is introduced and then a 10 year expansion moritorium on expansion is put in place

The TV rights deal for the NRL doesnt come close to what is expected as FOX get it... and then Fox take there cut as half owners of the NRL leaving not much extra for the clubs and sweet f**k all for development

 

[dallymessenger]

That is pure waffle... the Super 14 is not failing as a competition.. that is your take on it.. the standard of play or the game itself are not the main reason for the drop in figures...



Or more likely in 5 years

Salary Cap increase is taken up by existing players wanting more and clubs giving it to them so they csan keep them from going to europe

No All Black is signed for an NRL team at all... they will only leave for the money on offer in Europe for a couple of years then return back to play in a meaninful world cup

The All Blacks by far and away STILL the highest supported team in NZ

Yes All Blacks will leave, but they are still being replaced

No second NZ team in the NRL as perth is introduced and then a 10 year expansion moritorium on expansion is put in place

The TV rights deal for the NRL doesnt come close to what is expected as FOX get it... and then Fox take there cut as half owners of the NRL leaving not much extra for the clubs and sweet f**k all for development

that post sums up your position

your afraid what a 2nd NRL side in NZ could do to union.

kind of agrees with what ive been saying.

a higher salary cap = more for league players = more union players in league

and the S14 not failing
:lol:

 

[Te Kaha]

that post sums up your position

your afraid what a 2nd NRL side in NZ could do to union.

kind of agrees with what ive been saying.

a higher salary cap = more for league players = more union players in league

and the S14 not failing
:lol:

You are making things up again... Australian self interest will see the Reds next then nothing for years then they will look at the central coast long before they consider a second NZ side....

 

[ozbash]

your afraid what a 2nd NRL side in NZ could do to union.

what could it do ?

most people would like to see a 2nd team but are realistic enough to work out that we dont have the population (how many aussies will run out for the warriors tomorrow ? ) base to support 2 teams.

A higher NRL salary cap would do nothing to tempt NZ's elite players to switch, UK clubs are paying individual players at least half of what the NRL has to spread over an entire squad.

you're up sh*t creek once again.

 

[jamesgould]

most people would like to see a 2nd team but are realistic enough to work out that we dont have the population (how many aussies will run out for the warriors tomorrow ? ) base to support 2 teams.

It is true that there's a fair few Aussies in the Warriors, but equally true that there are increasing numbers of Kiwis in all the other NRL sides. Enough to support a second NZ NRL team, in my opinion.

 

[jamesgould]

No All Black is signed for an NRL team at all... they will only leave for the money on offer in Europe for a couple of years then return back to play in a meaninful world cup

I think this is the major reason that union in NZ could continue to lose popularity. The three years in between World Cups could see the best players going overseas to make more money, leaving NZ super 14 and the NPC teams (as well as the All Blacks) understrength and lower quality. It seems like there's not much importance in anything between the World Cups for union in NZ.

I'm not saying league will ever overtake union in popularity though, I reckon that's a pipedream (one worth pursuing through a second NRL side, though).

 

[Te Kaha]

I think this is the major reason that union in NZ could continue to lose popularity. The three years in between World Cups could see the best players going overseas to make more money, leaving NZ super 14 and the NPC teams (as well as the All Blacks) understrength and lower quality. It seems like there's not much importance in anything between the World Cups for union in NZ.

I'm not saying league will ever overtake union in popularity though, I reckon that's a pipedream (one worth pursuing through a second NRL side, though).

You are assuming it IS losing popularity... how much is the loss of ratings a protest vote from what went on last year as apposed to losing interest in the game? With the streamlining of the comps in 2010 there will be less professional teams to fill... The NPC will be the development comp to a 6-7 month super 12-14-16

 

[screeny]

Which is an overly simplistic way of looking at it... also one that is completly opinion based... you look at the advances League is making without seeing what the IRB is also doing... Fijian players already have a professional pathway thought the 7's circit and fuly paid pacific cup... League cant compete with that.... and as for your league being better suited argument, thats just biased rambling.

I never said the IRB was standing still, but undoubtedly the game in Fiji, and its governing body, has been very successful, which is making RL more appealing and widespread on the island.

Your argument about the IRB is solely based on the elite Fijian player, whereas I'm talking about the positive effect the improved Fijian RL has had on the grass roots in the island.

As for your comment about 'biased rambling' I would simply say that RL is a game with more tackling and more ball carrying than RU. Generally speaking islander players are known for their tackling and ball carry. So therefore what's rambling to you seems pretty logical to me.

 

[screeny]

Union has the Islands sewn up 80 years ago, 5 years ago and another 1000 years more .
Screeny, Whoever told you that league is catching to rugby union in Fiji, Samoa and Tonga should be shot for first degree bullsh*t .
Rugby league has got to get through soccer, Kilikiti (cricket), vollyball, hockey, AFL (Samoa) and netball . And even the ladder between league and netball is like from earth to the blackhole .

Pacific Islanders are far more suited to rugby union than rugby league . Every rugby league country that takes up league you obviously say the same thing that they are more suited the game you love .

Oh no! More posts based on your failure to read properly! I never said RL is 'catching up' to RU in Fiji. I said RL is making advances in Fiji.

Also, you are lying with your second statement. I have consistently said Pac islanders are more suited to RL than RU due to tackling and ball carry, of which there is more in RL than in RU, and also Norht Africans such as Moroccans, who are generally not as big but who seem to be more suited to the expressive, attacking side of the game than to the staid RU attack.

I don't think any European country's players are more suited to RL than RU (although obviously the more talented and gifted athletes will play RL), or South African players, or anyone in the Americas (unless they're Polynesian), or Chinese, or Australians not of Islander descent, etc etc so stop peddaling that myth about what you claim I've said.

 

[dallymessenger]

You are making things up again... Australian self interest will see the Reds next then nothing for years then they will look at the central coast long before they consider a second NZ side....

you hope eh mate
:lol:

 

[dallymessenger]

what could it do ?

most people would like to see a 2nd team but are realistic enough to work out that we dont have the population (how many aussies will run out for the warriors tomorrow ? ) base to support 2 teams.

A higher NRL salary cap would do nothing to tempt NZ's elite players to switch, UK clubs are paying individual players at least half of what the NRL has to spread over an entire squad.

you're up sh*t creek once again.

you dont have the population base for 2 teams
:lol:

plenty of players and money

if nrl salaries go up by 30% youll find lots more union players giving up the sport for rl

 

[dallymessenger]

It is true that there's a fair few Aussies in the Warriors, but equally true that there are increasing numbers of Kiwis in all the other NRL sides. Enough to support a second NZ NRL team, in my opinion.

and dont forget the numbers of kiwi rl players in england

including SL, and of course ru as well including the english national team

 

[dallymessenger]

You are assuming it IS losing popularity... how much is the loss of ratings a protest vote from what went on last year as apposed to losing interest in the game? With the streamlining of the comps in 2010 there will be less professional teams to fill... The NPC will be the development comp to a 6-7 month super 12-14-16

so less union teams = growth eh?

you keep thinking that, its good for us

 

[Cheezel]

parra, i was reffering to many post in the past about this subject from our old forum members who have seen the light .
i remember many times forum members saying that league was going to take over nz when the warriors enter the nrl . im still waiting and i think its almost ten years overdue now .
do you remember the warriors first ceo saying that league was going to be the national sport of nz in five years time after the warriors enter the nrl ?:lol: its now 2008 .

I heard the same rants about Union taking over league in 1995 after Union went professional. I heard the same again in Australia after the 2003 RWC. Yes........I am still waiting :crazy:

People sooner or later in NZ will wake up and see league as the better entertainment package. In fact it is already happening. If the NZRU can't stop the flow of players going over to the UK. People will not rock up to games knowing a second rate team is playing. We have already seen this happen with the Super 14's last year when the NZRU rested players for the RWC.

I don't see League taking over Union any time soon in the pacific. But if the southern hemisphere keep their heads in the sand it is not out of the question.

League just needs to get its act together with more funding for developing nations. Maybe the RLWC will provide some money to kick start this :shock: