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Canberra/Broncos reffing SHOCKER!

Josh2.5

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Hey Guys

Well I just joined but thought I may as well make some comments on the game seeing as though I'm a pretty big Broncos supporter.

1. THE CARNEY TRY: I honestly don't know how that could not be called a try and the fact it wasn't really pissed me off. There is no way any person can say to 100% certainty that Carney was playing at the ball. He was looking at Perry! The same can be said for the Jason Smith/ Ashley Graham try on Friday night against the Knights. Again it never looked like Smith was playing at the ball. At least the refs were consistent on both calls. Whilst I don't agree with the decision, at least its consistent with the call made in both games. I do feel however that that was a major turning point in the game and fully acknowledge that the Raiders were dealt a poor hand by the video ref. (BTW I don't think Benefit of the Doubt can apply to this situation due to the fact that Brisbane were in fact the attacking team at the time, meaning the benefit goes to them? Could someone please clarify this rule for me?)

2. THE MICHAELS TRY: Look again I don't agree with this whole downward pressure bullsh*t but the way the rules are being interpreted these days all it needs is a finger on the ball and thats what Michaels had. Do I feel it should have been awarded? No. Do the rules state that that should have been given? Yes. Simple as that. I remember a certain try by Geyer in the Storm game in which he clearly dropped the ball. The decision never even went to the video ref and because of it the Storm had an eight point lead instead of a two. Did he have downward pressure? No. Did he have control? No. It was a clear knock on (Like Vanganas yesterday, thank god they picked that up!) and should never have been awarded. Would we have won the game if it hadn't been awarded? Hell no! Fact was we were beaten by the better team on the day but we did play with a lot of determination and grit and did very well considering the coniditions. It shows the not all decisions are behind the Broncos and we don't get special treatment from the referees as so many people seem to think.

I think to battle this problem which seems to be emerging week in week out is to completely ditch this whole downward pressure garbage and make it that the player has to have control of the football. That way the rule is clear cut and theres not so many disputes over tries.

Surely its not that hard is it? When they are getting paid the money the players are getting paid I don't think its hard to do some training on the players learning to control the ball as they place it down for a try.

3. THE FAIRY TALE: Honestly where did this come from? I guess Allan Tongue was paid some big money from an unknown source at the Broncos to miss that tackle on Brad Thorn so that he could score in his last game at home? The script could not have been written any better. If only the same could have been done for Big Petro and Carlaw. I mean he doesn't get over all that many times so it must have been fixed. Come on people. Lets think about things. The Broncos were last years Premiers. Do you really think if they wanted to win a game to send off a few players they wouldn't be able to without some outside assistance? Think things through people.

Anyways thats my rant. Hopefully I havent offended any other die hard Raiders fans and I don't mean to. I'm just very passionate about my team as I'm sure a lot of you can relate to. I know if the Carney decision reversed and we were on the receiving side of that disallowed try I would not have been happy.

Thanks Guys

Josh

P.S can I just make the statement of how big a fan I am of Alan Tongue? The man is a legend and works his arse off week in week out. Pretty damn Under rated and doesn't get all the props he deserves.

P.P.S I also want to wish Brad Thorn all the best in the future and I hope he finds a new club soon. He has been a great player for Brisbane and truly is one of a dying breed. His loyalties to his club are so great that he won't play for another NRL team and is trying to go to Europe because of it. Shame there aren't a lot of players left like him but he will be sorely missed. He has been great for the Broncos and its a real shame we aren't offering him another years contract. All the best Thorny!
 

Raider_69

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Shorty said:
I still haven't heard any Raiders opinions on our no try on Friday?
How is this any different to the Jason Smith no try?

Havnt seen it to comment on it, but there is one big difference in the cases, the smith no try didnt combine with an equally ridiculous decision and didnt cost you 2 competition points, did it?
 

Josh2.5

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Raider_69 said:
Havnt seen it to comment on it, but there is one big difference in the cases, the smith no try didnt combine with an equally ridiculous decision and didnt cost you 2 competition points, did it?

Sorry what was the other ridiculous decision? Your surely still not complaining about Michaels try are you? There has been a lot of tries this year exactly the same and its within the rules. Im not saying the rules but the rules are the rules!
 

Paullyboy

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Another one that hasn't been brought up (I dont think) is the no-try to the Raiders in the 21st minute. I'm just watching the replay on fox sports now and there is no way the flick pass from Logan to Tongue went forward, Tongue then knocks it back to Withers who goes in to score but Hayne found a knock on or forward pass in there. I'm baffled as to which one it was - I think the reason no one brought it up was because there were so many other c**k-ups which over-shadowed it.
 

Hindyscrack

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Josh2.5 said:
P.P.S I also want to wish Brad Thorn all the best in the future and I hope he finds a new club soon. He has been a great player for Brisbane and truly is one of a dying breed. His loyalties to his club are so great that he won't play for another NRL team and is trying to go to Europe because of it. Shame there aren't a lot of players left like him but he will be sorely missed. He has been great for the Broncos and its a real shame we aren't offering him another years contract. All the best Thorny!

Brad Thorn who is loyal to Cantebury, Queensland, Australia, New Zealand, Union and League?
 

Josh2.5

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He was loyal to the Broncos in that he will not play for another team in the NRL because he couldn't play against his old team. He went to Union for four years to pursue a childhood dream and once that was done played a few games and then came back to the Broncos.

If you were in his position you wouldn't do the same? I know I sure as hell would!
 

Shorty

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Raider_69 said:
Havnt seen it to comment on it, but there is one big difference in the cases, the smith no try didnt combine with an equally ridiculous decision and didnt cost you 2 competition points, did it?
:roll:
The Raiders cost themselves the two points,the ref influenced it.
Stop using that logic.

As for the Michaels try,I guess you could ask Preston Campbell about the one he scored with his torso against the Sharks...when they were tied and had minutes to go!
Or the one Rengi scored for the Dragons.

And that's fine you can be as dirty about that as you want,but you go on like it's a vendetta against the Raiders when I could find you several instances where it's happened in about 30 seconds.

Then you go on about if Michaels got that try than Carney should have got his...well no not at all.
They were different circumstances,whether or not Carney wanted to,he played at the ball he knocked it exactly like Jason Smith.

The video ref was probably being a bit of a dud with the Michaels try but he was being consistent with the Carney one.
 

Raider_69

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Shorty said:
Then you go on about if Michaels got that try than Carney should have got his...well no not at all.
They were different circumstances,whether or not Carney wanted to,he played at the ball he knocked it exactly like Jason Smith.
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:lol: nice contridiction there mate

how can todd carney have intentionally played at the ball when he didnt want to?
 

Shorty

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Raider_69 said:
:lol: nice contridiction there mate

how can todd carney have intentionally played at the ball when he didnt want to?
:?
By going in for the tackle,the ball was free his arm was swinging there was no other option,sheesh!
 

Raider_69

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So although Carney had no intentions of attacking the football, or playing at it, he was playing at it because he was attempting a tackle?
:lol:

what ever you're on, ill have two!
 

Shorty

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waltzing Meninga said:
I think you need to go and have a good hard look at the rule book mate
No,I don't need to.
It was the same as Jason Smith's and if that's their interpretation of the rule they've got to stick to it and they appear to have.

What makes Todd Carney's any more likely to be a try?
All you get is the opinions on the intention of it,which isn't consistent!
They all needed to be treated the same,at least this weekend they were.
 
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Shorty said:
No,I don't need to.
It was the same as Jason Smith's and if that's their interpretation of the rule they've got to stick to it and they appear to have.

What makes Todd Carney's any more likely to be a try?
All you get is the opinions on the intention of it,which isn't consistent!
They all needed to be treated the same,at least this weekend they were.

I haven't seen the Smith one but if it was anything like Carneys then it is also an absolute farce.

The rule states that a player must intentionally make a play at the ball to be considered to have "played at the ball".

I have no idea how you could conclusively state that Todd Carney played at the ball.

At the absolute worse it was benifit of the doubt to Carney.

it seems that benifit of the doubt only applies to the high profile teams.
 

Charlie124

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Personally i belive they got both the Smith and Carney try decisions wrong. there is no way you can 100% prove that either player was playing at the ball, therefor it should be BOTD at least to the attacking team. Being consistantly wrong (or consistantly contradicting your own rules) doesnt make it the correct call.
 
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Charlie124 said:
Are you really that surprised? Broncos last home game with 5 departing stars, they were always going to get the win one way or another. Theres no way we could have the Raiders spoil the party is there?


BTW i dont agree about the match fixing comment in reguards to taking money, but its pretty clear from the decisions that the script was written before the game.

you usually seem to know a lot about the game and usually post good comments, but when it refers to the broncos your just a dribbler. you cant actually mean what you said can you?
 

Charlie124

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pennywisealfie said:
you usually seem to know a lot about the game and usually post good comments, but when it refers to the broncos your just a dribbler. you cant actually mean what you said can you?

you wont have many on your side there lol.

as i said, i dont believe any of that rubbish about match fixing that some raiders fans are claiming, but i do beleive that the broncos more often than not get the rub of the green on most things, and usually its big things. Very rarely will you see an important 50/50 call go against them, i dont know why that is, i dont buy into all of the "News ltd. babies" BS that other fans will have you believe, but if the shoe was on the other foot yesturday and it was a broncos player "playing at the ball" it would have gone their way, same goes for the Michaels try.
 

Mr Saab

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Bill Harrigan said that the Carney no try was a correct call.
Also that Michaels try was a try

Hey Bay56....still want Canberra to take court action against the NRL?
 

Raider_69

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:lol: Bill Harrigans word is gospel now is it?

Sounds like Billy boy was toeing the company line... go out and show the footage of the incidents to 10 random neutral punters, my bet is 8 or more them say try for carney, no try for michaels
 

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