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Canterbury.....The great Myth of the new millenium.

blacktip-reefy

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Cammo said:
Reefy and his one man attack on The Dogs. Even The Rooster supporters here aren't stooping so low as to support him on this one.

Keep feeling bitter Reefy, the rest of us don't care one bit.

Oh dont think for second that my miserable attempts on an internet forum are sufficient reasons to think it is a one man attack.

There were quite a few lobbying for the complete removal of the Bulldogs from the game.

They havent gone away.
They will wait & they will be ready when next time the club or its supporters bring the game into disrepute.
The club is on its last chance despite employing news power brokers, fans guidlines & all that rubbish.

Hopefully they will be the the first team expelled from the national competition next time they falter. & they will. Cant help themselves, like the majority of the supporters.

then you will need the tissues huh?
 

Dog-E

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The only way the Sharks will win squat diddly in the forseeable future....is if the Dogs...and about 10 or 11 other clubs are kicked out!

Your motives are clear!! :lol:

Now take the mighty Adam Dykes, Paul mellor, Stuart Raper (AND WHAT DID U DO TO NIGEL VAGANA - Turned him into a MELON is what!...you b@stards!! :lol: )...and BEGONE!!! :p
 

Mr Saab

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blacktip-reefy said:
Keep feeling bitter Reefy, the rest of us don't care one bit.

Oh dont think for second that my miserable attempts on an internet forum are sufficient reasons to think it is a one man attack.

There were quite a few lobbying for the complete removal of the Bulldogs from the game.

They havent gone away.
They will wait & they will be ready when next time the club or its supporters bring the game into disrepute.
The club is on its last chance despite employing news power brokers, fans guidlines & all that rubbish.

Hopefully they will be the the first team expelled from the national competition next time they falter. & they will. Cant help themselves, like the majority of the supporters.

then you will need the tissues huh?[/quote]

very very bitter Reefy.
Are you going to lobby with Gussie Gould to have the dogs kicked out? Is that the only way the chooks will ever win the comp? Have the strong clubs kicked out so that the chooks can beat up on the likes of South Sydney?
Canterbury have done nothing illegal in 2004 so GET THE f**k OVER IT.
Your team couldnt get it done back to back yrs...i think your the one that needs the tissues
 

Zef

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blacktip-reefy said:
Hopefully they will be the the first team expelled from the national competition next time they falter. & they will. Cant help themselves, like the majority of the supporters?

Oh boo hoo hooooooooooooooo!

More tissuuuuuueesss!

Somebody tell Kleenex they're gonna have to build another f***in' factory because we got the mother of all whingers here!

Does following The Sharkies really do that to people?
 

blacktip-reefy

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Keep bumpin it up to the top. Thanks Zef.

Like a true Dogs supporter, you cant help yourself.

Zef, your club are cheats. Rorters. Liars. Everybody that was there & is currently there, are part of that.

Some cliches just ring so true. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
 

Corbin

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haha yeh but see, its in the paper once, haha not like ur coffs habour thing.. it was in the media for weekss!!!!!!!!!!
 

blacktip-reefy

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Zef said:
blacktip-reefy said:
Zef, your club are cheats. Rorters. Liars.

... and Premiers.
Cheating premiers.
Stained forever. Will go down in in the journals as a controversial.
Something like this;

The 2004 major premiership will always be remembered for the wrong reasons.
A stain in RL history.
Eventual winners, the Cantebury club, broke very rule in the book to assemble a squad to win the premiership, or perhaps many. Having been exposed by whistle blowers in the media after passing internal NRL investigations, they were eventually fined in 2002 & stripped of their points, for that year only. Many think that they were premature that year & would not have won anyway. But when you are $1 million over the cap, anything is possible. Commercial restraints & the continuation of that years competition restricted the removal of the club altogether from the competition & the dissemination of the cantebury contracted players amongst the other clubs.
In the end, most believe the final penalty was nothing more than a slap on the wrist. With 80% of their squad in tact & the majority of their payments out of the way i n2002, the dogs regrouped & brought through the juniors, who more than likely would not have been on their books at all, if not for the rorting & cheating. They won the 2004 premiership.
That year NRL TV viewing public voiced the disapproval with their remote controls, with the 2004 GF being the lowest TV audience since the turn of the century & perhaps even, the ARL superleague split.
Apart from that, the anti social supporters of the club, as well as allegation of rape, adultery within the club, board room back stabbing & involvement in community rorting real estate deals, did nothing to enhance the clubs very poor image.
 

Zef

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blacktip-reefy said:
Cheating premiers.
Stained forever. Will go down in in the journals as a controversial.
Something like this;
blah, blah, blah.

Whoooooooooooooops!

We're running out of tissues faster than we can make 'em and now we've got a dummy spitting hissy fit too!

Moooooooooooooore tissues! And somebody find some more f***in' dummies before the porridge hits the floor!

And whatever you do - nobody mention Harolt Holt!
 

[furrycat]

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haha yeh but see, its in the paper once, haha not like ur coffs habour thing.. it was in the media for weekss!!!!!!!!!!

That's because the investigation took weeks you fool... And what was the results? Cowdery declared there was not enough evidence to charge any players, as the girls testimony was conflicting and the DNA found did not match any players... Unlike Chris Walker, convicted of punching a FEMALE police officer and Morely, charged with Drink Driving.
 

Dog-E

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If the bulldogs WERE to be removed....then it would ONLY take the removal and/or self destruction of 13 other clubs before the Sharks won a Premiership themselves!!!

So you can see where this Blacktipped-Reefy sheila is coming from here - fair go, eh??!






:lol:
What a tw@t!!
 

blacktip-reefy

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Dog-e.
Your club are cheats.
Scoundrels.
Dishonest.
Liars.
Convicted criminals
Some, alleged rapists.

The bulldogs could win every GF for the next hundred years, but decent humans would want nothing to do with them.

they are the skidmark on the undies of Rugby league.
Even that is a compliment to the low life, cheating, backstabbing club.
 

DJ1

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It's quite clear that you do not really understand the issues you are posting about.

Eventual winners, the Cantebury club, broke very rule in the book to assemble a squad to win the premiership, or perhaps many.

Rubbish! The Dogs broke the cap in 2002. One rule, different squad. They were within the reduced cap (penalty imposed) in 2003 and the reduced cap in 2004. They return to the standard cap for 2005.

The 2002 breach of $400K was through the use of third party payments for players which were not declared to the NRL. This $400K breach was the overall figure for the entire squad. The squad in question was not rated by the main RL commentators as being a chance for the finals at the beginning of 2002.

Whilst the uninformed like yourself claim it was a brilliant squad which would not have been assembled to the detriment of other teams, many RL insiders understand that there were a number of key issues which led to the breach.

a)The club officials simply paid far too much for certain players (i.e. $250K for Trindall)

b)They had no real understanding of the complexities within the salary cap itself.

i.e. The sponsor serving allowance had effectively lifted the cap for the 2002 season from $3.25M to $3.45M. Despite being able to fully utilise this cap exemption as they met that criteria, the club did not take advantage of this. This alone would have halved their breach to $200K. Thus reducing a 12.3% breach ($400K over $3.25M) to a 5.8% breach ($200K over $3.45M). In effect, a simple accounting practice change which they were eligible to receive would most likely have resulted in the club receiving a much lower penalty.

c)Key accountablity at the clubs board comes down to the advice provided by the clubs legal counsel at the time, McIntyre. It was reported that when questioned by the board as to the legality of all player payment structures, McIntyre informed then CEO Hagan that it was all above board.

d)It was later revealed that it was highly likely that the leak to the media came from McIntyres aquaintances. It was also alleged that McIntyre was attempting to use the salary cap breach as a means to oust Hagan and assume the CEO role himself. It would seem that McIntyre also assumed that the NRL would adhere to it's own precedents of previous cap breaches and simply fine the club an amount equivalent to the breach and possibly deduct a maximum of 4 points as per the NRL memorandum which outlined all the penalties for breaches.



Having been exposed by whistle blowers in the media after passing internal NRL investigations, they were eventually fined in 2002 & stripped of their points, for that year only.

They were forced to operate on a reduced cap for 2003 (the reduction of $400K from their 2003 cap matched the amount of the cap breach in 2002)

Many think that they were premature that year & would not have won anyway.

....but the majority think they would have won.

But when you are $1 million over the cap, anything is possible.

.....but as yet, no-one has been found to be in breach by $1M. The highest has been the Doggies 2002 with $400K, Raiders 1994 $250K and Roosters 2002 $150K (per year Craig Wing contract).

Commercial restraints & the continuation of that years competition restricted the removal of the club altogether from the competition & the dissemination of the cantebury contracted players amongst the other clubs.

If the NRL had attempted to do this we would have no salary cap now. The Bulldogs had every right to challenge the legality of the penalty but did not to assist the healing process. Key challenge points,

a)Restraint of trade. All legal opinion states that the cap would not stand up to this challenge.

b)Precedent of penalty. All previous penalties for breaches of all types resulted in a monetary penalty only.

c)Points provision. The most up to date memorandum to the clubs at the time stated a maximum 4 point penalty for breaches and it was not effectively clarified to all participating clubs that a higher penalty was likely.

d)Despite the claims of a club chairman (George Piggins) that many clubs had similar if not identical undisclosed payment processes in place, the NRL refused to complete the same third party audit on all clubs. (It was later revealed that the Roosters had only disclosed 50% of Craig Wings $300K contract over 2 years, this resulted in a penalty of $300K, no points or handing of the 2002 premiership trophy to the Warriors)

In the end, most believe the final penalty was nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

Not having achieved a premiership, I can understand why you would see it as a slap on the wrist. Supporters which have experienced a premiership win clearly understand that the penalty in 2002 was devastating to the club, players and fans.


With 80% of their squad in tact & the majority of their payments out of the way i n2002, the dogs regrouped & brought through the juniors, who more than likely would not have been on their books at all, if not for the rorting & cheating. They won the 2004 premiership.

Losses from 2002 to 2004 seasons,

Darrell Trindall
Darren Smith
Nigel Vagana
Willie Talau
Paul Rauhihi
Travis Norton
Steve Reardon
Gavin Lester
Brett Howland
Glenn Hall
Todd Polglase
Andrew Emilio

9 of these were in the 25 man squad of 2002.

This is effectively a 36% reduction in the squad of 2002.

A 36% reduction for what was accounting wise a 5.8% breach.

For 2005 we lose a further 6 players (24%) from our current squad.

Steve Price
Jamie Feeney
Dennis Scott
Jonathan Thurston
Hutch Maiava
Glen Hughes

That year NRL TV viewing public voiced the disapproval with their remote controls, with the 2004 GF being the lowest TV audience since the turn of the century & perhaps even, the ARL superleague split.

You clearly have no understanding on this issue.

This year has been the greatest in history regarding overall TV audiences.

FTA will continue to decline due to increasing PTV audiences. We now have close to 1.5M household with a PTV service. Every game, every week.
 

Dog-E

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Oh - Do you know some decent humans then??...Certainly can't count yourself as one - that's for sure!

I'd ask them again if so...I think the answer may surprise your bitterly twisted little mind!

And the only skidmark round here - is YOU - U are a mere fart gone HORRIBLY HORRIBLY wrong to these forums!!! :roll:
 

Dogaholic

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The squad in question was not rated by the main RL commentators as being a chance for the finals at the beginning of 2002.

Whilst the uninformed like yourself claim it was a brilliant squad which would not have been assembled to the detriment of other teams, many RL insiders understand that there were a number of key issues which led to the breach.
:clap: :clap:

Actually, thats a very good point you have brought up. I remember comments made by a commentator during that season, may have been Voss or Warren...

They described the Canterbury team as "a champion team, rather than a team of champions"
 

ibeme

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Reefy, if someone accused you of being a rapist, would that be a poor reflection on you? Would you then be scum? Are the Sharks scum because some of their players were accused of sexual assault in NZ a few years ago? See, it's not a crime to be accused of rape. It is, however, a crime to commit rape. There lies a very significant difference, and one that you can't seem to grasp when you criticise some players for being 'alleged rapists'.

Hate the club for salary cap if you must, even though the administration are now gone.

But to hate them for something they were only accused of doing, despite evidence to the contrary, is mis-guided hatred.
 
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