Cayless upset about us bagging Hayne

[bartman]

I'd rather lose one Nathan at a time than both in the same year...

If Cayless gets an offer from elsewhere for 2010 and requests a release, then I'd let him go - provided that there is someone we can spend the money on to replace him.

 

[TheRam]

You'll deadset pop a blood vessel......

He does need to prove himself in regards to on field play, there isn't a dispute with that. As players of first grade quality then every one of the seventeen picked should do the same. As for him not being able to be compared to most of the others in the team? :lol: It is exactly how he should be compared - if he isn't doing his job along with any of the other 16 he should be dropped. Just because he carries the c beside his name doesn't mean he should be making 60 tackles and 200 metres a game.....

Funnily enough the biggest criticism I have had of him in recent years has been his his captaincy, this has actually improved a little..... evidenced by the article in the SMH re: the NRL drinking policy, his willingness to talk more behind the posts and his sticking up for Hayne however misplaced it is.

Not at all Colonel, I'm to chilled and feelin quite mellow fellow not groucho agro. But I just don't get the mumbo jumbo in defence of our Captain Pillow.

To the contrary, you misunderstand me. He not only should he be compared to the other players in our team, but even more so to the other $400000 forwards in the comp, and assessed if it is money well spent. Blind Freddy knows the answer to that, don't you think?

No not just because he carries the C next to his name, but because he is on $400000 and denying us the chance of recruiting others who can do what he has been unable to for quite a long time now. Which, also as an international, is to play at a high level consistently. Not asking for the world in my opinion. Yet in almost all the markers for a front row forward that we can evaluate his performance, he falls way short and embarrassingly so.

Yes I also feel his captaincy has improved a little, but still not a great leader by any measure. So we both have common ground on this one.

 

[Suitman]

How do you know? I'm talking about his personal influence and leadership towards his younger teammates on and off the field and only the coach and players would be aware of how valuable he is as an individual not just a front rower.

From an outside perspective no..... but Eels Dude makes a rather valid point as many of the younger players look up to him.....

The validity has to be put into perspective. It's a total package imo.
This guy's on $400 k's ffs.
Off the field maybe, he is a good influence on some of the kids.
But as a $400 000 a year investment?

Sorry, we can spend our money far better thank you.

Suity

 

[mickdo]

Seems to be a tide of opinion against our captain atm.

So I ask.............

Who'd be against a decision if our club made a business judgement and let him go at the end of the year?

I'll start.

1. Not me.

Suity

Definitely not me. Grossly overpaid.

 

[TheRam]

I'd rather lose one Nathan at a time than both in the same year...

If Cayless gets an offer from elsewhere for 2010 and requests a release, then I'd let him go - provided that there is someone we can spend the money on to replace him.

Totally agree Bartman, I know that he isn't a frontrower, but unless we could find one worth spending big bucks on, I would make a huge tilt for Wade Graham or Ben Hunt. We need a play maker just as bad if not worse then a prop. At least we have some forwards in the lower grades who may step up, but there is NO quality play maker within coeee of the place.

 

[Stagger eel]

I'd be happy for Caylo to leave the club providing that we're not paying a proportion of his contract next season.

 

[Eels Dude]

The validity has to be put into perspective. It's a total package imo.
This guy's on $400 k's ffs.
Off the field maybe, he is a good influence on some of the kids.
But as a $400 000 a year investment?

Sorry, we can spend our money far better thank you.

Suity

Do you have physical proof as to what his annual salary is? You're underestimating how valuable a player like Cayless or a player with his leadership qualities can be to a side. He may not be the best prop forward in the competition but he has captained Parramatta for 9 years and captained the Kiwis on an off and on basis during that timespan also. That is an outstanding record. That alone shows how much coaches and other players respect him.

Having a player in your squad who is mature and can pull everyone else into line is invaluable. I'd rather a player and leader like Cayless then spending overs on a player who makes the hitups and metres but doesn't contribute elsewhere. That doesn't win you premierships. Team game rugby league is it not?

 

[TheRam]

Or if we are looking at young front rowers, what about "The Big Show" from the Broncos?

 

[TheRam]

Do you have physical proof as to what his annual salary is? You're underestimating how valuable a player like Cayless or a player with his leadership qualities can be to a side. He may not be the best prop forward in the competition but he has captained Parramatta for 9 years and captained the Kiwis on an off and on basis during that timespan also. That is an outstanding record. That alone shows how much coaches and other players respect him.

Having a player in your squad who is mature and can pull everyone else into line is invaluable. I'd rather a player and leader like Cayless then spending overs on a player who makes the hitups and metres but doesn't contribute elsewhere. That doesn't win you premierships. Team game rugby league is it not?

:lol::lol: Since when did Pillow Caylo win us premierships?

 

[Eels Dude]

:lol::lol: Since when did Pillow Caylo win us premierships?

Oh shut up you filthy curly horned sheep.

I never said he has but what I am saying is that you need someone like him in your side if you ARE going to win one. Fool.

 

[SDM]

I reckon we have next to no chance of him leaving at the end of the year. No one is going to pay him more than we are.

 

[bartman]

Uk exchange rate will, plus chance to have a season with his brother there before retirement....?

 

[woddy]

I never said he has but what I am saying is that you need someone like him in your side if you ARE going to win one. Fool.[/quote]



wot someone like Hindy?? sure he doesn't talk as much but at least he leads by example

 

[Eels Dude]

I never said he has but what I am saying is that you need someone like him in your side if you ARE going to win one. Fool.

wot someone like Hindy?? sure he doesn't talk as much but at least he leads by example[/QUOTE]

Your point being?

 

[TheRam]

Oh shut up you filthy curly horned sheep.

I never said he has but what I am saying is that you need someone like him in your side if you ARE going to win one. Fool.

Tut tut my little Sloth-Dude, somewhat over the top response to a challenge of opinion, don't you think?

Your suggesting we can have him on a massive deal, under performer that he is, then find some other top line forwards, who will most definitely need to play better then him, in regards to bending the line, gaining many more metres, able offload to support players, and tackle relentlessly, but on considerable less money, who will then look up to him and feel that they are cared for and valued by the club and eventually they will win a premiership together.

Now I don't think so Slothy, not unless they are all juniors on pittance before they make a real name for themselves, and know that there eventual big payola days will come old chum.

If it should happen though, I will definitely write you an apology. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[parra-all-the-way]

i guess, what would the likes of luke bailey or roy asotasi be on, i would imagine similar dollars to cayless, but they would get better value for money. Look i have nothing against the guy but apart from Fui, who else gives us that drive, the only one who comes close would be smoking joe imho.....

Does amarty lewis still play for the eels? he looked not so bad for wenty.

 

[Eelementary]

Or if we are looking at young front rowers, what about "The Big Show" from the Broncos?

He plays footy now?

At 7 foot 2 and 440 lbs, I bet he'd be more of a liability, especially in terms of lateral defence.

:?

 

[hineyrulz]

Cayless was a great influence on the younger players last season........... And he really led by example on the field as well.

 

[Fitz]

Or if we are looking at young front rowers, what about "The Big Show" from the Broncos?

Kick off to the right you get Taylor.
Kick off to the left you get Fuifui.

Scary

 

[TheRam]

He plays footy now?

At 7 foot 2 and 440 lbs, I bet he'd be more of a liability, especially in terms of lateral defence.

:?

There's a new 'Big Show' in Brisy town now.