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Changes For Next Season

gronkathon

First Grade
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The problem is it has become nigh on impossible to judge our players.

they are so wrapped up in the Sheens system that we no longer know what the majority are capable of
 

Front-Rower

First Grade
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In early January I posted this;

While we are waiting for the new season to start I thought I'd open up a new thread to get views on who will be the big movers this season (Wests Tigers excluded).

My feeling is this year the Bulldogs will come good. Maybe not good enough to win but I think this year they will be solid and a real test for most clubs. I think the Hassler factor will be good for them as he seems to get the best out of his teams. Certainly in their first year under him.

I think the other factor will be James Graham. They lacked a bit of go forward last year and I think this guy will make up for that. Also think Ben Barba is a freak at sniffing out a try.


I am not rehashing it because it has turned out to be the case but more because this is what we need to do next year....get a new coach, some real go forward (not this crap we have been doing) and a true match winning back. Sadly Benji is no longer that person.

I am no expert but I can tell you I have been around this game long enough to know Sheens is stale of ideas with this team and they are no longer responding to him. He must go!!!

I still think Marshall is the man to be our x-factor. He just needs the instruction to play footy and not worry about what everyone else is supposed to be doing. His game hasn't been up to scratch because of the coach. You just have to look at what happens when he gets jack of playing the traffic cop, stands two wide and runs. No better player in the game, Barba included.
 

madunit

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The problem is it has become nigh on impossible to judge our players.

they are so wrapped up in the Sheens system that we no longer know what the majority are capable of
this is spot on.

Sheens has a very definite style that worked nigh on a decade ago.

The game changed, he hasn't moved with the times or the changes and is being left behind and with every year he gets even further behind.

There are some positions where you need specialists, even today.

Fullback, Five-eighth, halfback and hooker. Sure the roles have changed over the years but they are still the 4 most vital roles that can't be filled adequately by anyone.

They are specialist roles.

This year we've had players filling in at 6 or 7 all year, with the majority of those fill-ins being out of position. Farah, Lawrence, Ayshford, Fulton have all been in the halves, while actual decent back up halves in Miller, Chisholm and Humble have barely seen first grade, if at all, while the player who spent all year training at halfback was stupidly shifted to Fullback.

Which brings me to fullback. Last year Ryan and Meaney both showed they were capable of being decent fill in fullbacks, and definitely better than Moltzen. But Sheens this year played Moltzen and Humble there before Meaney, a specialist fullback, got a chance, before being dropped, never to be seen again in NRL.

Tuqiri has been woeful since his first season with us. Last year and this year there have calls for Nofaluma (sp?) and Koroibete to get a crack in the top grade. Instead Reddy got first chance, pushing Ayshford into five-eighth in defence and Lawrence into the second row in attack. Mind numbing stupidity.

Fulton at hooker is another debacle. Sheens regards a second rower and a park footballer from Penrith as better hooker prospects than a talented youngster who is a specialist hooker.

Sheens is destroying players careers and abilities. He needs to go for the sake of the club, the players, the fans and himself.
 

The Rosco

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Well here's proof that Rothfield is an avid LU forums reader.
This is the back page headline in today's ( 27/8 ) Daily Tele . . .

FINAL STRAW
Sheens job in spotlight after Tigers blow playoff chances.

. . . . "questions were raised about the future of test coach Tim Sheens, who has now made the finals only 3 times in the past 15 years" .
The article went on to say how crap we played against the rooters, and how we will have to improve 300% next week.


I don't know how much this will help our cause . . . but if it stirs some of our indifferent fans into action . . . it's better than nothing.
The more people that are made aware of what has been discussed for years here, the better !.

FMD, there are opposition fans on here who can see what tim is doing . . . yet the board sits on their hands !!.
 

brooksy19

Bench
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1. Tedesco
2. Koribete
3. Vacent - f**king buy someone that can tackle / leap and PASS THE DAMN BALL
4. Lawrence
5. Ryan
6. Marshall
7. Miller
8. Woods
9. Farah (C) plus play him whatever he wants
10. Keith
11. Heigno
12. BBM
13. Anasta

14. Fulton (Fwd Utility)
15. Siro (Back utility)
16. Pettybourne
17. Thompson

18. Moors
19. Blair (NSW f**king Cup) 8 (NSW Cup)
20. Bell
21. Moltzen (NSW Cup) *
22. Reddy (NSW Cup) *
23. Groat
24. Ashford (NSW Cup) *
25. Utai (NSW Cup) *

* = Pray for no injuries

Coach - Jason Taylor / Steve Folkes
 

hybrid_tiger

Coach
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The main problem is that we are in the minority.

Although I have seen the level of discontent towards Sheens rise in the last few months (and right now it is the most it's ever been) there are still a large majority of fans who aren't concerned with Sheens and don't think his time is up.

Just have a look on Facebook for example and how many morons on there sit back and say "Sheens doesn't miss tackles out there". Of course he doesn't but he is the one who picks the players that do for f**ks sake.

Until these people vote with their feet and don't renew memberships, nothing will change. Unless the club starts losing money then they don't care what we think.
 

Matchball

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I like Buzz.
He knows the root of the problem.
 

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Pistol_Pete

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The tide is turning. If a ton of us don't renew and send off emails they will start listening. They don't listen to voices, they listen to cash. If 3,000 don't renew they'll start listening
 

Tiger05

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Buzz is a dickhead. As if Benji runs the recruitment for the Tigers. The rumour was that Blair would never come here because Benji and him didn't get along.
 
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With the amount of salary cap space dud buy Blair is taking and pathetic recruits Anasta and Pettybourne, I think we are in for a few very lean years. Add to this we are losing our best forward back to pommy land and the future looks very gloomy indeed. It's all well and good to be positive, but at some stage you just have to face facts.:oops:
 

magpie guy

Juniors
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358
Too bad we are talking about this again before the last regular season game has been played.

1. Tedesco
2. Koribete
3. Young Sirro
4. Lawrence
5. Ryan
6. Marshall
7. Anasta
8. Woods
9. Farah (C)
10. Galloway
11. Heigno
12. Bell
13. Fulton

14. Blair
15. Ayshford
16. BMM
17. Utai

This is a team I could see being realistic and fairly effective.

Sirro should be fast and big enough with some ball playing ability for centre. Will depend on how his shoulder and confidence holds up.

Tedesco should be first choice FB if fit. If not then I wouldn't mind Grant or Kori getting a crack. If not at FB then at least on the wing with Ryan to the back.

Bell and Fulton should start to keep our ruck defence tight. Unfortunately the loss if Ellis is huge. In that respect I see Ayshford as more of a second rower. He is one of the few players that consistently gain metres after contact and playing a bit tighter will mean his defence should improve as his lateral movement is terrible.

Anasta may be a fantastic short term half option. He can tackle, he has a good kicking game and can organise. Let him do simple ball distribution so that Marshal can go back to his natural running game. Having said that if Anasta gets his nose out of joint he can play like a complete fairy.

Blair because he will not be dropped when on that much coin also push him up into Prop more often to make sure he does some work.

Utai can come on as a second rower or even prop. Just eat up dirty metres. If a back goes down then Utai goes to the wing and every one just shuffles in one (Ryan to the back if its Tedesco).

Other than that I haven't seen enough of Thompson or Pettybourne to have an opinion.

Oh, and our entire bench should see at least 30 mins each a game. If they don't then why bother having them there at all?
 

madunit

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Benji has never had that much authority at the club.

He has authority over Sheens when it comes to benji doing what Benji wants to do, but thats about it.
 

madunit

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My only concern with Sironen at Centre is his running game.

I haven't seen him get outside his man and all the running he's done has been from a sideways start.

I just don't know if he can hit gaps and run good enough lines to be an effective centre. I think he'd be similar to Ryan there, kinda meek.
 

Tiger05

First Grade
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My only concern with Sironen at Centre is his running game.

I haven't seen him get outside his man and all the running he's done has been from a sideways start.

I just don't know if he can hit gaps and run good enough lines to be an effective centre. I think he'd be similar to Ryan there, kinda meek.

I'm not convinced either. I'd rather someone who plays there in the lower grades.
 

CrazyTiger

Juniors
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I'd be relatively happy with your side, but only under an entire new coaching staff, from top to bottom.

Unless this happens, nothing will change.

We can't tackle. Once we get Anasta kicking, we can spend more time in the oppositions
half. Things will get better next season.
 

leoc

Juniors
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259
Ok, sadly the style of footy we play won us a comp in 05. That just doesn't cut it anymore. The coach failed to evolve with the times and left us exposed. Just to defy logic, during last season he offloads the two largest props we have in keeping with the light mobile theme of his. Am I alone in wondering if the loss of Gibbs & Fifita have had any form of impact on this season? Maybe we can send young Sirro to the gym and beef him up so that he can play the same role his dad did all those years ago!!
 

Tiger05

First Grade
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Ok, sadly the style of footy we play won us a comp in 05. That just doesn't cut it anymore.

This is complete BS and another of those stupid comments that punters keep coming up with.

We don't play the same style we played in 05 - have you seen our attack over the course of this year - it has been terrible. If we were playing like we were in 05 we would be going a lot better.
 

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