Charity Shield 2024

[since77]

You feel safer with Zac under the ball .. a bloke in the top 6 for errors? Interesting

That's very misleading statistic often quoted by ignorant people who haven't watched when these errors actually occur.
Vast majority of those errors are in attacking contests for the ball, often on the last tackle. Much different story in defensive situations. Go back and watch some footy......

 

[FlickFlano]

Yep jumping for a ball in a contest at one end of the field is totally different to jumping for a ball in a contest at the other end of the field.

 

[Draginzaaar]

Yep jumping for a ball in a contest at one end of the field is totally different to jumping for a ball in a contest at the other end of the field.

The attacking players will always take a risk trying to catch the ball. If he makes an error it's up the other end. In defence the player will take more care in defusing kicks. Yeah, like Since77 said, go watch some more footy.

 

[FlickFlano]

So what is the reason that Lomax is not in 1 or 3

 

[kit66]

That's very misleading statistic often quoted by ignorant people who haven't watched when these errors actually occur.
Vast majority of those errors are in attacking contests for the ball, often on the last tackle. Much different story in defensive situations. Go back and watch some footy......

Sounds like Mary's "tries from kicks" argument or oh he missed 5 tackles but at least he was trying to tackle.
An error's an error, other team gets the ball, nothing misleading about that. 2020 and 2022 Zac topped the NRL Errors list and 6th last year, it's a damning statistic and needs to be addressed. That "attacking" argument is actually part of the problem, he seems to leap and just throw his arm in the general direction he thinks the ball is coming down, he does it a lot when a bit of concentration and eyes on the ball could yield better results - he should know that because when he does put in the effort he catches and scores - but like twice a year.
He should be doing drills and catching practice - with others competing - if he isn't already, with a focus on winning the ball not recklessly wasting opportunities. Kyle has a pretty good short kicking game so we need to take advantage of that.

 

[Parko1310]

Sounds like the "tries from kicks" argument or oh he missed 5 tackles but at least he was trying to tackle.
An errors an error', other team gets the ball, nothing misleading about that. 2020 and 2022 Zac topped the NRL Errors list and 6th last year, it's a damning statistic and needs to be addressed. That "attacking" argument is actually part of the problem, he seems to leap and just throw his arm in the general direction he thinks the ball is coming down, he does it a lot when a bit of concentration and eyes on the ball could yield better results - he should know that because when he does put in the effort he catches and scores - but like twice a year.
He should be doing drills and catching practice - with others competing - if he isn't already, with a focus on winning the ball not recklessly wasting opportunities. Kyle has a pretty good short kicking game so we need to take advantage of that.

Exactly. Not putting shit on Zac, he had a fantastic end to last year and that can't be denied. But the BS idea that his errors are from effort plays where he is going up to contest an attacking kick is simply wrong. As you say, he just swings and arm out and hits it. Doesn't attempt to catch the ball, or even knock it back most of the time. Just swings an arm up in the general direction of the ball as if that's going to achieve anything positive. That needs to change. If he wants to put in a good chase and get there, that is fantastic, but he should be attempting to catch the ball.

 

[Victoire]

The other reason his numbers were so high there is because he was literally the only one from our team competing hard and pressuring the catcher on those kicks - whether they were random arm flails or not. I've gotta side with Lomax on this one.

 

[Jeremy Dragon]

So Zac has been moved from centre to right wing to cut down on his errors from catching bombs.....

 

[Illusion]

The other reason his numbers were so high there is because he was literally the only one from our team competing hard and pressuring the catcher on those kicks - whether they were random arm flails or not. I've gotta side with Lomax on this one.

THIS ........

 

[since77]

Sounds like Mary's "tries from kicks" argument or oh he missed 5 tackles but at least he was trying to tackle.
An error's an error, other team gets the ball, nothing misleading about that. 2020 and 2022 Zac topped the NRL Errors list and 6th last year, it's a damning statistic and needs to be addressed. That "attacking" argument is actually part of the problem, he seems to leap and just throw his arm in the general direction he thinks the ball is coming down, he does it a lot when a bit of concentration and eyes on the ball could yield better results - he should know that because when he does put in the effort he catches and scores - but like twice a year.
He should be doing drills and catching practice - with others competing - if he isn't already, with a focus on winning the ball not recklessly wasting opportunities. Kyle has a pretty good short kicking game so we need to take advantage of that.

As I said to the other clown, go back and watch some footy. You might learn something.

 

[since77]

The other reason his numbers were so high there is because he was literally the only one from our team competing hard and pressuring the catcher on those kicks - whether they were random arm flails or not. I've gotta side with Lomax on this one.

Exactly. He was actually asked about this very thing on a podcast, might have been James Graham's. Most of his errors are on last tackle attacking kicks where he figures the opposition is going to get the ball anyway so why not compete for it. If he makes an error the worst that happens is the opposition gets the ball as was already going happen. Only an idiot would argue with that logic.

 

[True_Believer]

Yep jumping for a ball in a contest at one end of the field is totally different to jumping for a ball in a contest at the other end of the field.

I don't think you can consider "errors" as a true indicator of a players skill - either in defence or attack. There are so many situations that can result in an error. Perhaps a more accurate indicator might be "unforced errors" and we just don't have that info.

 

[Slippery Morris]

Only guy I see putting pressure on the opposition when Saints put a bomb up is Zac, no wonder he has more errors than most Saints players. He puts in 100% for sure. That gets lost in stats like these that come out.

 

[SEAT 1A]

A couple of Charity Shields ago, their reserve graders gave it to us. Flogged in the 2nd half. That can't happen again.

There was a time with the CS, I would get pumped as the footy has returned and it would be a good game. Then it went to seeing improvement. The last few years, it became Souths by how many.

Now that everything is said and done, just rip in boys.

 

[kit66]

As I said to the other clown, go back and watch some footy. You might learn something.

Oh lovely, get home from a hard days work, one day before we kick off our season and jump on LU to share the excitement and see if there's any updates and what do I see, some vicious little know-all calling me names and throwing down the usual calling card "ah you don't know nothin about footy" type line in place of any thoughtful or coherent arguments. I had a look at your back catalogue of thrilling posts, you sure do like telling us all how stupid we are don't you mate, telling us how the IQ of the forum has dropped and how we're all morons and idiots and clowns all the time. And of course you know better than everyone else about everything, got a little Trump complex going or maybe more like Alan Jones, angry and hates everything and everybody. Fair enough, there's always one, mostly harmless. But try to play nice eh.

Back to Lomax. I'm happy you're happy as Mary to make excuses for Lomax being our most error riddled player for the last 5 years and think he should just carry on and not address that in any way. Luckily you're not the coach and our actual coach realizes Zac needs to change his game and has already started taking his game in a new direction. Hopefully he can turn Zac into the prime candidate for SOO we know he can be by getting the shit out of his game and winning the battles like he did when he worked on that flick pass of his.

 

[TheRev]

I have a 'possible/maybe/spit-ball' theory after a few years of watching Zac... that he may just need a really really simple game plan... i.e. he doesnt seem to make good decisions under pressure.. even as a centre his decisions around passing never seemed to get much better, and he struggled hard when he had to play left side of the field.. he may just not have the footy IQ to match those physical abilities..

If that is the case, there is no way he can play a spine position, so I think it will see tomorrow whether he gets game time at fullback.. I'm super curious..

 

[Crush]

Game Day!!!!
Let’s go.
Looking forward to this one, Dragons 26-14, Jack Bird double.

 

[Gold_Coast Dragon]

Can't wait to see the team without relying on Hunt as the main "organiser"! We may actually see some communication with the backs.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Game Day!!!!
Let’s go.
Looking forward to this one, Dragons 26-14, Jack Bird double.

We’ve got a hot and steamy day here in Sydney, temps hitting mid 20s already.

Souths won’t be doing too much with Vegas on the horizon. Will try to look like they are not running away.

Hopefully the game will showcase some flair and skill.

But I doubt it will be a flanno style war of attrition. More of a training run with no pressure. A bit of fun.

That said, sometimes these games are highly entertaining with some moments.

Slices of footy excellence and failure without the pressure.

Id have a rule, limit of two tacklers in these matches. Watching 4 blokes bring a single player down is a bit roll your eyes to me. Overkill. Like watching Bellamy kick a chair after winning the grand final. You want to send him into a naughty corner.

On with the show. Fingers crossed for good “safe” footy, result doesn’t matter.

 

[Belta]

Oh lovely, get home from a hard days work, one day before we kick off our season and jump on LU to share the excitement and see if there's any updates and what do I see, some vicious little know-all calling me names and throwing down the usual calling card "ah you don't know nothin about footy" type line in place of any thoughtful or coherent arguments. I had a look at your back catalogue of thrilling posts, you sure do like telling us all how stupid we are don't you mate, telling us how the IQ of the forum has dropped and how we're all morons and idiots and clowns all the time. And of course you know better than everyone else about everything, got a little Trump complex going or maybe more like Alan Jones, angry and hates everything and everybody. Fair enough, there's always one, mostly harmless. But try to play nice eh.

Back to Lomax. I'm happy you're happy as Mary to make excuses for Lomax being our most error riddled player for the last 5 years and think he should just carry on and not address that in any way. Luckily you're not the coach and our actual coach realizes Zac needs to change his game and has already started taking his game in a new direction. Hopefully he can turn Zac into the prime candidate for SOO we know he can be by getting the shit out of his game and winning the battles like he did when he worked on that flick pass of his

Ive posted many times that I would love for the dragons to experiment by putt Lomax on the wing for a decent amount of games. Quite a few posters agreed. I feel his ability to catch, his height and general defence are good attributes for a winger.(so many game changing errors from dropped catches many many many tries scored from wingers missed reading defence, the latter absolutely kills me.

I haven’t seen much fluency in Lomaxs catch and pass game and don’t see him as a explosive defence breaking centre, I feel his errors will be reduced when just focusing on scoring rather than having to combine and set up, of course you are often restricted by the talent of the players inside you.

Hope to see what hhappens
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