Chesterton: Daniel in the lions den

[Stagger eel]

What a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, article... except maybe for the Noel Cleal thing.

it is a good article Ram, but do you believe that Price, Sterling and Kenny are no longer linked to the club?

for mine, that's the biggest dissapointment about the article.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Yes you reap what you sow.

So here is a question, how does this article, win over the 600 stated members that will vote in said board election? Does Ray believe they will vote against Overton and the board just to spite Ray Chesterton?

Apart from that yes we all know we haven't won a first grade premiership since 1986. It is quite well documented and I can assure the non voting members and the non member supporters of the football club, we all feel the failures year after year after year as painful, and we have the same passion as you to win a premiership, let that never be doubted. Some may have differing views on what we need to win a premiership, in regards to Board and CEO, and that is fine, your entitled to that opinion. But do you really think that we the membership vote this way because we like to lose? We vote this way because we believe in these men, we believe in their direction, we listen to all the arguments and weight them up, in our own minds. All I ask is that all members listen to the arguments from all sides.

 

[Gronk]

What a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, article... except maybe for the Noel Cleal thing.

I expected that you'd be chuffed about that article Ram. :lol:

 

[eel4life]

One about what he is saying ... the leagues club simply votes in the board for the footy club, fitzgerald is in only because we do not bother to go and vote so really the MEMBERS WHO DO NOT VOTE are the ones who are to blame.

from 97 to 2005 we should of won premierships but there are other reasons other than Fitzgerald to why we havn't, we bought so many players over the years and we should of done allot better with the team's we have had, but again we have failed on the field.

No way i am in support of DF, but again saying he hasn't spent money on players is not correct, in 2004 we bought almost every player available at the time that added to the roster in 2005.

in 2006 the players were @ fault for the demise of Brian Smith, i am sure he wanted to win a premiership with parra but again we faulted on the field.

2007 we could have won and in 2008 we should of done allot better than we did, but then again we had player issues and i think the Hages got it tottally wrong.

Now its 2008 coming into 2009, ex players want to get back in the club and they want the club to be great again, and this should spark up the people who can vote and the people who want change.

If you can vote then DO SO ... !!!!

IF YOU CAN'T VOTE BECAUSE OF THE 3 YEAR RULE, Make sure you make your voices heard and make those that can VOTE !!! ... The Rally is about letting DF know that we have had enough and make sure if you really want to make a difference to the club that we all love to be there @ 10:00 am on the 29th ...

 

[TheRam]

Stagger eel;4658225]it is a good article Ram, but do you believe that Price, Sterling and Kenny are no longer linked to the club?[/B]

for mine, that's the biggest dissapointment about the article.

I am not to sure about what exactly is the state of affairs between these three former players and our club, but we all know that they have had major falling outs with certain admins' over the years. If they do have any welcomed association with the club, then it is a well kept secret.

But to focus on one or to slightly blurred references is to miss the whole point of the article Stagger.


Which is as a whole over the last 23 years we have failed spectacularly and very expensively to secure the most coveted prize in Rugby League, and the common factor is this board, which the MEMBERS who are considered by many on the outside and some within, but not enough unfortunately, to be sheepeople who just meekly and docilely keep voting them in. BAAAA.

 

[spiderdan]

from 97 to 2005 we should of won premierships but there are other reasons other than Fitzgerald to why we havn't, we bought so many players over the years and we should of done allot better with the team's we have had, but again we have failed on the field.

should've won three by my count.

in 2006 the players were @ fault for the demise of Brian Smith, i am sure he wanted to win a premiership with parra but again we faulted on the field.

i disagree. in my view brian stopped giving a crap. reports were that he had moved a lot of his stuff out of his office at the start of the year and had a falling out with his support staff (to the point they weren't even speaking for a while). this "don't give a sh*t" attitude rubbed off on the players and the result was a really crappy first ten weeks.

 

[TheRam]

I expected that you'd be chuffed about that article Ram. :lol:

Oath!!! Gronk.

 

[The Colonel]

in 2006 the players were @ fault for the demise of Brian Smith, i am sure he wanted to win a premiership with parra but again we faulted on the field.

Brian was at fault for the demise of Brian. No one else to blame but himself.

 

[thedux]

The thing that bothers me the most are that so many of the voting members have the "we believe in their ideals" mentality when it comes to our board. Why don't they just admit that Overton and co. are the best of a bad bunch and be done with it. The fact we have the lowest sponsorship dollars shows no-one in business wants to be associated with our club and that can surely only be because of the admin. Other clubs don't seem to have the same problems!! They're a tired old bunch who've run out of ideas and they've lost the support of the fans.

 

[Stagger eel]

I am not to sure about what exactly is the state of affairs between these three former players and our club, but we all know that they have had major falling outs with certain admins' over the years. If they do have any welcomed association with the club, then it is a well kept secret.

But to focus on one or to slightly blurred references is to miss the whole point of the article Stagger.


Which is as a whole over the last 23 years we have failed spectacularly and very expensively to secure the most coveted prize in Rugby League, and the common factor is this board, which the MEMBERS who are considered by many on the outside and some within, but not enough unfortunately, to be sheepeople who just meekly and docilely keep voting them in. BAAAA.

that's true, but the media focus on the three mentioned being snubbed or linked to the club, is terribly overated and which they continue to poke and probe at, lets get a few thiongs straight.

* All 3 are life members of the football club.

* all 3 are in the clubs Hall of fame.

* All 3 attended the functioned which named the Hall of fame in 2003 (I think that years right)

* Both Kenny and Price still attend the annual players reunion, i don't believe Sterling has been for a few years but someone can correct me there.

* All 3 still receive season tickets each year (not that they use them)

I actually enjoyed the article and didn't mind Massouds as well, but both have bent the truth to spice it up and that's what gets me.

 

[Stagger eel]

The thing that bothers me the most are that so many of the voting members have the "we believe in their ideals" mentality when it comes to our board. Why don't they just admit that Overton and co. are the best of a bad bunch and be done with it. The fact we have the lowest sponsorship dollars shows no-one in business wants to be associated with our club and that can surely only be because of the admin. Other clubs don't seem to have the same problems!! They're a tired old bunch who've run out of ideas and they've lost the support of the fans.

so do you know who the "bad bunch" are?? because I'm still trying to work them out.

"bad bunch" or not, I would encourage and listen to any rival of the current board, nothing wrong with healthy competition.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

I am not to sure about what exactly is the state of affairs between these three former players and our club, but we all know that they have had major falling outs with certain admins' over the years. If they do have any welcomed association with the club, then it is a well kept secret.

Let me ask you this Ram, and answer as honestly as you can to your knowledge. Do you beleive Ray Price, Peter Sterling and Brett Kenny are turned away at the gate of Parramatta Stadium if they turn up to watch a game of football? If they pay for a Ticket are they turned away at the gates?

I have been to many Football club AGM's. I remember the 2006 one fondly as Chairman Alan Overton relayed his recent communications with Price after Price's treatment for cancer. He spoke about Price's passion and will to live, saying he had no doubts that Ray would beat the cancer because of who he was. Also I beleive 2005 was the last time the Legends Vs Sponsors touch match was held at Parramatta Stadium. Brett Kenny and Ray Price, both played for the Legands side that year.

Also if you have ever watched the Footy Show and heard Sterlo or Fatty Refer to Yoda? They are speaking about our club chairman Alan Overton, who also posts on here as Yoda.

Bert and Guru asked to be assistant coaches, to bring back the passion to the club but let me ask you this, If we were back in the day of Jack Gibson, would the club appoint his assistant coaches or would Jack? Would the club appoint Ken Thronett as assistant coach or whould they let Jack pick Ron Massy?

Personally Denis Fitzgerald has had disagreements with Peter Sterling, Ray Price and Brett Kenny, over a range of things, but if you think the are persona non grata at this club, you are dead wrong and might need to do your own research around the club then relying on the Telegraph to tell you what is happening.

But to focus on one or to slightly blurred references is to miss the whole point of the article Stagger.

Which is as a whole over the last 23 years we have failed spectacularly and very expensively to secure the most coveted prize in Rugby League, and the common factor is this board, which the MEMBERS who are considered by many on the outside and some within, but not enough unfortunately, to be sheepeople who just meekly and docilely keep voting them in. BAAAA.

As a member, I protest the sheepeople comment, are you a member? How many AGM's have you been to in the last 10 years?

 

[thedux]

But surely you have to agree Stagger that most of that stuff is only afforded to them as would be to any other player of that ilk at the club. I mean, tradition plays a huge part in any league club and ours is no different.
I honestly think Chesterton was more talking about things like having them involved in some capacity with the actual team. It doesn't have to be a permanent thing but would be nice to hear that Pricey or Kenny were allowed to have a chat with some of the young guys occasionally. I'm sure DA would back it but the simple fact is they won't come near the club because of DF.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

The thing that bothers me the most are that so many of the voting members have the "we believe in their ideals" mentality when it comes to our board. Why don't they just admit that Overton and co. are the best of a bad bunch and be done with it. The fact we have the lowest sponsorship dollars shows no-one in business wants to be associated with our club and that can surely only be because of the admin. Other clubs don't seem to have the same problems!! They're a tired old bunch who've run out of ideas and they've lost the support of the fans.

See, yeah we have the lowest sponsorship. Yep at the moment that hurts but for the last 10 years we have relied on the Leagues Club, that is what the leagues does.

I wonder if anyone can tell us when the last sponsorship agreements were signed and when they are due for renewal.

I think the only one up this year Radio Rentals. It was interesting the lengths we went to to make RR happy last year. So it will be interesting to see if we retain them.

But again they can lose the support of the Fans, it is when the lose the support of the Members that we might get a change. The members generally like to get their info from the people in charge and not from the Telegraph.

 

[Stagger eel]

But surely you have to agree Stagger that most of that stuff is only afforded to them as would be to any other player of that ilk at the club. I mean, tradition plays a huge part in any league club and ours is no different.
I honestly think Chesterton was more talking about things like having them involved in some capacity with the actual team. It doesn't have to be a permanent thing but would be nice to hear that Pricey or Kenny were allowed to have a chat with some of the young guys occasionally. I'm sure DA would back it but the simple fact is they won't come near the club because of DF.

again, you need to ask yourself, do you appoint those guys because they deserve it or because their legends.

and tbh, since 1997, Fitzy has give the head coach full autonomy (sp) on who to have as part of their staff, that part is common knowledge.

 

[thedux]

so do you know who the "bad bunch" are?? because I'm still trying to work them out.

"bad bunch" or not, I would encourage and listen to any rival of the current board, nothing wrong with healthy competition.

No because most have basically given up trying to challenge them. Everyone knows that they have too much support from voting members.
Everyone knows that Grothe and Price are practicing futility but I think it highlights how desperate people are getting.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

So Let me pose this question to everyone.

If the current board at Parramatta are retained as is, and the NRL side wins a premiership next year. Will you still call for their heads and for what reason?

 

[thedux]

again, you need to ask yourself, do you appoint those guys because they deserve it or because their legends.

and tbh, since 1997, Fitzy has give the head coach full autonomy (sp) on who to have as part of their staff, that part is common knowledge.

No I wouldn't want them running the club either, hence my last post. It's all out of desperation because its gotten to that stage.
And if the coach had full autonomy then why was DF the one who knocked back Kenny and Grothe; he could have asked them to wait for the coach to be appointed before he brushed them.

 

[Gronk]

So Let me pose this question to everyone.

If the current board at Parramatta are retained as is, and the NRL side wins a premiership next year. Will you still call for their heads and for what reason?

I think even the knockers would agree that if we win the comp it will have zip to do with the board.

However not winning the comp will have everything to do with the Board.

Very odd that.

I'm all for talented appointments, not just jobs for the old boys like they do at the local bowling club.

 

[thedux]

But again they can lose the support of the Fans, it is when the lose the support of the Members that we might get a change. The members generally like to get their info from the people in charge and not from the Telegraph.

Mate, I don't even read the Telegraph so you can take your sarcasm elsewhere.
I've followed this club for over 30 years so I think I'm more than qualified to comment; a badge with a number shouldn't be an automatic right to a superiority complex. But I guess that's one of the problems with our membership isn't it!!