CHN wants out of Bulldogs

[Dragonsamy]

I’d love to see Jacob Host given a decent chance under the influence of Flanno as he’s literally been screwed by the Peanut Paul. I hope he doesn’t leave the Dragons.

I agree just a feeling but he seems to be happy here

 

[Dragonsamy]

Yes, and therein lies the problem IMHO.

Bringing CHN on overs, achieves exactly what ? A better looking squad on paper to fill the void in the forwards ?

Interesting that most want this signing, but at the same time acknowledge that the coach we have couldn't get the best out of people like Frizzell / Luc / etc .

In addition, signing him in a pay war, will lead to other promising forwards looking elsewhere.

Until and when we have clear direction on the coaching status, any decent signing is improbable. We have what we have for this season. We need to deal with that. Players considering to come to us will be guided by pay, and opportunity. At the moment we offer only the former.

Agree tru
Especially that last paragraph.

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

CHN is one that I could actually see coming. I still think he is probably a higher chance of nay than yay but he is at least worth discussing unlike David Fifita. I feel for the Raiders losing Cotric, its a real shame when a team loses a local junior like that. I would say they will put in a fair offer for CHN it also takes some of their outside backs out of the equation for us like Niko.

 

[The calm one]

CHN is one that I could actually see coming. I still think he is probably a higher chance of nay than yay but he is at least worth discussing unlike David Fifita. I feel for the Raiders losing Cotric, its a real shame when a team loses a local junior like that. I would say they will put in a fair offer for CHN it also takes some of their outside backs out of the equation for us like Niko.

I have been conversing with Owen. He holds little hope re CNH. Stay calm

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

I have been conversing with Owen. He holds little hope re CNH. Stay calm

As I said more nay than yay but at least Owen is willing to talk about it rather than send me marching out like when I bring up D.Fifita.

 

[getsmarty]

I have been conversing with Owen. He holds little hope re CNH. Stay calm

Correct...Canberra

 

[BIG RIG]

It looks like Harawira-Naera is set to sign with the Canberra Raiders

 

[Dragon David]

It looks like Harawira-Naera is set to sign with the Canberra Raiders

It looks like Harawira-Naera is set to sign with the Canberra Raiders

I guess this is on the cards seeing that the Raiders let Cotric go and they would have said to the Bulldogs that they can have Cotric but give them CHN to replace Bateman.

 

[True_Believer]

Yes, and therein lies the problem IMHO.

Bringing CHN on overs, achieves exactly what ? A better looking squad on paper to fill the void in the forwards ?

Interesting that most want this signing, but at the same time acknowledge that the coach we have couldn't get the best out of people like Frizzell / Luc / etc .

In addition, signing him in a pay war, will lead to other promising forwards looking elsewhere.

Until and when we have clear direction on the coaching status, any decent signing is improbable. We have what we have for this season. We need to deal with that. Players considering to come to us will be guided by pay, and opportunity. At the moment we offer only the former.

What also frustrates me is the bitching about players like Hunt and Norman any any other player we sign. PRetty much everyone has agreed that most players have devolved once coming to the club. How are we able to truly assess any player we have on the books? To me it's laughable to start blaming recruitment when we can't even determine whether what we currently have is good enough.

Realistically, on paper we should be consistently a top 8 side - and with a good coach we should be able to achieve better than that. There is only 1 thing stopping us from being that - and we know what that is. Comments form Norman after the game pretty much confirmed that. It's so obvious.

 

[possm]

Your going cray cray again possm.

Sometimes crazy is good. Whatever the case, we need to off-load our deadwood and fill the gaps with good players. Norman is our most expensive lump of deadwood. Then next on the chpping block is Aitken.

 

[possm]

What also frustrates me is the bitching about players like Hunt and Norman any any other player we sign. PRetty much everyone has agreed that most players have devolved once coming to the club. How are we able to truly assess any player we have on the books? To me it's laughable to start blaming recruitment when we can't even determine whether what we currently have is good enough.

Realistically, on paper we should be consistently a top 8 side - and with a good coach we should be able to achieve better than that. There is only 1 thing stopping us from being that - and we know what that is. Comments form Norman after the game pretty much confirmed that. It's so obvious.

There has been no 'bitching' about players like Vaughan, Frizell or T Sims. They have performed well since being signed. Hunt is just now finding his feet at hooker however, Norman and Aitken are baggage and once they are gone, we would have about 1.2m extra in our cap to buy a marquee player or up-grade some of the juniors we want to keep.

 

[redandwhite4evr]

There has been no 'bitching' about players like Vaughan, Frizell or T Sims. They have performed well since being signed. Hunt is just now finding his feet at hooker however, Norman and Aitken are baggage and once they are gone, we would have about 1.2m extra in our cap to buy a marquee player or up-grade some of the juniors we want to keep.

Three months ago I would have agreed with all that Possm but IMO we're mow seeing the positive impact of Flanno's coaching on our attack, as well as our defence. (What Mary is doing as Head Coach beyond committing fraud is another issue).

Aitken, in particular, seems to have become the dangerous runner he was a couple of years ago before the supply of early possession under "Maryball"- ie 5 hit ups and a dodgy kick- dried up. Yes there are flaws in his game, but if I was getting rid of another centre, it would definitely be Williame. I was underwhelmed when we signed him and he has done nothing, particularly in attack, to allay my fears.

Norman on the other hand should be released. Dufty (and possibly Sailor as well) are younger, faster, more involved and cheaper options

 

[True_Believer]

Three months ago I would have agreed with all that Possm but IMO we're mow seeing the positive impact of Flanno's coaching on our attack, as well as our defence. (What Mary is doing as Head Coach beyond committing fraud is another issue).

Aitken, in particular, seems to have become the dangerous runner he was a couple of years ago before the supply of early possession under "Maryball"- ie 5 hit ups and a dodgy kick- dried up. Yes there are flaws in his game, but if I was getting rid of another centre, it would definitely be Williame. I was underwhelmed when we signed him and he has done nothing, particularly in attack, to allay my fears.

Norman on the other hand should be released. Dufty (and possibly Sailor as well) are younger, faster, more involved and cheaper options

Exactly. Some people just can't seem to make the connection here. Possm talks about players like Vaughn, Frizzel and Sims not being complained about. Well Sims is still copping flack from people in the forum and players like Aitken, Dufty and others are still being bagged even after the last few games have shown a different side to their game.

Even with you mentioning Williame. How can we make that call? We haven't seen him playing since this apparent change in direction. We don't know how good or bad he could be?

Even Norman looks to have changed his game. He's running to the line more often, he looks to be talking more on the field etc. Is it enough? Who knows. I just don't think we can subject anyone to the scrap heap at the moment until a change of coach.

My fear is always the same - we offload players like Aitken or Dufty and they become world beaters at another club. And we make those calls because Mary has forced a boring and mundane game plan upon the team and beaten any skill out of them. They look bad because they are made to look bad.

Like I said in another post, I think we need to give these guys time to settle into this change. With Mary apparently "releasing the shackles" and Flanagan playing more of a role in attack, hopefully we'll see more of what we can achieve over the next couple of months. Let's just hope it stays this way and we aren't forced back into the same ol same ol. But we just can't judge a player based on the direction of the current coach. That needs to change above everything else.

 

[hazzbeen]

ton si

Exactly. Some people just can't seem to make the connection here. Possm talks about players like Vaughn, Frizzel and Sims not being complained about. Well Sims is still copping flack from people in the forum and players like Aitken, Dufty and others are still being bagged even after the last few games have shown a different side to their game.

Even with you mentioning Williame. How can we make that call? We haven't seen him playing since this apparent change in direction. We don't know how good or bad he could be?

Even Norman looks to have changed his game. He's running to the line more often, he looks to be talking more on the field etc. Is it enough? Who knows. I just don't think we can subject anyone to the scrap heap at the moment until a change of coach.

My fear is always the same - we offload players like Aitken or Dufty and they become world beaters at another club. And we make those calls because Mary has forced a boring and mundane game plan upon the team and beaten any skill out of them. They look bad because they are made to look bad.

Like I said in another post, I think we need to give these guys time to settle into this change. With Mary apparently "releasing the shackles" and Flanagan playing more of a role in attack, hopefully we'll see more of what we can achieve over the next couple of months. Let's just hope it stays this way and we aren't forced back into the same ol same ol. But we just can't judge a player based on the direction of the current coach. That needs to change above everything else.

Feel the same here , its not so much the players its the lack of coaching and same old boring set plays year after year and the lack of giving the younger guys ago ..... The some what improvement the last few games is not coming from Mary even though he has the front to take the credit ......

 

[redandwhite4evr]

Exactly. Some people just can't seem to make the connection here. Possm talks about players like Vaughn, Frizzel and Sims not being complained about. Well Sims is still copping flack from people in the forum and players like Aitken, Dufty and others are still being bagged even after the last few games have shown a different side to their game.

Even with you mentioning Williame. How can we make that call? We haven't seen him playing since this apparent change in direction. We don't know how good or bad he could be?

Even Norman looks to have changed his game. He's running to the line more often, he looks to be talking more on the field etc. Is it enough? Who knows. I just don't think we can subject anyone to the scrap heap at the moment until a change of coach.

My fear is always the same - we offload players like Aitken or Dufty and they become world beaters at another club. And we make those calls because Mary has forced a boring and mundane game plan upon the team and beaten any skill out of them. They look bad because they are made to look bad.

Like I said in another post, I think we need to give these guys time to settle into this change. With Mary apparently "releasing the shackles" and Flanagan playing more of a role in attack, hopefully we'll see more of what we can achieve over the next couple of months. Let's just hope it stays this way and we aren't forced back into the same ol same ol. But we just can't judge a player based on the direction of the current coach. That needs to change above everything else.

Point taken in relation to Williame- if Aitken remains fit and in his current form however, we may never find out if Williame's up to it as he won't be picked at left centre.

Norman however, in my book, irrespective of who is coaching, drifts in and out of games and is just plain lazy. Both tries he scored in the past two weeks made him look better than he actually was.

 

[possm]

Exactly. Some people just can't seem to make the connection here. Possm talks about players like Vaughn, Frizzel and Sims not being complained about. Well Sims is still copping flack from people in the forum and players like Aitken, Dufty and others are still being bagged even after the last few games have shown a different side to their game.

Even with you mentioning Williame. How can we make that call? We haven't seen him playing since this apparent change in direction. We don't know how good or bad he could be?

Even Norman looks to have changed his game. He's running to the line more often, he looks to be talking more on the field etc. Is it enough? Who knows. I just don't think we can subject anyone to the scrap heap at the moment until a change of coach.

My fear is always the same - we offload players like Aitken or Dufty and they become world beaters at another club. And we make those calls because Mary has forced a boring and mundane game plan upon the team and beaten any skill out of them. They look bad because they are made to look bad.

Like I said in another post, I think we need to give these guys time to settle into this change. With Mary apparently "releasing the shackles" and Flanagan playing more of a role in attack, hopefully we'll see more of what we can achieve over the next couple of months. Let's just hope it stays this way and we aren't forced back into the same ol same ol. But we just can't judge a player based on the direction of the current coach. That needs to change above everything else.

I see your point but remember, we need to do the best by the Club. No player is greater than the Club and for all the players we have that are not champion players, we have bright young talent coming through that are being held up.

I would not argue with the idea of bringing in a top grade left centre or fullback in order to give the young backs someone to follow and look up to in the team.

To do this we have to off-load players and give players like Aitken, Lafai and Norman a fresh start at another club. As you rightly stated we have:
Dufty and Sailor who could play at 6, do a better job than Norman and have a much less impact on our salary cap.
Dufty is doing a fine job in attack from fullback but maybe could do an even better job at five-eighth. At least he would be amoungst team-mates who could assist in defence and would not necessarily be subject to the high ball so often.

I would be happy to see our young gun outside backs groomed in a position of the wing. This makes sense and should instill confidence in them.

 

[getsmarty]

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  NRL 2020: St George enforcer Tyson Frizell backs club interest in Corey Harawira-Naera.
  Newcastle-bound St George Illawarra enforcer Tyson Frizell has backed the club’s interest in disgraced Canterbury forward Corey Harawira-Naera, and also sent an SOS to Sonny Bill Williams.
  
  Matt Logue
  NCA NewsWireJuly 21, 20205:00pm
  • Video
  Newcastle-bound St George Illawarra enforcer Tyson Frizell may be leaving at season’s end but is still happy to play recruiter for the Dragons.
  
  Frizell was in manager mode at training on Tuesday as he talked up the prospect of the Red V securing the services of disgraced Canterbury forward Corey Harawira-Naera.
  
  Canberra is favoured to land Harawira-Naera if he gains a release from the Bulldogs, but the Dragons are also interested.
  
  The New Zealand representative is keen to leave Canterbury following the club’s handling of the pre-season Port Macquarie schoolgirl scandal, but incoming coach Trent Barrett plans to make one last-ditch attempt to convince him to stay.
  
  If Barrett’s pitch fails, it will open the door for the Dragons or Raiders to strike on Harawira-Naera’s signature.
  
  Frizell would certainly like to see the Canterbury back-rower in St George Illawarra colours.
  
  “Yeah, if the club thinks he is a good fit for the squad and the club,” Frizell said.
  
  “He is a quality player and I don’t see why they wouldn’t go for a player like him.”
  
  
  
  
  St George Illawarra are also interested in Corey Harawira-Naera if he gains a release from Canterbury. Photo: Mark Kolbe/Getty Images.Source:Getty Images
  
  Frizell also cheekily sent out an SOS to Sonny Bill Williams after the Toronto Wolfpack pulled out of the Super League for the rest of 2020.
  
  The Wolfpack’s decision has left the club’s former NRL players, including Williams, in limbo has NRL clubs like the Warriors circle.
  
  Frizell is a huge fan of the man nicknamed ‘SBW’ and would love to have him at the Dragons.
  
  “If Sonny wants to come this club it would be great for rugby league,” he said.
  
  “He is an idol for a lot of backrowers and a lot of players in the game, especially around me age.
  
  “Seeing a guy like him play coming through was pretty special, so c’mon Sonny.”
  
  The Dragons will be without representative back-rower Tariq Sims for Saturday’s crucial clash against Cronulla after he copped a one-match suspension for dangerous contact on Canterbury’s Kieran Foran.
  
  It's Tuesday. Here's the team ‍ #NRLSharksDragons #redv
  
  — St George Illawarra Dragons (@NRL_Dragons) July 21, 2020
  Sims will be hard to replace, but Frizell has full faith in rising forwards Jackson Ford and Tyrell Fuimaono.
  
  “They are definitely pushing for that spot and that is what we want,” he said.
  
  “We want them to push the starters. Those guys coming through have had a couple of years under their belt now and they are looking to play some consistent first grade football.
  
  “For me, that is where I want them to be.
  
  “I want them to be chasing guys like Tariq and myself for that spot.”
  
  Since defeating Cronulla 30-16 in round 5, the Dragons have won three of their past five clashes.
  
  Frizell, though, is wary of a rejuvenated Sharks side that have claimed four victories in the past five games.
  
  “They are a different side to the one we first played against,” he said.
  
  “They are on a bit of a roll and they will be looking to get one up against us.
  
  “There is a lot of improvement left in us for us to go anywhere in this competition.
  
  “We are chasing the Sharks who are sitting at the bottom of the eight and that is where we want to be.”
  
  https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/d...a/news-story/4d5d371ac15294e5540366ffa1180435

 

[getsmarty]

SIGNINGS


Canberra set to land Harawira-Naera after Dogs snare Cotric
Author
Dan Walsh NRL.com Reporter
Timestamp
Wed 22 Jul 2020, 05:57 PM

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Canberra are poised to land Bulldogs back-rower Corey Harawira-Naera for the next two-and-a-half years in the latest tit-for-tat signing between the rival clubs.

NRL.com understands Canterbury officials have told their Raiders counterparts of their willingness to release the Kiwi international, effective immediately.

The news comes on the same day that Barrett was officially announced as Canterbury's new long-term coach, and Raiders star Nick Cotric was confirmed to join him in 2021.

Canterbury made several attempts to keep Harawira-Naera at Belmore before he and the Bulldogs resolved to part ways.

No official comment has been made by either club, and no terms of release have been agreed upon as yet.

With his NRL deregistration overturned last week and his 10-game suspension for a pre-season incident involving schoolgirls in Port Macquarie served, Harawira-Naera could potentially be available for Canberra as early as round 12.

Raiders international Nick Cotric. Grant Trouville/NRL Photos
The Canberra Times has reported Harawira-Naera would not be available to play against the Bulldogs when the two sides clash in round 16 under the terms of a proposed release, and NRL.com understands the Raiders would be willing to agree to that scenario.

Harawira-Naera has been pushing for an early exit since his contract was reactivated, with the 25-year-old former Panthers forward unhappy with Canterbury's support for his deregistration by the NRL.

Despite being a fan of incoming coach Trent Barrett – who weighed into the club's efforts to keep Harawira-Naera – he is bound for the nation's capital.



Cotric fielded lucrative offers from the Raiders and Bulldogs in recent months before plumping for Canterbury's revised three-year offer worth just shy of $2 million, which came with the added cherry of shifting from the wing to centre.

The Bulldogs also pursued Raiders back-rower John Bateman before he opted to return to the UK with Wigan at the end of 2020.

Canberra have led rival interest in Harawira-Naera with the club targeting him as a long-term replacement for Bateman.

Bateman was named on an extended bench for the Raiders this week having returned to contact training following a lengthy lay-off due to shoulder surgery.

But Harawira-Naera's expected arrival still provides sorely needed reinforcement to a pack that will be missing Josh Hodgson, Sia Soliola, Corey Horsburgh and Emre Guler for all but the rest of this season.


https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/07/22...ulldogs-sign-raiders-star-on-three-year-deal/

 

[thebigredv]

Could have done with Cotric out the back for next year or Harawira-Naera up front right not, or keeping Frizell or getting Bateman or Fifita for that matter. Instead we land another depth player that doesn't even make the reserves bench with De Belin and Sims both unavailable. I don't get it. We are the lepers of the NRL.

 

[Gareth67]

“ Well that’s yet another prospective signing that fool Millward has stuffed-up ! Pity as he would had become a top flight forward under my astute coaching . “