#Chris Sandow has been dropped by the Parramatta Eels

[Parraren]

imho....a ridiculous decision and it smells of a desperate coaching staff who have ran out of ideas..

please, for the love of god, prove me wrong..

Yep and I get the sense this might be the beginning of the end for SK.

 

[DeanPay98]

Maybe he wasn't dropped for poor form. Maybe it was for lack of ability.

Nobody who saw Luke Burt play in 2002 or 2007 would question his ability. Even in the last three years he's had some great games. We haven't seen much of him in 2012 and maybe thats a pity.

 

[JoeyJoJo83]

You have a very simplistic worldview.

Sandow wasn't dropped because he has been playing poorly; he was dropped because he was down on confidence and it was determined that a good game for Wenty would lift his confidence.

Hayne is confident no matter how he is playing, so a week in Wenty won't change anything.

So let me get this straight, Sandow isn't playing poor so that means he is playing good footy, yet his confidence is down. Please explain how one can be playing good footy yet be down on confidence?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nobody who saw Luke Burt play in 2002 or 2007 would question his ability. Even in the last three years he's had some great games. We haven't seen much of him in 2012 and maybe thats a pity.

I saw him play in 2002 (and 2007) and I'm questioning his ability in 2012. I reckon he's lost enough speed and strength that he has gone from an average NRL winger playing in a team that suits him to a shit one playing in a team that doesn't.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So let me get this straight, Sandow isn't playing poor so that means he is playing good footy

No it doesn't. Try again.

kthnxbye

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So let me get this straight, Sandow isn't playing poor so that means he is playing good footy, yet his confidence is down. Please explain how one can be playing good footy yet be down on confidence?

Your poor logic aside, Sandow is playing average when what we want is for him to be playing well. It's not just a choice between 'playing good' or 'playing poorly', there is a continuum in between the two ends of the spectrum.

But his form is only tangential to the issue. Even if he was playing poorly it's not why he was dropped - there are other players playing poorly who haven't been dropped, which proves Sandow's form wasn't the reason he was dropped.

Sandow was dropped because he is down on confidence, and it was determined that the best way for him to get his confidence back was to play against lower quality opposition. Other players who are playing poorly but weren't dropped obviously weren't determined by the coaching staff to be likely to benefit from a week in the NSW Cup.

Essentially you have confused correlation with causality.

 

[DeanPay98]

I saw him play in 2002 (and 2007) and I'm questioning his ability in 2012. I reckon he's lost enough speed and strength that he has gone from an average NRL winger playing in a team that suits him to a shit one playing in a team that doesn't.

And my response to that is that we haven't seen enough of him this year to know if that is true or not.

 

[DeanPay98]

Your poor logic aside, Sandow is playing average when what we want is for him to be playing well. It's not just a choice between 'playing good' or 'playing poorly', there is a continuum in between the two ends of the spectrum.

But his form is only tangential to the issue. Even if he was playing poorly it's not why he was dropped - there are other players playing poorly who haven't been dropped, which proves Sandow's form wasn't the reason he was dropped.

Sandow was dropped because he is down on confidence, and it was determined that the best way for him to get his confidence back was to play against lower quality opposition. Other players who are playing poorly but weren't dropped obviously weren't determined by the coaching staff to be likely to benefit from a week in the NSW Cup.

Essentially you have confused correlation with causality.

How do you boost somebody's confidence by telling them that they are not needed in the team?

 

[The EELiminator]

How do you boost somebody's confidence by telling them that they are not needed in the team?

and by painting a bullseye on their forehead for the media
sandow cant win if he has a blinder people will say pfft its only nsw cup i could beat them and if he loses the knives will really come out

 

[cgee221]

18. Lasalo

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How do you boost somebody's confidence by telling them that they are not needed in the team?

Do you reckon he was told he wasn't needed, or was he told he was going to Wenty because we need him to get his confidence back?

 

[oldmancraigy]

Shackleton's tweet is more likely to be a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. After all, how many games was Lasalo given before he was dropped?

I don't get why you would think that?
Doesn't the logic of your statement suggest the other way?

IF it took that long for Lasalo to get dropped THEN what did Shack do to get dropped so fast?
Possibly he had a case of the bad attitudes?
[could be other reasons - personally I'd see Shack as just a prop these days, his mobility is too low to defend out wide - so he's effectively up against 2 NSW and Aus reps, and a Kiwi rep and the bright young Allgood. Good luck to him winning a spot back there!]

I'm not seeing how Burt's form was that bad that he warranted being dropped. Our team definitely needed his experience in a few of the games we lost.

I'm not against a coach dropping players for poor form. But the way Kearney uses players is odd. After all, McGuire has just gone from being a mostly redundant backrower to our halfback.

Totally agree on the McGuire backrower thing. Other than that I don't mind the way Kearney uses backrowers - they are to be decoy or hole runners and all to be mobile and quick in attack. Hindy is being more and more shuffled to prop as he becomes less and less a stereotypical backrower.

Disagree on the Burt thing. The bloke hasn't jumped to defend a contested bomb in 2 years. It's disgraceful. He also doesn't put up his hand and "help out" with an early hitup after kick returns. Disgraceful. Mostly doesn't try in defence. Disgraceful.
Hopefully his sacking has made him realize that he's not gifted a spot? But possibly he's just playing first grade again to give us a goal kicker this week?
Don't get me wrong, hope he has a blinder and scores 9 tries this week (that's what I'll be cheering for) - but absolutely no shock that he got dropped based on his form of the last few years.

 

[DeanPay98]

and by painting a bullseye on their forehead for the media
sandow cant win if he has a blinder people will say pfft its only nsw cup i could beat them and if he loses the knives will really come out

Absolutely. And if he comes back in a week and we lose that game then its another week of headlines.

 

[DeanPay98]

Do you reckon he was told he wasn't needed, or was he told he was going to Wenty because we need him to get his confidence back?

So lets see, (i) he's denied leave to go home, (ii) he's picked in first grade, (iii) then he's told to go to Wenty, (iv) its again in the media (granted thats not Kearney's fault). Substantively, he isn't with the team.

 

[DeanPay98]

Oldmancraigy, I think Shackleton's tweet happened because he was frustrated at not getting picked. He doesn't have a history of offensive tweets.

You make some sound points on Burt's defence. But his ability to jump for bombs or to take hit-ups isn't why he's in the team. He's there for his attacking prowess and football brain. He does have deficiencies - granted, but my argument is that his strengths outweigh them.

 

[Suitman]

Oldmancraigy, I think Shackleton's tweet happened because he was frustrated at not getting picked.

You're probably right.
So, what do smart people do in that situation? (a) Abuse them, or (b) try and prove them wrong?

Lock in B Eddie.

Suity

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So lets see, (i) he's denied leave to go home, (ii) he's picked in first grade, (iii) then he's told to go to Wenty, (iv) its again in the media (granted thats not Kearney's fault). Substantively, he isn't with the team.

He was paid a lot of money to come to the club. That's a fairly ringing endorsement by the coaching staff.

Kearney has been involved with the NRL since it was the NSWRL. He has been around for a long time. He would have a lot of experience (as a player and a captain and an assistent coach) with other players (and maybe even himself) struggling for form and confidence, and seeing how his coaches dealt with it, and how different types of players responded.

Could you possibly concede that maybe he knows more about this than you do? Like maybe he's better placed to make the right decision here?

 

[JoeyJoJo83]

Your poor logic aside, Sandow is playing average when what we want is for him to be playing well. It's not just a choice between 'playing good' or 'playing poorly', there is a continuum in between the two ends of the spectrum.

But his form is only tangential to the issue. Even if he was playing poorly it's not why he was dropped - there are other players playing poorly who haven't been dropped, which proves Sandow's form wasn't the reason he was dropped.

Sandow was dropped because he is down on confidence, and it was determined that the best way for him to get his confidence back was to play against lower quality opposition. Other players who are playing poorly but weren't dropped obviously weren't determined by the coaching staff to be likely to benefit from a week in the NSW Cup.

Essentially you have confused correlation with causality.

So one weekend playing footy with a bunch of players who can't make it to the top grade is gonna boost his confidence? So what if he has a blinder it's against a bunch of park footballers. What if the Vulcans put 50 on Wenty how much is that going to boost his confidence???

The right thing for Kearney to do is stick by Sandow in these tough times, this is what will boost his confidence.

But unfortunately for you, you are confused with the shit that comes out of your arse to the shit that comes out of your mouth.

 

[DeanPay98]

He was paid a lot of money to come to the club. That's a fairly ringing endorsement by the coaching staff.

Kearney has been involved with the NRL since it was the NSWRL. He has been around for a long time. He would have a lot of experience (as a player and a captain and an assistent coach) with other players (and maybe even himself) struggling for form and confidence, and seeing how his coaches dealt with it, and how different types of players responded.

Could you possibly concede that maybe he knows more about this than you do? Like maybe he's better placed to make the right decision here?

If it was purely a football issue then sure I'd make the concession. But I know a few things about managing people and I've got a fair bit of experience at it. More importantly, I can recognise signs of a bad manager even from a distance.

In Kearney's case the sign is big and flashing red.

The question isn't whether Kearney has been around for a while and experienced things here and there. The question is whether he has developed the knowledge and skills to manage personnel in this particular context. It isn't looking good at the moment.

Good night!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So one weekend playing footy with a bunch of players who can't make it to the top grade is gonna boost his confidence?

Why else would coaches ever drop one of their team's key players?

So what if he has a blinder it's against a bunch of park footballers. What if the Vulcans put 50 on Wenty how much is that going to boost his confidence???

If he plays shit for Wenty then it's probably a good job he got dropped, isn't it?

The right thing for Kearney to do is stick by Sandow in these tough times, this is what will boost his confidence.

Just as long as you've got all the answers I guess.

But unfortunately for you, you are confused with the shit that comes out of your arse to the shit that comes out of your mouth.

lol toilet humour