Club intensifies chase for Orford following news Campese may miss 2011

[lingard]

You dont have to spend all of the cap, if we dont end up signing anyone i think we will do just fine!

Me too. I`m starting to think Daniel Anderson mismanaged our halves this year, and a new coach might get more out of them. Plus, Murray might live up to the hype, and of course, Humble is largely untested in his favourite five-eight position. So maybe it`s not as grim as we`ve been thinking.

 

[mrpwnd]

Me too. I`m starting to think Daniel Anderson mismanaged our halves this year, and a new coach might get more out of them. Plus, Murray might live up to the hype, and of course, Humble is largely untested in his favourite five-eight position. So maybe it`s not as grim as we`ve been thinking.

DA had arguably one of the greatest coaching suicides when he insisted on Morts at halfback for the majority of the season.
Almost topped the time when he said he had no idea how we did so good in 09, he should've just bit his lip and said he knew but it was a secret, i'm sure most people would have believed him.

 

[lingard]

Hmmm, interesting.

If Orford gets his release from Bradford, and if Canberra gets his signature leaving us with a unspent money in the bank account - having publicly courted several signings that didn't come off - I wonder how Ossie and Spags will explain it all?

Despite claims in some areas that everything is hunky dory at our club, you can't deny there has been instability there since the upheavals of last election. Players talk, and very few players from elsewhere are choosing to sign up.

Will it again somehow become DA's fault? :lol:

Are you working for someone, Bartman? I`m kinda wondering why most of your posts aren`t deleted.

 

[Raudonikis]

And now to respond to a real contribution to the thread discussion... ;-)

You make some good points Poupou.

The first year impress the coach factor will be in our favour. I guess I was just likening the coach sacking to any of our workplaces where our supervisor moves on there is the suspicion of ill-treatment in the air... it can leave a sense of uneasiness and impact on motivation.

I don't think it's clear Anderson didn't have the respect of the players - it's just a rumour. The only player that spoke out was Tahu (and that was after the event) - and he's been outnumbered by players making supportive comments re Ando.


you have become even more pathetic then you ever were :crazy:
We know what this squad of player can do on their day - the disappointing thing is that they haven't shown the consistency required. I'm not expecting anything better than last year or the year before (eg borderline 8th at best) until they show consistency under Kearney, or we recruit someone in key positions.

But I respect that you have valid opinions, and even though they differ from mine, don't seek to belittle you with a smart arsed personal post in reply :thumn.

 

[Raudonikis]

you have become even more pathetic than you ever were

 

[Raudonikis]

Bartman, you are up there with gabba/skeep/haynetrain/ with the crap you come up with...

 

[bartman]

Are you working for someone, Bartman? I`m kinda wondering why most of your posts aren`t deleted.

Not working for anyone L, nor running in elections I can promise you that.

I've had the odd post deleted like others, but the mods/admins know that I'm not "here for political gain" (as Sangreal86 fell foul). Rather they know that I just post my opinions (which aren't libellous), and my opinions change over time (eg see last elections).

you have become even more pathetic than you ever were

Bartman, you are up there with gabba/skeep/haynetrain/ with the crap you come up with...

R, there's a link to help you ignore my posts within my signature below, if my opinion offends you so much...

 

[Suitman]

Not working for anyone L, nor running in elections I can promise you that.

I've had the odd post deleted like others, but the mods/admins know that I'm not "here for political gain" (as Sangreal86 fell foul). Rather they know that I just post my opinions (which aren't libellous), and my opinions change over time (eg see last elections).



R, there's a link to help you ignore my posts within my signature below, if my opinion offends you so much...

They weren't commenting on what Sangreal posts, they were commenting on your's.

Suity

 

[Jake the snake]

Not working for anyone L, nor running in elections I can promise you that.

I've had the odd post deleted like others, but the mods/admins know that I'm not "here for political gain" (as Sangreal86 fell foul). Rather they know that I just post my opinions (which aren't libellous), and my opinions change over time (eg see last elections).



R, there's a link to help you ignore my posts within my signature below, if my opinion offends you so much...

I don't think you realise that everytime you write you are doing a disservice for whom you ever want elected.
Your turning people off and probably helping the current board get re-elected.

Carry on.....

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Of course they'll lift for a new coach - players always do.

The players don't get obsessive about their 'heroes' the way the fans do. Probably because they have far fewer heroes than the fans. The players understand football is business, and I think they'll be excited about playing under a coach that is so highly respected in the game.

Don't underestimate the credibility Kearney brings for his exploits as a player. I mean, logically, his playing ability should have nothing to do with his ability as a coach but respect is a funny thing. And a coach who's played over 200 first grade games, captained his country and won a premiership will have the respect of everybody.

It's clear that Anderson didn't have the respect of all the players, and his lack of credibility as a player himself would certainly have contributed to that. While we might sit here and say it's childish, and that the players should resepct the coach no matter what he achieved as a player, the fact is it's very difficult to show respect for somebody when you don't feel it.

And they are just footy players after all.

Even with no new signings I think we can make the finals next year. Mortimer will improve, and Murray could be a first grader as early as next year.

Jack Gibson, Wayne Bennett, Tim Sheens, Phil Gould & many other succesful coaches have done ok playing league without scaling to great heights and staying at those heights as Rugby League players for much of their top grade careers but they all went on to becoming brilliant and successful coaches - Your comment about Kearney and his top grade track record does not mean players will gravitate to him, respect him and will do anything to win for him. Not saying they won't, because they could, but they might not either.

Also..... Don't forget the two club elections coming along over the next 6 months or so. These elections could possibly rip the guts of the club apart. Two very different cultures challenging for supremacy has the potential to tear the very fabric of the club, the players, the staff, the fans and the board into shreds. Those behind and supporting the new $$$$$$ (materialistic/superficial) culture will not go away without a huge fight BUT I have great confidence the traditional culture that made this club is on the rise and will covet all aspects of the clubs horizon forevermore.

 

[Eelementary]

Jack Gibson, Wayne Bennett, Tim Sheens, Phil Gould & many other succesful coaches have done ok playing league without scaling to great heights and staying at those heights as Rugby League players for much of their top grade careers but they all went on to becoming brilliant and successful coaches - Your comment about Kearney and his top grade track record does not mean players will gravitate to him, respect him and will do anything to win for him. Not saying they won't, because they could, but they might not either.

Also..... Don't forget the two club elections coming along over the next 6 months or so. These elections could possibly rip the guts of the club apart. Two very different cultures challenging for supremacy has the potential to tear the very fabric of the club, the players, the staff, the fans and the board into shreds. Those behind and supporting the new $$$$$$ (materialistic/superficial) culture will not go away without a huge fight BUT I have great confidence the traditional culture that made this club is on the rise and will covet all aspects of the clubs horizon forevermore.

* Wayne Bennett had a top grade career spanning several years, represented Queensland and even Australia.

* Jack Gibson played for 12 seasons and represented NSW.

* Tim Sheens played for 12 years.

* Phil Gould played 104 top grade games.

My point is, these guys may not have been exceptional players, but they were by no means hacks.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

* Wayne Bennett had a top grade career spanning several years, represented Queensland and even Australia.

* Jack Gibson played for 12 seasons and represented NSW.

* Tim Sheens played for 12 years.

* Phil Gould played 104 top grade games.

My point is, these guys may not have been exceptional players, but they were by no means hacks.

Agreed, was aware of their history before I posted. They were not hacks but not in the class of Norm Provan, Bob Fulton, etc, as players. The point I was raising is, be it great or not as players, does not mean they will become great coaches. Ask Wally Lewis or Brad Fittler about Stephen Kearney's prospects as coach. It's great that Wayne Bennett has a very good opinion about Kearney. This holds a lot of weight.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ask Wally Lewis or Brad Fittler about Stephen Kearney's prospects as coach.

The point is mate, Lewis and Fittler both had the respect of the players.

They sucked as coaches for other reasons.

While it's true that having been a great player is neither a requirement nor a guarantee of becoming a great coach, you have to remember that professional sports is a different world to the one the rest of us live in. Players need to respect their coach and according to many players you're nobody if you never played at the top level.

Fittler and Lewis were both highly respected but just couldn't coach. Brian Smith and Daniel Anderson were at the opposite end of the spectrum - I think both of them are great coaches (or at least 'very good' coaches) but their failures have come down to their relationship with players.

Smith played 31 first grade games over 9 years; Anderson never played first grade.

Whether this matters to you or me is irrelevant here; there is a certain subset of players to whom this matters a great deal.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Whether this matters to you or me is irrelevant here; there is a certain subset of players to whom this matters a great deal.

. . . and they would be the sooky little prima donna's who think that the game and in general the world owes them something for their own greatness.

I would also think we turfed most of those players in the "Great Purge" this year.

 

[Jake the snake]

. . . and they would be the sooky little prima donna's who think that the game and in general the world owes them something for their own greatness.

I would also think we turfed most of those players in the "Great Purge" this year.

Hey MITS,

You seem to be a man in the know. But didn't Eric Grothe Jnr have a falling out with DA this year?

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Hey MITS,

You seem to be a man in the know. But didn't Eric Grothe Jnr have a falling out with DA this year?

I did hear those whispers yes. Apparently it was around the time Ando's manager approached the club about an extension.

The whisper I heard is that Ando named him the Storm game at Parramatta the Big GF rematch that everyone was looking forward to, but durnig the week thought he was underdone coming back from an injury, so Ando told him he wouldn't be playing and Eric had his say and stormed off.

Eric didn't play that game, then we had the bye then Eric did play against the Knights, for about 15 minutes before pulling up lame and not being spotted for the rest of the Season except on the Matty Johns show.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

. . . and they would be the sooky little prima donna's who think that the game and in general the world owes them something for their own greatness.

Unfortunately it's a side effect of having that level of self-belief. The players know they're not regular people, no matter how much they pretend to be in front of the fans.

I would also think we turfed most of those players in the "Great Purge" this year.

I think you're underestimating how many players are like this.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Unfortunately it's a side effect of having that level of self-belief. The players know they're not regular people, no matter how much they pretend to be in front of the fans.



I think you're underestimating how many players are like this.

Not really, we have had in affect the same bulk of a team through Brian Smith, to Jason Taylor and then Hagan. Not one of those coaches could snap Parramatta's ability to wilt under the pressure of pre-season favouritism.

Hagan was a well established Player who also Played Origin football, yet with the performance that we put in during the 2008 season with a fully fit roster, you would have to say they didn't respect the coach.

Respect is earned, personally once the players started respecting Ando in 2009 we started to fire. That was the feedback I got from my insiders in the team.

This year, personally I don't think it was about respect. I think our club had a massive thing done to it and while all the focus was on the offending club I think our club buckled mentally under the events of April.

If Kearney's big plus factor is player respect, then that is nice but we still need a halfback and a good run with injuries to make any sort of impact in this competition.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This year, personally I don't think it was about respect. I think our club had a massive thing done to it and while all the focus was on the offending club I think our club buckled mentally under the events of April.

I agree 100% this is a big reason for our demise this year. We played our grand final in round 13 and then put the cue in the rack.

But I also think wherever there's smoke there's fire, and there were serious personality issues surrounding Daniel Anderson, and our club isn't the first place these accusations have sprung up around him.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

I agree 100% this is a big reason for our demise this year. We played our grand final in round 13 and then put the cue in the rack.

But I also think wherever there's smoke there's fire, and there were serious personality issues surrounding Daniel Anderson, and our club isn't the first place these accusations have sprung up around him.

Me on the other hand I think where there is Smoke there is the ability to blow it up other people arses.