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Coffs Harbour sex scandal revisited - Stateline NSW

ibeme

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Here's a thread started by one of Woods99's fellow trolls upon learning of the allegations involving the Tigers last week. Notice the smilie emoticons and the title of the thread? He's absolutely elated about the prospect that a rape may have occurred involving Rugby League players. In their sick attempts to attack the culture of Rugby League, they're only succeeding in exposing their own disgraceful attitudes.

I ask, who are the sick ones here - footballers who have sex in public places, or those who get pleasure out of believing that they'd raped someone?

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=153260
 

Copa

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Woods99 said:
Having sex, consensual .............., in a public space at a 5 star hotel is grubby behaviour.
Crikey.... Woods99 even when in his late teens probably had the bible on the side of the bed.. lights out... and no one was permitted to make any noise.

Some sleazy behaviour :
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?p=2335582&highlight=brumbies+toilet

Back inside Edgar's, it seemed as if one or two in the Brumbies' party weren't overly fussed or hadn't observed that they were availing themselves of the womens' toilet instead of the mens'. An ABC Radio News press gallery reporter told your correspondent that she couldn't get in to use the cubicles because couples were in there having sex: a claim she repeated to a number of her friends around
the bar with a mixture of astonishment and mild amazement.


Having sex, consensual or not, with a woman who has mental or emotional problems is also grubby behaviour
I know people who have been with a woman for years before it dawns on them how mad their partner really is. Folk don't come with a "nutter" sign around their neck.
 

Paley

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Was the woman staying at the resort as well?

<Woods99>Only women with loose morals and mental deficiencies stay at resorts. Proper women live in convents or in the cage in my garden shed</Woods99>
 

ibeme

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For anyone who maybe interested, here is the last three quarters of the transcript:

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: But for those at the centre of the allegations, there has been no closure

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CEO: It is still an issue for the club, yes, no doubt. Our fans are abused at games, our players are abused at games. We had someone ejected only three or four weeks ago, when we played the Dragons for abusing players when they came off the field, and calling them rapists.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: What was a functional office quickly became dysfunctional, and, as I&#8217;ve said to others, of the 10 staff that were working in February 2004, there is only four still at work. Six of those 10 staff are no longer at work. Four of those six were all directly attributable to the fallout from this inquiry.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: Former Detective Senior Sergeant Gary McEvoy is one of those four casualties. After 23 years of service, he was medically discharged from the police force in February this year, after suffering a nervous breakdown. Tonight he speaks on camera for the first time about what went on inside that investigation and what really happened in Coffs Harbour in the early hours of February 22, 2004.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: In February 2004, I was investigations manager here at Coffs Harbour. I was in charge of the detective's office, about eight or so detectives in the Coffs Harbour office, and initially it was my role to manage and lead that inquiry. We knew that there was a squad of 25 Bulldogs players that had been in town over the weekend. A female had made a complaint of rape on the Sunday morning. She had been taken to hospital. She was seeing counsellors and getting all the welfare support. The limited information that the investigators had that morning - they didn't have names of players. All they knew - that an incident had occurred at the pool involving some players. So they asked the football manager for the Bulldogs, Gary Hughes, if he could identify what players were at the pool at the time and have them present themselves to the police station. As a result, four players came forward.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: The four players were interviewed and videotaped at the Coffs Harbour Police Station just hours after the alleged assault. They told detectives one player had consensual sex with a woman in the pool in the early hours of that morning while two players watched. A fourth player had had sex with the same woman earlier in the evening. In the following 24 hours, the players' statements were being sported by independent witnesses.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: By the Monday afternoon, for example, we hadn't identified one witness that gave evidence that would support what our victim had told us up to that stage. The statements that we had taken by then - and they were getting close to about the 12 mark - were all consistent with what the three players &#8211; or the four players had told us immediately after the job had come in. So, we &#8211; we had serious concerns which way the investigation was going to go.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: The woman making the allegations denied she was the person in the pool having consensual sex, despite the fact that a number of witnesses described a person of similar appearance and wearing similar clothing. The Bulldogs players told police they left the woman swimming in the pool, and independent witnesses confirmed they saw a woman swimming alone in the pool, who did not appear to be distressed in any way. By this time, the sun was beginning to rise.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: We've got about an hour to account for, from when this act occurred, that we have no doubt did occur, and when staff find the lady crying in the car park area. And, in trying to find out what happened in that hour, we have identified the fact that the victim approached a room where a girlfriend of hers was in and she asked that girlfriend to go back down to the pool area and find her shoes. And it would appear that at the time the victim and the girlfriend were talking, she wasn't upset, she wasn't crying, she wasn't emotional. Now, shortly after, the girlfriend returns from the pool, unable to find the shoes, and finds the victim in a distressed and crying state in the vicinity of the car park and rooms.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: The investigators were puzzled. Could there have been two incidents in the pool? Could a rape have occurred after the consensual sex in the pool? Did it happen before or after the woman's friend went back to the pool to search for her shoes? Could six men have attacked the woman in daylight without hotel workers and guests in the vicinity of the pool area witnessing such an event?

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: No other witness was found that could describe a second incident, a second gathering of players in the pool area, for example, or cries for help or anything consistent with another incident occurring.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: Two days after the rape claims were made, Sydney broadcaster Ray Hadley dropped this bombshell in a live radio broadcast.

RAY HADLEY, 2GB BROADCASTER: She has then disclosed that at least six of them sexually assaulted her without her consent by anal, vagina al penetration.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: There was uproar that the only way Hadley to get hold of that is from a police officer. Someone has placed their own interests ahead of the investigation and jeopardised our inquiry for the sake of Mr Hadley getting a lead story on everyone else. We were pretty shocked.

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CEO: I think that what happened was that the cops' report that was leaked to the radio very early on and subsequently read out meant that a lot of people in the media made a decision within a few days that the players were guilty.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: If the media was of the view that the players were guilty, it was a view reinforced by these comments made by Chief Inspector Bretton, who was in charge of the investigation.

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: She was a victim of a very serious sexual assault.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: It was an assertion that surprised and concerned some members of the investigating team.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: It wasn't consistent with the evidence we had. Different members of the team had different views on what he had said and how he was going about dealing with the media. All I can say is that it wasn't consistent with the evidence we had gathered up to that point.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: At the same news conference, Chief Inspector Bretton appealed for a seventh player, who allegedly witnessed the rape by six others to, come forward to police.

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: There is a seventh player involved. It's quite easy to exculpate yourself from the inquiry, if you want to put your hand up and say you&#8217;re that seventh person.

REPORTER: ...is that the victim's version.

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: No, we know the seventh person.

REPORTER: How do you know that?

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: Somebody told us.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: The young woman described a player coming over to the pool area, looking inside while the rape occurred and he didn't take part in the rape, apparently. He then left the pool area, so, that's where the evidence comes from of a seventh player. It doesn't come from any other witness.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: Did the investigation ever rule out the notion of a seventh player, that had been a seventh player?

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: We never found evidence of six players being there, let alone seven players.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: By the end of the investigation, Gary McEvoy was convinced his doubts in the early stages of the police inquiry were right - no rape had occurred.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: I think this is unique, that the allegations that the lady is making actually occurred with so many independent witnesses, and we were so lucky to get the players that were in the pool area committed to an interview within hours of the allegations made. So their stories were locked in. And, yet, 10 weeks of investigation, many, many people interviewed and not one piece of evidence has been identified that contradicts what the players have said. Not one piece of evidence has suggested that there was a second incident in the pool. There is enough evidence there to come to a conclusion.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: It was a conclusion supported by the Director of Public Prosecutions.

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CEO: My understanding is that it's one of the easiest decisions they've ever had to make.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: But at the press conference to announce the case was closed, Chief Inspector Bretton did nothing to clear the Bulldogs' name.

REPORTER: Do you believe something happened in Coffs Harbour in February?

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: Absolutely.

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CEO: There is no doubt it was left up in the air and comments like that and other comments very early in the investigation from the same officer who suggested that a very serious sexual assault had happened, rather than an alleged sexual assault had happened, I think, showed that some people had made their mind up very early on in the investigation and then set about trying to prove what they thought initially, and they couldn't.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: So how angry do you feel about it?

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CEO: Very angry.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: In May this year, radio broadcaster Ray Hadley received another police leak on the Bulldogs' investigation, which he used to hose down any suggestion the Bulldogs had been vindicated by the decision not to lay charges.

RAY HADLEY, 2GB BROADCASTER: Senior police have told me this morning the reason they couldn't sustain any charges was because of the flawed investigation in the very early stages.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: The investigation was never flawed. It was thorough, it was professional. The reason why there was no charges laid was there was no evidence to support the allegation. It's as simple as that.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: Gary McEvoy is no longer in the police force, but he is still trying to get his own closure from the Bulldogs' investigation. He wants Police Commissioner Ken Moroney to officially repudiate the claims made by Ray Hadley and confirm the name of the senior police officer he thinks he knows spoke to Hadley.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: I named that officer to Mr Moroney and to the investigators and, in actual fact, the investigators told me that they identified a phone call on the day of his broadcast from 2GB to Coffs Harbour Police Station.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: Commissioner Moroney is currently on leave and was therefore unavailable to be interviewed by Stateline. His spokes woman said an internal investigation by the complaints management team has yet to be finalised.

This week at the Bulldogs, training was under way for the first round of the rugby league finals. Although the Coffs Harbour incident is not foremost in their minds, it's never far away.

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CEO: Every time there is a story about player misbehaviour in the media, Coffs Harbour comes up again, and it did this morning. You know, whether it's newspapers, radio or television, they always refer back to Coffs Harbour. That's just something we have to live with, I think, but I think, you know, we've done a lot in the last two years in a lot of areas in the community where we've re-established our reputation to a great extent, I think. There will always be disbelievers out there, but, you know, there is nothing we can do about that. We&#8217;ll just have our heads down every day trying to do the best possible job we can do.

SHARON O&#8217;NEILL: Gary McEvoy is now finalising a book about the Coffs Harbour investigation. He says it is helping him in his healing process, but it's also important that people know the truth about what happened back in February 2004.

GARY McEVOY, FORMER DETECTIVE: I've started something. People have told me I can walk away at any time, I don't have to finish it, but I feel I've started something, I've got to finish it, and it will be finished when the record is set straight.

http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/nsw/content/2006/s1737619.htm

I knew the seventh player things was a crock when it first emerged. To absolutely know there was a seventh player would mean knowing who the player was. They didn't know the identity, so they couldn't have known for sure if it was a player anyway.
 

ibeme

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nqboy said:
what was in the first quarter of the transcript?

Just introductory stuff, and snippets from from various interviews/press conferences at the time, to set the scene. It doesn't really go into anything:

QUENTIN DEMPSTER: Welcome to Stateline New South Wales. I'm Quentin Dempster.

The world of ruby league was rocked again this week, with headlines linking first-grade football players and allegations of sexual assault. While the details are still emerging, the news again is damaging to a sporting code, whose reputation has suffered considerably in recent years. This week's news, allegedly involving the West Tigers Club, unnerved the Bulldogs Rugby League Club which knows what it's like to be in the media spotlight over rape allegations. In February 2004, a woman claimed she was gang raped by six members of the Bulldogs team at a Coffs Harbour resort swimming pool. No charges were ever laid, but the mud seems to have stuck. Now, Gary McEvoy, the police officer in charge of the first few days of the investigation, has spoken to Stateline and given his account of the matter. As you will see, the Bulldogs' reputation is not the only casualty from the Coffs Harbour affair. Sharon O'Neill reports.

NEWSFILE: Up to six players from Sydney’s Bulldogs Canterbury rugby league team have been questioned over an assault allegation made by a woman at Coffs Harbour.

DET SENIOR SGT GARY McEVOY, COFFS HARBOUR POLICE: It is alleged that that incident involved a number of members of the first grade NRL side, the Canterbury Bulldogs.

POLICE OFFICER: Police are appealing for any witnesses to an alleged sexual assault that occurred at the Novotel Pacific Bay Resort on 22 February this year.

DAVID GALLOP, NRL CHIEF: Let the police do their work.

REPORTER: Will there be any further cooperation with the police with the allegations that are currently surrounding the club?

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: The strike force believes there are people in the organisation who know what happen.

BULLDOGS SPOKESPERSON: As far as we are concerned, the witness statements from all our guys plus the independent witnesses – you know, there was nothing – there was nothing - there has been no crime here at all.

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: The Director of Public Prosecutions advice has assisted us in making the decision at Coffs Harbour that no charges will be laid against any player or official from the Bulldogs organisation.

SHARON O’NEILL: In late April 2004, Detective Chief Inspector Jason Bretton declared an end to the investigation of an alleged gang rape by the Bulldogs rugby league team by announcing there was in sufficient evidence to lay a charge against any player.

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: That's – that’s not a course of action we take in an investigation.

REPORTER: Is the case closed now?

CHIEF INSPECTOR BRETTON: Yes.
 

J-Lo Jolie

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To be honest.. I'm a bit disappointed with the WHOLE situation. The Bulldogs did not receive much support through it all, and then you look at other clubs who've made headlines recently for similar situations, everything seems to be kept on the quiet, but the bulldogs issue was PLASTERED all over.

I reckon it all comes down to attitude. Many believe that bulldogs supporters are shameful and the worst of the lot. So, why would it matter when something relates to the bulldogs? A lot of what is said is said only to add fuel to the fire. Most are not interested in "innonence" or the "truth". A lot of stuff is taken at face value these days.

I feel sorry for ALL teams who are ever involved in scandals such as these and I sympathise with them all. It's very easy for someone to cry sexual assault when it comes to celebrities because well...there are many reasons that I won't go into. Of course I'm not saying, that none of it can never happen, but I personally believe that it should go on behind closed doors. Investigations should take place without too much public involvement. For goodness sakes, we don't hear about every single rape or sexual assault that takes place on the news, what's so different in these situations??

NB: this is my personal opinion and is not meant to offend any one. If I do offend someone, I apologise well in advance for any offence taken.
 

Timmah

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Way to dig, nqboy :roll: It's appearing quite clear to me that you want something to have happened in Feb 2004.
 

wittyfan

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nqboy said:
Who is Sharon O'Neill? Is she the reporter/host?

Sharon O'Neill is a singer-songwriter from Nelson, New Zealand who began her career in the 1970's in her home country then gained major success in Australia with the hit Words and a string of hits following, How Do You Talk to Boys, Losing You and Maybe . The early 80's proved her most commercially successful with the Foreign Affairs album in 1983 spawning her biggest hit Maxine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_O'Neill
 

ibeme

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This is an extract from an ABC report in 2004, explaining briefly why charges weren't laid according to documents from the DPP's office.

But it was decided that, based on the available evidence, it wouldn't have been possible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a sexual assault took place. According to the documents, even the opportunity for gang rape to have occurred that morning, didn't exist.

The medical evidence and photographs of the young woman's body were inconsistent with the treatment she claimed to have received from a group of players that day.
According to the documents, three days earlier on the Wednesday night, the young woman had consensual group sex with five Bulldogs players in a room at the Pacific Bay Resort.

She was out of town on the Thursday and Friday, but by Saturday she'd returned to Coffs Harbour.

That night she had consensual sex with a player in a room at the Plantation Hotel. At one point she was rejected by another player, and complained to the hotel about harassment, but her complaint was dismissed by a bouncer who witnessed the exchange.

According to the documents, she caught a taxi with another player back to the Pacific Bay Resort, the two ended up at the pool where they had consensual sex. Several people witnessed the events.

He left, but she stayed behind in the pool. According to several witnesses, when the player returned, he offered to call her a taxi but she declined.

She then went back up to the hotel, to the room of the player who rejected her advances earlier. He and his roommate saw her coming and barred the door.

She left the hotel and some time later was found in the car park in a hysterical state.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1100045.htm

This supports the transcript posted earlier. And there was another article in the Weekend Australian (last year I think) which went into even further detail. It explained the events of the night, and highlighted the holes in the girls story.

One of the most important points, in terms of the investigation, is that the players version of events never changed from day one, and that version was supported by the independant witnesses all the way through.
 
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