Complaint of racial abuse in Roosters v Broncos

[Valheru]

I imagine if Penrith let all their Spencer Leniu level IQ players go they might struggle to get a team out most weeks

You will be pleased to know that in our next game Leniu will be replaced by one of the great thinkers of the NRL era... JWH

 

[soc123_au]

You will be pleased to know that in our next game Leniu will be replaced by one of the great thinkers of the NRL era... JWH

Nice to see you merkins wont be over the IQ cap. Have to adhere to one of them I suppose....

 

[Meth]

Tbh, when 'monkeygate' was going on with Symonds and Singh, I'm pretty sure I defended Singh and said that 'monkey' wasn't necessarily racist. But if Leniu doesn't know that 'monkey' has racist connotations by now, he's without excuse.

I'd say 4 weeks, based on Montoya's ban

 

[Canard]

Tbh, when 'monkeygate' was going on with Symonds and Singh, I'm pretty sure I defended Singh and said that 'monkey' wasn't necessarily racist. But if Leniu doesn't know that 'monkey' has racist connotations by now, he's without excuse.

I'd say 4 weeks, based on Montoya's ban

Given that Singh isn't a native English speaker, that could have been plausible.

As for Spencer

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

What's the general sentiment over there with the Kerr situation?

Couple articles I've read seemed pretty fking weak TBH; almost looking for reasons to excuse her (alleged) behaviour. Nothing like how Leniu is (rightly) being seen.

 

[Canard]

What's the general sentiment over there with the Kerr situation?

Couple articles I've read seemed pretty fking weak TBH; almost looking for reasons to excuse her (alleged) behaviour. Nothing like how Leniu is (rightly) being seen.

Pretty prominent in the news in the non NRL states, so much so that Spencer has been a non issue.(Usually they would have used it as a free kick)

It's a mix of "it's not that bad" to "it's unexceptable".

 

[Captain Apollo]

I had a pommy copper mate who told me, "I get in the car and my partner calls me a pommy kent, I arrest a white guy and he calls me a copper kent and the blackfellas call me a Captain Cook kent. I know I'm a kent, I'm just confused what sort of kent I am."

Is his first name Clark?

 

[Meth]

Given that Singh isn't a native English speaker, that could have been plausible.

As for Spencer

“You cheeky monkey” was fairly common and not racial in NZ when I was growing up. But yeah, everyone should know that it has racist connotations now.

 

[Meth]

Kerr’s insult is directly comparable to somebody saying “stupid black bastard”, but obviously won’t be penalised as such.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

I'd say 4 weeks, based on Montoya's ban

I don't think it's comparable with Montoya's ban. Montoya called a straight guy (as far as we know) a f****t. It's not really in the same stratosphere, IMO. A slur, nonetheless, but it's really not going to harm a straight person at all.

Calling an indigenous person a monkey is just so much worse. The way he said it - with all that aggression - he's cooked. He doubled down, acted like it was fun, went after him again, and then smirked his way through the airports like a Cheshire Cat.

The Roosters were complicit, IMO. A smart results drivien business, but scummy. That's why they win a lot, I guess. Other clubs probably would have done the same however I'm pretty sure that Spencer would have told them that he said it, and rather than have him own up and apologise, it seems like they waited for the clear evidence to show (slomo vision) to be seen before their ChatGPT apology. I could be wrong, but that's exactly how it looks.

 

[skeepe]

Kerr’s insult is directly comparable to somebody saying “stupid black bastard”, but obviously won’t be penalised as such.

I don't think what Kerr said was acceptable, but does it really rise to the level of a criminal charge for "aggravating behaviour causing alarm or distress"?

It would be the same if someone had used black instead of white - racially motivated yes, absolutely punishable by the sporting bodies involved... but criminal charges that could result in imprisonment? And it took them over a year to file those charges? Seems over the top.

 

[Meth]

I don't think what Kerr said was acceptable, but does it really rise to the level of a criminal charge for "aggravating behaviour causing alarm or distress"?

It would be the same if someone had used black instead of white - racially motivated yes, absolutely punishable by the sporting bodies involved... but criminal charges? And it took them over a year to file those charges? Seems over the top.

I wasn’t really making a comment on criminal charges. I think I’d need to know more than I do to have an opinion on that

 

[Meth]

I don't think it's comparable with Montoya's ban. Montoya called a straight guy (as far as we know) a f****t. It's not really in the same stratosphere, IMO. A slur, nonetheless, but it's really not going to harm a straight person at all.

Calling an indigenous person a monkey is just so much worse. The way he said it - with all that aggression - he's cooked. He doubled down, acted like it was fun, went after him again, and then smirked his way through the airports like a Cheshire Cat.

yeah ok, 4-6. I’m not that bothered by the severity, so long as it’s measured and consistent. Is there any kind of precedent for this? Montoya just sprung to mind as comparable.

 

[Meth]

I remember Gallen being fined about 10-15 years ago?

 

[cooko]

yeah ok, 4-6. I’m not that bothered by the severity, so long as it’s measured and consistent. Is there any kind of precedent for this? Montoya just sprung to mind as comparable.

Bryan Fletcher was fined and suspended for 1 match and Paul Gallen got a fine.

In terms of precedent can you give someone a more lengthy suspension as a warning to others? I think not.

 

[Meth]

Bryan Fletcher was fined and suspended for 1 match and Paul Gallen got a fine.

In terms of precedent can you give someone a more lengthy suspension as a warning to others? I think not.

I think enough time has passed and enough change (or desire for change) has been realized between these incidents and this for these to be ignored as a precedent.

As I said, I think montoya’s is a better precedent, especially if you accept Leniu’s claim that he didn’t intend it as a racist.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Bryan Fletcher was fined and suspended for 1 match and Paul Gallen got a fine.

In terms of precedent can you give someone a more lengthy suspension as a warning to others? I think not.

Thing is what happened with Bryan Fletcher was imposed by Souths as a penalty and not the NRL judiciary.

 

[Reflector]

What's the general sentiment over there with the Kerr situation?

Couple articles I've read seemed pretty fking weak TBH; almost looking for reasons to excuse her (alleged) behaviour. Nothing like how Leniu is (rightly) being seen.

There are some key differences:

a) Samantha is a woman

b) Samantha is a woman whose worldviews (I would guess) align more closely with those of Megan Rapinoe than Pauline Hanson

b) Samantha is a lesbian

c) Samantha plays a game (women's football) where the type of people who follow it closely are much more likely to also be the kind of people who hold luxury beliefs such as "racism against white people doesn't exist".

 

[RedVee]

I think enough time has passed and enough change (or desire for change) has been realized between these incidents and this for these to be ignored as a precedent.

As I said, I think montoya’s is a better precedent, especially if you accept Leniu’s claim that he didn’t intend it as a racist.

Ok Spencer, what did you intend?

 

[Vlad59]

I don't think what Kerr said was acceptable, but does it really rise to the level of a criminal charge for "aggravating behaviour causing alarm or distress"?

It would be the same if someone had used black instead of white - racially motivated yes, absolutely punishable by the sporting bodies involved... but criminal charges that could result in imprisonment? And it took them over a year to file those charges? Seems over the top.

Wouldn’t it depend on the circumstances it was stated and the venom it was delivered? Facts we know so far appear to involve a vomit in the cab, a dispute over the fare and then this alleged statement by her to the cop. The fact she’s been cleared of wrong doing by politicians and social media without any reference to these facts isn’t surprising.