Complaint of racial abuse in Roosters v Broncos

[Bazal]

I’m retired from that work. AAT, Human Rights Commission. Worked at the old SSAT (which was a joke). At the AAT I was in the Social Security Division. Great days and great work. finished up early 2000s.

Ahhhh the AHRC. We share some parts of juris with them.

 

[Matua]

You going to tell this player to shut up too? He's not Leniu and doesn't really know him, but he makes a point that it is more common than people want to acknowledge -

‘Called coconut many times’: Manly star’s shock defence of Leniu after monster ban

‘Called coconut many times’: Manly star’s shock defence of Leniu after monster ban

www.foxsports.com.au

"I've been called racist stuff so therefore it doesn't really matter" is not really a very good argument.

 

[Bazal]

"I've been called racist stuff so therefore it doesn't really matter" is not really a very good argument.

Well it is, in a lot of ways.

I'm not saying I agree, because I don't, or that it's necessarily right. Or even that Guacamole has made a point that'd be relevant to Leniu's case...but if you can demonstrate a pattern of behaviour and acceptance of that behaviour, it's a mitigating factor in plenty of proceedings.

Unclear why Rainbow Guacamole needed to get involved but in terms of Leniu's comments, they're perfectly valid as part of a defence

 

[Apey]

Players no doubt say derogatory things to each other all the time during play. It's accepted. It's the psychological warfare that goes on during play. Society and the game have taken a stand that within these parameters you can't say anything racist or homophobic or anything against someone's religion.

The question is whether calling someone a monkey is racist and you can't prove that it is. A monkey is simply a member of the animal kingdom. It's no different than calling someone a horse or a fish or a seal.

The only person who knows whether it was intended to be racist is Spencer Leniu. We can't hook his brain up to a computer to see what he was thinking, so all you can do is ask him. He said emphatically that he didn't mean it to be racist. So we have to believe him. We've got no proof to the contrary. Therefore he should have been found innocent.

Now really what should happen is for the Roosters to sue the judiciary for defamation of character because they are calling Leniu a liar without any proof.

Have a lie down mate.

 

[Apey]

You going to tell this player to shut up too? He's not Leniu and doesn't really know him, but he makes a point that it is more common than people want to acknowledge -

‘Called coconut many times’: Manly star’s shock defence of Leniu after monster ban

‘Called coconut many times’: Manly star’s shock defence of Leniu after monster ban

www.foxsports.com.au

From my understanding both Olakautu and Leniu are talking about other Polynesian players calling each other coconuts?

It's really not the same thing as calling an Indigenous person a monkey. A distinction that seems lost on your average rugby league fan on social media, too.

 

[Matua]

Well it is, in a lot of ways.

I'm not saying I agree, because I don't, or that it's necessarily right. Or even that Guacamole has made a point that'd be relevant to Leniu's case...but if you can demonstrate a pattern of behaviour and acceptance of that behaviour, it's a mitigating factor in plenty of proceedings.

Unclear why Rainbow Guacamole needed to get involved but in terms of Leniu's comments, they're perfectly valid as part of a defence

I have no idea who Rainbow Guacamole is, but it really isn't a good argument, in any way. That it could be used as an attempt to mitigate the outcome of a judiciary process doesn't make it a good argument, it's just an argument.

But I get your point that it's one that can be made within that process.

 

[Bazal]

I have no idea who Rainbow Guacamole is, but it really isn't a good argument, in any way. That it could be used as an attempt to mitigate the outcome of a judiciary process doesn't make it a good argument, it's just an argument.

But I get your point that it's one that can be made within that process.

It's a good argument in that it's valid. Is it good as in right? Probably not.

But there is plenty of precedent on mitigated behaviour where that behaviour was widely accepted. The entire trade industry basically has a pass on abusive language on the work site...

Again, not sure what the homophobic lad from Manly is driving at. But the other side of it is if that's true, the NRL needs to explore it and stop it

 

[Vee]

‘I should have handled that differently’: Robbo reveals Leniu regret, insists star is ‘not a racist’

‘I should have handled that differently’: Robbo reveals Leniu regret, insists star is ‘not a racist’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[The Man Shake]

Just want to say something about the Sam Kerr incident…

Putting aside the raging argument on social media about whether what she said is considered racist or not, based on what she (allegedly) did…she’s a complete and utter gronk (if it’s true).

Throwing up in a taxi, arguing over the cab fare and verbally abusing a police officer. Seems like the very definition of entitlement. I know the media like to put her up on a pedestal as the golden girl, she was featured heavily as a role model for young girls during the FIFA Women’s World Cup.

As of now and based on the information available, as far as I’m concerned, her name is mud.

 

[Pumpkin]

Wow. This post is dumb enough to have been made in the Eels forum.

Provide reasons.

 

[Pumpkin]

You are a sick ignorant

You are a sick ignorant little puppy

Why?

 

[Bazal]

Provide reasons.

Reasons?

Let's start with the fact you want him to be found innocent despite pleading guilty, clearly don't understand what racism is, or defamation for that matter, and want to apply a criminal standard to a tribunal setting.

All that is assuming in good faith that you aren't just a racist yourself

If all that isn't enough then I'd suggest further education before even trying to respond, honestly

 

[Foreign Legion]

 

[Matua]

It's a good argument in that it's valid. Is it good as in right? Probably not.

But there is plenty of precedent on mitigated behaviour where that behaviour was widely accepted. The entire trade industry basically has a pass on abusive language on the work site...

Again, not sure what the homophobic lad from Manly is driving at. But the other side of it is if that's true, the NRL needs to explore it and stop it

Let's use this (rather extreme) analogy, if I murder someone, is saying other people frequently murder people a good (valid) argument in mitigation?

Now, I assume that Leniu was charged under some rules that forbid racism, therefore other people breaking those rules shouldn't mitigate against him breaking those rules.

Agree with your last sentence, if racism is this widespread then the NRL needs to do something asap.

 

[Iamback]

Let's use this (rather extreme) analogy, if I murder someone, is saying other people frequently murder people a good (valid) argument in mitigation?

Now, I assume that Leniu was charged under some rules that forbid racism, therefore other people breaking those rules shouldn't mitigate against him breaking those rules.

Agree with your last sentence, if racism is this widespread then the NRL needs to do something asap.

Not all murders are the same though, That is why there is manslaughter for the lesser cases.

That is the point of being referred to the judicary over a straight punishment

In this case, He is an idiot as opposed to being racist. Whether the 8 weeks was the punishment anyway or whether he got a few weeks shaved off. We can only guess

If no one takes offence what can the NRL do?

 

[Pumpkin]

Reasons?

Let's start with the fact you want him to be found innocent despite pleading guilty, clearly don't understand what racism is, or defamation for that matter, and want to apply a criminal standard to a tribunal setting.

All that is assuming in good faith that you aren't just a racist yourself

If all that isn't enough then I'd suggest further education before even trying to respond, honestly

We are going around in circles. I'm trying to bring common sense to the issue and many of you guys keep dragging it back into darkness and ignorance. You must have a hidden agenda against indigenous people because you are not interested in discussing solutions to their problems. GaggIing people from uttering common and harmless words is not a solution.

 

[Wb1234]

and they were warned not to do anything bad at Vegas

leniu is lucky he didn’t cop the season and a few people above a month for bringing the game into disrepute

 

[Bazal]

Let's use this (rather extreme) analogy, if I murder someone, is saying other people frequently murder people a good (valid) argument in mitigation?

Now, I assume that Leniu was charged under some rules that forbid racism, therefore other people breaking those rules shouldn't mitigate against him breaking those rules.

Agree with your last sentence, if racism is this widespread then the NRL needs to do something asap.

Well that's easy. Criminal matters have a very different standard. Especially serious criminal matters.

My example is relevant because it actually sits in many of the same Acts as racially motivated conduct, especially verbal conduct...in an office, if I call my co worker a f**ken useless piece of shit who should f**k off out my sight before I launch a stapler at his face, I'm in deep shit. If I do it on a building site it's a Tuesday. This is actually a proper legal defence that has mitigated workplace claims in trade environments

 

[Bazal]

We are going around in circles. I'm trying to bring common sense to the issue and many of you guys keep dragging it back into darkness and ignorance. You must have a hidden agenda against indigenous people because you are not interested in discussing solutions to their problems. GaggIing people from uttering common and harmless words is not a solution.

Right so you're a troll. Good to know

 

[Apey]

You must have a hidden agenda against indigenous people because you are not interested in discussing solutions to their problems.

Are indigenous people second class citizens or sub human? The answer to that is no! It's as simple as that. So why does a simple word ie "monkey" trigger this response in them? It must be because somewhere in their psyche they are not entirely convinced of being equal with others. Aha! We've stumbled on the root cause. They need to fix that hole in their psyche so that a simple word doesn't hurt them anymore.

Pumpkin has solved racist slurs