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Consortium forms to push a second New Zealand NRL team based in Wellington

Evil_Mush

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Looking up the crowd figures for league games at Westpac Stadium (via their website), Warriors games average 21148 (7 games), Kiwis tests average 20542 (6 games) with overall average 20868.

That's pretty good I'd say.
Especially considering One of the low crowds (13K for Raiders in 03) was on an absolutely brutal cold & wet night (I remember it well, traveled down from Palmy Nth for the pleasure!) and if that last test had started at 7.30 like pretty much every other night game that has been played there I'm sure that crowd would've cracked 30K also.

This comparing to crowds for other sports I think is flawed, league is far better to watch!!!!! Totally unbiased opinion of course. ...
 
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shiznit

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As I said in the other thread....

If Owen Glenn were to own this new club... The derby with the Warriors would be f**king awesome...

:lol:
 

Juju

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Looking up the crowd figures for league games at Westpac Stadium (via their website), Warriors games average 21148 (7 games), Kiwis tests average 20542 (6 games) with overall average 20868.

That's pretty good I'd say.
Especially considering One of the low crowds (13K for Raiders in 03) was on an absolutely brutal cold & wet night (I remember it well, traveled down from Palmy Nth for the pleasure!) and if that last test had started at 7.30 like pretty much every other night game that has been played there I'm sure that crowd would've cracked 30K also.

This comparing to crowds for other sports I think is flawed, league is far better to watch!!!!! Totally unbiased opinion of course. ...
The issue would be the crowd average over 12 games a year though - The model they would need would be similar to the Warriors need to break-even 14k attendance average over 12 home games.
I'm not sure Wellington could sustain that with a average team.

You have to think what is actually better for the league in terms of TV money also - to me Perth is the only way to go - as it opens up a untapped money and a big TV market.
They now have a great rectangular stadium.
 

SpaceMonkey

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I still think a wellington/Christchurch split is the way to go. If you structure it so 2/3 of the home games are in welly and 1/3 in Christchurch, you end up with a game in wellington every 3 weeks on average (though the draw would mean it would vary a bit) and one in chch every 6 weeks. You'd need to offer cheaper single city membership packages as well but the extra population reached should compensate for that.
 

shiznit

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Lets get one New Zealand based club winning titles before we talk about a number two...
I don't agree with that...

Your holding back RL in NZ based on the fact that the Warriors are imcompenent.

It needs to be judged on whether the other club is viable...

The Warriors have had 20yrs to get there shit sorted... Just think what the game would be like if they didn't expand until cronulla got a premiership..
 
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In all seriousness there would need to be massive salary cap concessions for a second team, like the AFL does for the newer clubs in development areas, but NSWRL/NRL doesn't seem to have a very good history of doing this as other clubs put their hands out for more money and concessions as well.
It would need a couple of big names to get it off the ground.
 

TheDMC

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How could it be that 17.2% of NRL players are NZ born (or heritage or whatever), yet NZ could not manage to host two NRL clubs? Are we just a f**ken NRL breeding pasture?
 

Fast Eddie

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Would be cool but A city of 1.3-1.4 million, where the majority of League fans are Warriors fans gets crowd averages of 12-16000 or so. I could only imagine what the crowds would be like for a Wellington franchise especially if they started poorly. But then I guess the Titans and the Sharks are still around.
 

Lockyer4President!

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How could it be that 17.2% of NRL players are NZ born (or heritage or whatever), yet NZ could not manage to host two NRL clubs? Are we just a f**ken NRL breeding pasture?

Same as Central America for the MLB (or Canada for the NHL, in a way). The talent is there to support a couple of teams, the economy might not be though.
 

Meth

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Would only work if Richie McCaw and Dan Carter where in the team down in those parts!!! :sarcasm:

There's actually a reasonably sizeable, ardent and devoted rugby league community in Christchurch. This has always been the case.
 

TheDMC

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There's actually a reasonably sizeable, ardent and devoted rugby league community in Christchurch. This has always been the case.

I like the idea of ChCh based more than Wellington, not based on any hard facts or numbers, but just my feeling having lived in both cities. ChCh gets behind its sports much more than and is very professional about running sports. And then you have more direct access and 'ownership' of the South Island's other areas and cities.

In ChCh, apart from the established RL fanbase, they could target university student market with some clever promotion. Get a couple of thousand student RL converts and they would turn up regularly for sure.

Not sure the corporate dollar in ChCh would be available for League, its all pretty conservative on that front and thus more tailored to Union.


A dual-city bid - ChCh and Wellington - that has been suggested, while unusual could possibly work..split the games up a bit and draw the crowds through not over supplying the market. End of the day, Warriors are based in Auckland but clearly much of their supporter base is from outside Auck (Oz, rest of NZ) and because it is the only NZ-based team, so the city/suburb parochialism is not the be all it is in Australia although important for gate receipts. TV market interest and corporate interest more important than gate receipts.

The warriors could do with some NZ market competition, would mean they really have to shape up. Would be a win-win all round for NZ league. Major problem is that a 2nd NZ is likely not the best option for the actual NRL and I don't think NZRL/NZ has much leverage, which considering the importance of NZ player numbers and market to the NRL sucks.

I am speaking out of my arse on all aspects above, clearly.
 

LeagueNut

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league...lub-says-new-zealand-warriors-chief-jim-doyle

Wellington unlikely to get new NRL club, says New Zealand Warriors chief Jim Doyle

Watching the New Zealand Warriors will be as close as Wellington fans get to NRL action for another decade.

That is the view of former NRL chief operating officer, turned Warriors managing director, Jim Doyle.

The Warriors will host St George Illawarra at Westpac Stadium on August 9, which will make it three trips to Wellington in as many years for the Auckland-based club.

Doyle said the Warriors had an obligation to take at least one home match around the country and average crowds of 26,000 at Westpac Stadium for their 2013 match with Canterbury-Bankstown, and this year's win over the Wests Tigers, meant it was logical to continue that arrangement.

It had nothing to do with winning over fans here, amid talk that Wellington could be the base for a new club by 2017 should the NRL opt to expand the 16-team competition.

"There is an appetite [for expansion] in the long term.

"In the short to medium term I think [the NRL] will be looking to consolidate their financial position and that'll largely be based on broadcast [revenue]," Doyle said.

"The only way they would expand is if they get significantly more broadcast dollars, so they can pay for the additional cost of expansion.

"They're locked in now [to a broadcast deal] till 2017 and I'd be surprised if they wanted to expand for the next broadcast deal.

"That one will lock them into another four or five-year contract, so that'll be through to 2021 or 2022.

"To me, it would only be then that they would possibly be looking to expand, which would be in the next broadcast deal which would be 2022 through to 2026."

Doyle was second-in-command at the NRL until a month ago so, despite the new gig, he can talk with some authority about the notion of New Zealand getting a second club.

A four-strong consortium, fronted by Sydney lawyer Robert Picone with support from the Wellington Rugby League, had talked about being able to start a team from scratch when the NRL's present broadcast deal expires.

But Doyle indicated that Wellington's best bet might be an existing Sydney club that was told to find a home elsewhere, rather than expansion.

"You'd have to add two teams to the competition and, realistically, 18 teams? Will that dilute the quality or is it maybe better to relocate a team or two and then expand?

"There's all that sort of thinking to be done," said Doyle.

In the meantime, he said the Warriors were delighted to continue their relationship with Wellington.

He and Westpac Stadium chief executive Shane Harmon spent several weeks putting a deal together for next year's Dragons game and Doyle suggested the Warriors would continue turning up in Wellington for as long as the fans did.
No great surprises there really.

I wonder if the better option would be for a Wellington (and maybe even Christchurch?) team to join the NSW Cup?
 
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Wellington Weta's (WETA for many reasons. The Native Insect of NZ and they are tough bastards) plus WETA workshop element. A mate suggested Wellington Wolves but nothing Wellington about Wolves but does sound cool too. No to Orcas for me
 

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