Corona Virus and NRL Games

[Dragonslayer]

It's intetesting this comparison of the flu v COVID.

Yes the flu kills people every year and (probably) in greater numbers, however, as we are aware, the flu is seasonal, Winter is the time or 'flu season', we can prepare by getting vaccines or even just taking care of ourselves. We all know it's coming and we prepare. Add to this 'flu season' is different in opposing hemispheres. COVID, on the other hand, has struck 'out of the blue' (so to speak) and has impacted the World at the same time. No seasonal divide, and has struck in countries who have very little or even no seasonal flu.
This is why COVID cannot he compared to the Flu.
A very small percentage of the Worlds population are alive now that lived through the last pandemic, most would have been babies and have no memory of it.
So, the 'security' measures put in place are/were harsh? Libertarians would shout a resounding yes. Maybe our World has become a little too free, especially when laws enforced for 'safety' have been misconstrued as 'home detention', as I read someone say.
We are damn lucky to be living in this great country, our infections and death rates considerably low compared to the US (for example), could this be the result of harsh laws? What is the real cost of a haircut or massage in todays environment? And whatcwould becthe ultimate cost of a 2nd wave of infections.
Endurance for a few weeks longer and we will see things return to normal faster.
The flu comes and goes, we are used to that, COVID will do the same.

 

[redandwhite4evr]

Closer to 1/40th of the world's population. There were less than 2 billion people in 1919.

I don't know who is calling covid-19 the worst ever but there are reasons why the Flu killed so many 100 years ago. For a start they didn't have flu shots back in 1919.

The potential for covid-19 to be just as deadly is there to see. That's what the experts are saying and I don't consider myself qualified to argue with them.

In the UK, they were slow to act and are paying the price. I have a sister-in-law who is a nurse in the Midlands. She is the front line helping to save lives, She caught the virus. Her whole family were infected. Luckily they were all healthy enough and recovered, but it's pretty scary just the same.

We're very fortunate in Australia. We live on a big bloody island continent and action was taken earlier enough to stop it getting to UK proportions. We have to careful not to fall into the trap of thinking that covid-19 is/was overstated. It's only because of hard work, modern medical science and good luck that we find ourselves in a relatively good position.

The elephant in the room of course is that we are going into Southern Hemisphere winter. There have been all sorts of claims made about the life of airborne COVID droplets and the life of the virus on surfaces in various temperatures and levels of humidity that maximise its transmission etc but one fact about the transmission of Covid 19 that seems to be undisputed is that, here at least, the overwhelming number of reported cases have stemmed from indoor exposure.

Worryingly, what increases in winter is people huddling together indoors for warmth.

Happily for Australia, we don't have the extreme temperatures and density of population that cold weather COVID hot spots like New York has with its Arctic temperatures and high rise apartment living. But Sydney, Melbourne and to a lesser extent the ACT and Tasmania would seem to have good reason to be cautious in their approaches to easing restrictions in coming months.

Conversely, the Northern Territory, with its tropical climate, may end up being the big winner in attracting sporting "hubs" such as the AFL- particularly as the dry season is upon us.

 

[TruSaint]

It's intetesting this comparison of the flu v COVID.

Yes the flu kills people every year and (probably) in greater numbers, however, as we are aware, the flu is seasonal, Winter is the time or 'flu season', we can prepare by getting vaccines or even just taking care of ourselves. We all know it's coming and we prepare. Add to this 'flu season' is different in opposing hemispheres. COVID, on the other hand, has struck 'out of the blue' (so to speak) and has impacted the World at the same time. No seasonal divide, and has struck in countries who have very little or even no seasonal flu.
This is why COVID cannot he compared to the Flu.
A very small percentage of the Worlds population are alive now that lived through the last pandemic, most would have been babies and have no memory of it.
So, the 'security' measures put in place are/were harsh? Libertarians would shout a resounding yes. Maybe our World has become a little too free, especially when laws enforced for 'safety' have been misconstrued as 'home detention', as I read someone say.
We are damn lucky to be living in this great country, our infections and death rates considerably low compared to the US (for example), could this be the result of harsh laws? What is the real cost of a haircut or massage in todays environment? And whatcwould becthe ultimate cost of a 2nd wave of infections.
Endurance for a few weeks longer and we will see things return to normal faster.
The flu comes and goes, we are used to that, COVID will do the same.

Good post.

Article below makes 4 pretty simple distinctions between the 2.

Critics said the flu kills more than coronavirus. Why that's not a fair comparison -- and now, it's not even true

Article bemow makes 4 pretty simple distinctions between the 2.

Coronavirus is much more contagious than the flu
Coronavirus has killed at a much faster rate
Coronavirus can be spread for many days without symptoms
and
You can get a flu vaccine but not a coronavirus vaccine

Experts say the number of flu deaths could be drastically reduced if more people got flu shots. Even if you get a flu vaccine and later catch the flu, the symptoms are usually less severe.
Yet about half of Americans don't get vaccinated, including most children who die from the flu.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/01/health/flu-vs-coronavirus-deaths/index.html

 

[muzby]

Worryingly, what increases in winter is people huddling together indoors for warmth.

They really should get a heater then.

 

[muzby]

Read the stats on last years flu...It killed more in the same 60-90 day timeframe in this country from the 1st death known. (i.e. more than double Covid did between Feb end of April.)..with some sort of flu vaccine available.....

You seem to be overlooking the fact that last year the flu had the added advantages of sporting events & concerts with large crowds of people to help spread it.. Workplaces and pubs full of people.. Far less disinfecting every possible surface..

You only have to look at the rate of contagion per 100 people in places like the USA and Europe to see what could have happened had we not done anything.

The facts are there - it’s more contagious and more deadly than the regular flu. I also believe we’ll have a softer flu season this year due to the the current measures.

But claiming the lockdown is a waste because less than 100 people have died is like saying we should make school zones 80km/h as hardly any kids are hit outside schools.

 

[Willow]

Good post.

Article below makes 4 pretty simple distinctions between the 2.

Critics said the flu kills more than coronavirus. Why that's not a fair comparison -- and now, it's not even true

Article bemow makes 4 pretty simple distinctions between the 2.

Coronavirus is much more contagious than the flu
Coronavirus has killed at a much faster rate
Coronavirus can be spread for many days without symptoms
and
You can get a flu vaccine but not a coronavirus vaccine

Experts say the number of flu deaths could be drastically reduced if more people got flu shots. Even if you get a flu vaccine and later catch the flu, the symptoms are usually less severe.
Yet about half of Americans don't get vaccinated, including most children who die from the flu.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/01/health/flu-vs-coronavirus-deaths/index.html

Last flu season in the USA has an estimated maximum of 62,000 dead over six months. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Coronavirus has killed 65,000 in the last six weeks and is rising. The USA have a president who doesn't listen.

The next time someone says it's no worse than the flu, just point to the USA.

 

[TruSaint]

Last flu season in the USA has estimated maximum of 62,000 dead over six months. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Coronavirus has killed 65,000 in the last six weeks and is rising. The USA have president who doesn't listen.

The next time someone says it's no worse than the flu, just point to the USA.

Correct. The leadership there is woeful.
As per the article I posted above, another factor to remember is that many young and old that die from the flu , could be avoided through vaccination, which is a luxury we dont have with Covid19.

 

[Willow]

They really should get a heater then.

What's a heater?

 

[muzby]

What's a heater?

According to Mrs muzby it’s a magical free gas powered system that should be on all day every day in winter, allowing you to walk around inside without a jumper..

 

[Willow]

According to Mrs muzby it’s a magical free gas powered system that should be on all day every day in winter, allowing you to walk around inside without a jumper..

Ah, so the opposite to air con.

What's a jumper?

 

[muzby]

Ah, so the opposite to air con.

What's a jumper?

The opposite to a singlet

 

[Willow]

The opposite to a singlet

lol.
Singlets are something you wear under a shirt.

Still wearing shorts and t-shirt. I do have a jacket that gets a wearing about 3 weeks every year.

Last time I used a heater was when I lived in Collingwood - 6 great months. It was one of those kerosene heaters. It's probably still there.

 

[muzby]

lol.
Singlets are something you wear under a shirt.

Exactly.. And jumpers go over

 

[Willow]

I honestly do not own a jumper.

 

[muzby]

I honestly do not own a jumper.

What happens when the temperature drops all the way down to 25 degrees?

 

[Willow]

What happens when the temperature drops all the way down to 25 degrees?

What is 25 degrees?

 

[Banjo2014]

You thank God you are in Australia at the moment - I just deleted an entire post on the restrictions here in Philippines which would shock everyone.

 

[Willow]

Adelaide Crows being investigated by poilce for breaking social distancing laws. AFL are calling it an honest mistake.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...ating-crows-social-distancing-breach/12227606

I'm glad the virus understands that making an honest mistake is a form of immunity.

P.S. can't see any mention in the article of names or players apologising

 

[TruSaint]

Adelaide Crows being investigated by poilce for breaking social distancing laws. AFL are calling it an honest mistake.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...ating-crows-social-distancing-breach/12227606

I'm glad the virus understands that making an honest mistake is a form of immunity.

P.S. can't see any mention in the article of names or players apologising

They had clearance from SA Police mate.

SA POLICE MAKE CALL ON CROWS BREACH

South Australian police have reportedly cleared the Adelaide Crows of any legal wrongdoing for their AFL training breach.

The Crows had 16 players in the Barossa in isolation, after they returned from interstate, with the group needing to spend 14 days alone.

However, with special permission from the South Australian Police, they were able to break quarantine laws and leave their hotel rooms.

Under rules from the AFL, the players were able to train in groups of two. But, the club confirmed on Thursday this wasn’t completed during a session.

South Australian police deemed that, given the training group did not exceed 10 players and did not break any quarantine exemptions they were afforded, the Crows had no case to answer.

Still, the group of eight players did break the AFL’s requirement for players to train in pairs and will likely receive their punishment from the league today.

foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-covid19-coronavirus-updates-afl-restart-date-budget-cuts-financial-strain-job-losses/news-story/010e807a313ed402e4bf71921e2942a7

 

[avocado]

I honestly do not own a jumper.

I had you down as a yellow cardigan kinda guy.