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greenBV4

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Pretty much. But that being said, how they have not brought in tougher restrictions and punishments for breaches is absolutely ridiculous.

Not to mention 94 of cases in the last 24 hours are from unknown sources. The contact tracing in Victoria has simply not been good enough.
Talk is apparently a good portion of the cases are related to essential jobs that would need to stay operational even throughout a stage 4 lockdown, thus a stage 4 lockdown wouldn't have as much of an effect (I still think it's inevitable though)

I think a lot of the blame needs to go to shitty employers aswell, Ive heard many stories of bosses not letting employees take sick days, and some outright telling then not to get tested (trump logic, no test = no virus). My sister in NSW got her shifts drastically cut and threatened to be sacked after refusing to go to work sick when they told her she still had to
 

sup42

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Honour the anzacs by killing the elderly.
Your Diggers and our Kiwi Anzacs had the Spanish Flu to contend with. Somewhere in the ball part of fifty to one hundred and fifty million dead world wide.
They will be turning in their graves in disgust.

Its funny that things like social distancing first came into being in the thirteen hundreds during the black death, cities in lock downs.

People who thought the earth was flat had more intelligence than this lot.
 

sup42

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Talk is apparently a good portion of the cases are related to essential jobs that would need to stay operational even throughout a stage 4 lockdown, thus a stage 4 lockdown wouldn't have as much of an effect (I still think it's inevitable though)
To get rapid complete community elimination this is true. Level four decisions have to be made early.

It can still work though, it just takes longer and more resources. Even with an early level four lock down you have some spread through essential services, NZ saw that with hospital staff becoming a cluster, however fewer and smaller clusters by virtue of less exposure points is better than any watered down local type lock downs.
 

Greenbits

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The problem wasn't taking a suppression v elimination strategy.

SA, WA, ACT, NT, Queensland and Tasmania all achieved a state of no community transmissions for a month or more. NSW had had minimal community transmissions for a month and Victoria's numbers were dropping rapidly. We were headed to the same point as NZ without the severity of restrictions and with higher baseline numbers

And then some security guards f**ked girls in quarantine, and well, here we are. We'd be here regardless of our strategy unless that strategy involved not allowing security guards to f**k girls in quarantine.

Now everyone is over it and a small minority are doing whatever the hell they please, prolonging the misery for everyone.
 

siv

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What are peoples thoughts on what NRL season 2021 will look like

What will happen to bubble post Nov 1 when clubs mive to their pre-season program

What about NSW Cup/Qld Cup/RG and U20s

Thew way covid is contining it may have a effect not only on 2020 but also on 2021
 

greenBV4

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What are peoples thoughts on what NRL season 2021 will look like

What will happen to bubble post Nov 1 when clubs mive to their pre-season program

What about NSW Cup/Qld Cup/RG and U20s

Thew way covid is contining it may have a effect not only on 2020 but also on 2021
100% nothing about 2021 will be "back to normal"
how effected it is though we will have to just wait and see
 

siv

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100% nothing about 2021 will be "back to normal"
how effected it is though we will have to just wait and see

Doubt it the way things are going

No vaccine, outbreaks still popping up. International travel being reported as not returning to normal till 2024

We are 7 months in since it started and no closer to being able to keep it under control across the globe

NRL will soon have to start planning as if its going to effect 2021

2021 Pre-season kicks off in 3 months
 

sup42

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What are peoples thoughts on what NRL season 2021 will look like

What will happen to bubble post Nov 1 when clubs mive to their pre-season program

What about NSW Cup/Qld Cup/RG and U20s

Thew way covid is contining it may have a effect not only on 2020 but also on 2021
Start thinking about 2021-2023.

The only way out of this is if Australia achieves zero Covid, NZ from a Warriors pov maintains zero covid, until a Vaccine has been widely distributed.

If a Vaccine is found say at the end of this year, it would take a Vaccination program a minimum of twelve months to achieve wide uptake in a country of twenty plus million people.

This will only happen if Australia has a special deal with the manufacturer.

Otherwise Australia on a global waiting list will rank below the US, Europe, Brittan, and Latin America, parts of Asia, in terms of priority.

New Zealand for the same reason, will be one of the last on any global distribution list.

It all depends who develops the Vaccine first, of course in a lucky world that would be Australia, but even then, next year is gone as far as normality goes.
 

azza29

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This will only happen if Australia has a special deal with the manufacturer.
I think the plan is that CSL would be able to license any vaccine for manufacture locally, which may speed things up somewhat. It could also be the case that the most vulnerable groups (elderly, frontline workers) would be prioritised which would lessen the overall risk and allow things to open up more quickly.

Agree that 2021 will likely be impacted in some way, hopefully these new restrictions in Victoria do the job and we get back to zero community transmission in a couple of months.
 

Styles clash

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I think a lot of the blame needs to go to shitty employers aswell, Ive heard many stories of bosses not letting employees take sick days, and some outright telling then not to get tested (trump logic, no test = no virus). My sister in NSW got her shifts drastically cut and threatened to be sacked after refusing to go to work sick when they told her she still had to

How many Australians are underemployed and casual will be a revelation for some people.
 

sup42

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I think the plan is that CSL would be able to license any vaccine for manufacture locally, which may speed things up somewhat. It could also be the case that the most vulnerable groups (elderly, frontline workers) would be prioritised which would lessen the overall risk and allow things to open up more quickly.

Agree that 2021 will likely be impacted in some way, hopefully these new restrictions in Victoria do the job and we get back to zero community transmission in a couple of months.
Not to be the merchant of doom, more talking somewhat from a devils advocate pov.

You can scale up production locally, provided the Nation that develops the Vaccine is Aus friendly, in this regard one hopes it is developed outside of China. So far the Chinese main candidate is a flop. Their candidate did not develop lasting immunity.

As far as time frames go, time is being saved in two ways, one is skipping the usual years of animal trials, the other is the ramping up of production capability. In doing so they have also cut out a lot of the checking mechanisms as per policies and protocols for the testing of medicines, especially Vaccine candidates, which are usually very stringent.

There are four promising candidates, the two making the most noise are the Oxford Vaccine and the Moderna Vaccine.

Ordinarily it takes ten years to develop vaccines with fail rate in the ninety percentile. So despite early promise, we need to brace for the reality that the odds are stacked very high in this game. Basically we have six critical months ahead of us, to wait and see if immunity lasts, and whether a second booster shot is part of that deal. And lastly obviously how safe and well tolerated the vaccine is.

People worried about the Vaccine and its risks tend to overstate the issues of skipping animal testing....they forget that even without animal trials, the only trial that matters is the human trials. I would only be concerned if I was part of a stage three or earlier trial in this context, part of the experimental phase in other words.

Unless you are part of the initial group getting the Vaccine now, without animal testing, you have nothing to worry about, provided you get vaccinated after the longitudinal data from the experimental phase is in.

The final stress part of this system is distribution and administration. At the moment a Vaccine is administered by a medical health professional with a minimum supervision period of fifteen minutes in case of an allergic reaction. Add A bunch of minutes for registration to have the vaccine.

This speaks to your point about giving a Corona Virus vaccine to the elderly first. That is almost certainly the approach they will take, you cant just say we are open for business, one and all come in, logistically that isn't realistic.

There is one big problem though, and that is that the Elderly are less responsive to vaccines generally in terms of developing immunity. We live with this fact since there is nothing we can do about it, and because the FLu mutates, therefore Vaccines have to be given yearly, and some mortality is accepted as a fact of life.

In the case of Covid, the Elderly will be best protected by a wide and extensive ninety percent uptake of the Vaccine by the general population. Protecting the elderly by removing Covid from the herd, rather than be solely reliant on the Elderly developing immunity in their immunosupressed bodies.

So Governments will have to make a choice, whether to risk the Elderly or wait until the Masses are vaccinated also.

A mass roll out would require massive resources, since up till now, vaccines are either primarily targeted at a percentage of the population (Influenza given to the over sixties primarily) or they are staggered in children by their birth dates.

So you are certainly right that they will prioritize risk groups in getting the Vaccine to work, however for it to work safely, it will have to hit the majority of citizens in a massive nation wide drive.

Factor in that a registered health professional has to administer the vaccine and monitor the patient for fifteen minutes re allergic reactions. Extrapolate that wait time over twenty five million people. It can be done, but it will be a massive undertaking and I cannot imagine it being achieved in terms of inoculating a country the size of Australia in anything shy of twelve months. Also everything is doubled if it turns out you you need a booster shot say after three months.

This is a big deal and will take a long time to solve, the NRL need to think about two years in case. That is if we are talking a return to normality, crowds in stadiums.

It will be interesting to see how many anti vaxers emerge in the playing group in this scenario and how that impacts the competition getting full clearance do away with the bubbles by health authorities. I can imagine some delays there.
 
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jargan83

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Clive Palmer has become public enemy #1 in WA!
I hope he doesn't plan on doing any business here for the foreseeable future. If he wins the case then there will be no border lock downs and it will be free for all, then we are all fricked!

Not exactly

The WA Government can tailor restrictions to a High Court ruling if necessary.

Even if Clive wins in the High Court he still may not gain entry to WA, especially given Clive got his pilot to fill his application form in and did it incorrectly - Clive Palmer was listed as a spouse lol.
 

t-ba

Post Whore
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Not exactly

The WA Government can tailor restrictions to a High Court ruling if necessary.

Even if Clive wins in the High Court he still may not gain entry to WA, especially given Clive got his pilot to fill his application form in and did it incorrectly - Clive Palmer was listed as a spouse lol.

Is there some kind of fund I can donate to for this purpose?

Fatty Mcf**khead needs to be dragged.
 

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