Cronulla Scandal - tonight on 7.30 Report ABC

[kmav23]

Central coast, Perth, Adelaide, and another qld team are all waiting.

 

[Fire]

No-one is being kicked out Fire, the NRL knows better.

This Cronulla stuff is being over-hyped because they're everyone's favourite club to hang shit on (often for good reason, mind...) and the Sydney media love a negative story.

It's mostly the same journos that were saying the Melbourne Storm would be collapse after the salary cap scandal and that the NRL would need to split the game into quarters if it wanted to get close to a billion dollar tv deal, etc.

I hope so, but I distrust Dave Smith with what he has already done (i.e., banning fights and shoulder charges). Personally, I distrust bankers more than lawyers - and Smith is a f**king snake in my opinion (an intelligent, thick skinned, snake who will earn the game lots of money, though).

Anyways, sharp post, can't really disagree with anything else in it.

 

[kmav23]

I hope so, but I distrust Dave Smith with what he has already done (i.e., banning fights and shoulder charges). Personally, I distrust bankers more than lawyers - and Smith is a f**king snake in my opinion (an intelligent, thick skinned, snake who will earn the game lots of money, though).

Anyways, sharp post, can't really disagree with anything else in it.

What do you think the player want most?

They want 800k salaries.... More money!

 

[Fire]

What do you think the player want most?

They want 800k salaries.... More money!

I cannot argue with that.

They've also had the salary cap increased and the minimum wage increased to AU$80,000.

What worries me (and it is off-topic to this thread) is where "the game" will be in 10, 15, 20 years???

The "oh it's a professional sport these days" is a cop out. The game will lose it's soul (and everything that is/was great about it) I believe. It will lose everything that made it such a lucrative money-maker to people such as Dave Smith. That's irony right there.

 

[magpie4ever]

Hahaha, mate, honestly, I'm not trolling. It's just the "vibe" I've picked up from listening to Smith talk about youse.

Also, I was genuine, you guys are OK - our sport needs these rivalries. No-one should be kicked out (not even the Rabbitohs). That's just a shit go.

I'm more than happy to have egg on my face. But Smith always talks about your "NRL License" and how he gives it to you guys to do as you please with it. Anyways, in my opinion the NRL and ASADA have reached an agreement to hold off on the findings of ASADA's investigation until the season is over - so all will be revealed then if my hunch is correct.[/QUOTE]

Very deep, Fire.

 

[Perth Red]

I cannot argue with that.

They've also had the salary cap increased and the minimum wage increased to AU$80,000.

What worries me (and it is off-topic to this thread) is where "the game" will be in 10, 15, 20 years???

The "oh it's a professional sport these days" is a cop out. The game will lose it's soul (and everything that is/was great about it) I believe. It will lose everything that made it such a lucrative money-maker to people such as Dave Smith. That's irony right there.

you seem to be confusing "the game" with "the NRL". They are not one and the same. The NRL is a very important but really in the grand scheme of players etc small part of the game of RL.

Seems the inference from the ABC report is that Cronulla may not have been totally honest in the way they declared the Gallen salary cap breach. The emails that the ABC have got a hold of would suggest deliberate payment to a player by a third party to rort the cap rather than the oversight of not declaring payment by the club that was put forward. I thought a $150k fine didn't seem overly harsh for a club deliberately rorting the cap for 3 years with an under the desk payment to a star player, maybe why?

 

[bartman]

I cannot argue with that.

They've also had the salary cap increased and the minimum wage increased to AU$80,000.

What worries me (and it is off-topic to this thread) is where "the game" will be in 10, 15, 20 years???

The "oh it's a professional sport these days" is a cop out. The game will lose it's soul (and everything that is/was great about it) I believe. It will lose everything that made it such a lucrative money-maker to people such as Dave Smith. That's irony right there.

It already has. I blame Rupert and his mates, from back around 1995.

 

[bartman]

you seem to be confusing "the game" with "the NRL". They are not one and the same. The NRL is a very important but really in the grand scheme of players etc small part of the game of RL.

Seems the inference from the ABC report is that Cronulla may not have been totally honest in the way they declared the Gallen salary cap breach. The emails that the ABC have got a hold of would suggest deliberate payment to a player by a third party to rort the cap rather than the oversight of not declaring payment by the club that was put forward. I thought a $150k fine didn't seem overly harsh for a club deliberately rorting the cap for 3 years with an under the desk payment to a star player, maybe why?

Maybe they know what is coming at the end of the ASADA process, and are just going to wait until the off-season when we'll find out if the NRL Licence can stay with the Sharks or whether the club will be dissolved by way of the fall out from the Peptide program?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Why wouldn't he renew the licence?
Our crowds and memberships are up.
We have a massive property development ready to go.

Team wise....looking at successive finals campaigns.

So.
What. Bit of scandal

Waaaaaah

 

[magpie4ever]

you seem to be confusing "the game" with "the NRL". They are not one and the same. The NRL is a very important but really in the grand scheme of players etc small part of the game of RL.

Seems the inference from the ABC report is that Cronulla may not have been totally honest in the way they declared the Gallen salary cap breach. The emails that the ABC have got a hold of would suggest deliberate payment to a player by a third party to rort the cap rather than the oversight of not declaring payment by the club that was put forward. I thought a $150k fine didn't seem overly harsh for a club deliberately rorting the cap for 3 years with an under the desk payment to a star player, maybe why?

Excellent point.

 

[carcharias]

Excellent point.

You do know it was the sharks who alerted the nrl to the breach don't you?
It was months and months ago.

Don't you follow the news?

 

[Diesel]

Aren't most licenses for 5 years before getting renewed

 

[Diesel]

Why wouldn't he renew the licence?
Our crowds and memberships are up.
We have a massive property development ready to go.

Team wise....looking at successive finals campaigns.

So.
What. Bit of scandal

Waaaaaah

That's exactly why I think they'll force a relocation rather than getting the chop the way the Reds, Crushers, Rams and Chargers went

 

[taipan]

Can you prove it wasn't? No one has shown any proof that it wasnt

The HPU account was opened in 2012.Dank was squirted off in 2011,and the account closed this year. Look at the dates and go figure.The integrity unit will check the account and Noyce stated the club is more than happy for them to do so

 

[magpie4ever]

You do know it was the sharks who alerted the nrl to the breach don't you?
It was months and months ago.

Don't you follow the news?

I do and I did heard about it; but, at the time Cronulla said it was an oversight. The point PR is making (I think) is that it was a deliberate action to cheat the salary cap. Big difference, Yes/No.

 

[taipan]

That's exactly why I think they'll force a relocation rather than getting the chop the way the Reds, Crushers, Rams and Chargers went

So the ARLC will force a relocation on the club(bearing in mind the prior disasters with the Dogs and the Storm),completely ignoring 10,000 members most lost to the code,the 3,000 juniors perhaps many giving the game away,the 200 sponsors that remain with the club,the $300m development that will eventually make the club among the strongest in the future,ignore the crowd drawing local derbies with St George,ignore the huge participation of soccer in the Shire and leave the door open to another codes.
Ignore the restructuring put in place by Cullen,ignore Noyce building the place up.
yep that is forward thinking.Its called doing a Nth Sydney leave an area and invite your opposition in for a party.:crazy:

 

[magpie4ever]

The HPU account was opened in 2012.Dank was squirted off in 2011,and the account closed this year. Look at the dates and go figure.The integrity unit will check the account and Noyce stated the club is more than happy for them to do so

Just maybe, if there was one non-club "club" account there might have been others. FFS, how did Dank get paid?

 

[Perth Red]

You do know it was the sharks who alerted the nrl to the breach don't you?
It was months and months ago.

Don't you follow the news?

Like I said, and Paul Kent on nrl360, the new info seems to have co e from emails the abc has got on the nature of the Rort and that it wasn't an oversight of failing to lodge paperwork but a deliberate effort of cheating the cap by illegal payments.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Well the NRL sent in Auditors to check it out. It was from their report that the fine was levied.

If there was any evidence that it was deliberate they would have picked that up one would imagine.

The source of the money, the circumstances and the records were all provided to the NRL.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Like I said, and Paul Kent on nrl360, the new info seems to have co e from emails the abc has got on the nature of the Rort and that it wasn't an oversight of failing to lodge paperwork but a deliberate effort of cheating the cap by illegal payments.

Haha I suspect Paul Kent is Kmavs brother