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Crowd Watch 2014 part 2

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guyver78

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Just like in your glory days of 1999-2002?

1999 - 23K+ (Which included 100K + to a double header).
2000 - 14,320
2001 - 16,671
2002 - 14,088

What about 2005 when you killed it (Only to choke again)??
16264

2009?
13127

Yes Yes Yes... Parramatta are massive:lol:

Statistics like that don't really mean anything. You can't compare an average from a team that was going well 10 or 15 years ago to a team that's doing well today.

Regardless of what averages say or the fact that crowds have been slightly down this year it's a fact that there are more people going to games in 2013/2014 then there were in 2001/2002.

Parra do have a huge supporter base that can match it with the Dogs & Souths.
 

oldmancraigy

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Just like in your glory days of 1999-2002?

1999 - 23K+ (Which included 100K + to a double header).
2000 - 14,320
2001 - 16,671
2002 - 14,088

What about 2005 when you killed it (Only to choke again)??
16264

2009?
13127

Yes Yes Yes... Parramatta are massive:lol:

How are the Eels supposed to get a big crowd when their home ground has a capacity of 19,654???
 

ouwet

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How are the Eels supposed to get a big crowd when their home ground has a capacity of 19,654???


PLEASE... It's capacity was close to 30,000 back then!

19,964 is the capacity at Parramatta... They play there big games at ANZ (Capacity 82,500)!! Already making excuses!!
 

oldmancraigy

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Look give the Eels the constant finals footy you and the dogs have had over the last 5 years and you will see who the champs are......;-);-)

But this week the wooden spooners are going to outdraw the Dogs and souths finals footy teams, that alone shows you the potential of the Eels and the tigers.

The Eels don't even need to be playing finals footy to outdraw LOL@Souffs or the Bulldogs at ANZ.
Let's just look at what has actually happened:

Eels average HOME crowd @ ANZ = 29,633

Souffs average home crowd @ ANZ = 16,211

Bulldogs average home crowd @ ANZ = 19,394

Tigers average home crowd @ ANZ = 23,923

So as we can see, there is a very clear hierarchy here:
Eels
Tigers
Bulldogs
Souffs.


I apologize to all Souths fans who have a brain. This post is solely intended to humiliate the moron, Bunniesman. Unfortunately he can't read numbers bigger than 4, so he won't realize what has just been pointed out to him.

*edit* Quick edit to add the Dragons, who have played 8 home games at ANZ. 19,911 - putting them third in the 'hierarchy'.

Well done Bunniesman for pointing out that Souths are the least popular club in Sydney, when considering all clubs who use ANZ at least semi-regularly. *edit*
 
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oldmancraigy

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PLEASE... It's capacity was close to 30,000 back then!

19,964 is the capacity at Parramatta... They play there big games at ANZ (Capacity 82,500)!! Already making excuses!!

No excuses. None required.

19,654 is capacity for a rugby league game. If you want to mock the Eels about their ability to draw games at ANZ, by all means do so - but you better have your excuses ready as to why they are the most popular club in Sydney at the venue.
 

ouwet

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The Eels don't even need to be playing finals footy to outdraw LOL@Souffs or the Bulldogs at ANZ.
Let's just look at what has actually happened:

Eels average HOME crowd @ ANZ = 29,633

Souffs average home crowd @ ANZ = 16,211

Bulldogs average home crowd @ ANZ = 19,394

Tigers average home crowd @ ANZ = 23,923

So as we can see, there is a very clear hierarchy here:
Eels
Tigers
Bulldogs
Souffs.


I apologize to all Souths fans who have a brain. This post is solely intended to humiliate the moron, Bunniesman. Unfortunately he can't read numbers bigger than 4, so he won't realize what has just been pointed out to him.

*edit* Quick edit to add the Dragons, who have played 8 home games at ANZ. 19,911 - putting them third in the 'hierarchy'.

Well done Bunniesman for pointing out that Souths are the least popular club in Sydney, when considering all clubs who use ANZ at least semi-regularly. *edit*


So you comparing 8 games of RL to hundreds (Bulldogs & South play most of the home games at the stadium)? Brilliant logic!

St George can't even pack out Kogarah and Eels cannot get capacity at Parra.
 

oldmancraigy

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So you comparing 8 games of RL to hundreds (Bulldogs & South play most of the home games at the stadium)? Brilliant logic!

St George can't even pack out Kogarah and Eels cannot get capacity at Parra.

Ok fine, discard the 8 games of the Dragons.

Eels have been playing multiple games at ANZ for years.
Please inform me of the season that Souths or the Dogs sold out their old home grounds on a weekly basis?

Unfortunately you can make up stories all you like, but the facts are against you.
 

ouwet

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Ok fine, discard the 8 games of the Dragons.

Eels have been playing multiple games at ANZ for years.
Please inform me of the season that Souths or the Dogs sold out their old home grounds on a weekly basis?

Unfortunately you can make up stories all you like, but the facts are against you.

When Parramatta average around the 20,000 on a consistent bases... Comeback to me, until then... NEXT
 

DC_fan

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Blog with Buzz: As NRL crowds slump by 15 per cent, is it time to ditch fixed scheduling?

NRL CROWDS have slumped by an alarming 15 per cent this year with 135,000 fewer fans after six rounds.

Television ratings are steady but Channel 9 boss David Gyngell wants to scrap the fixed scheduling.

Daily Telegraph Sports Editor-at-Large Phil Rothfield sat down with NRL boss Dave Smith on Wednesday to discuss the big issues.

REFEREEING
The St George Illawarra full-time siren blunder was not a one-off. The results of three games in the last two rounds have been affected by refereeing blunders.

In round five, Storm were dudded against the Titans when Luke Douglas lost the football and the referees incorrectly called it a strip.

Greg Bird kicked the penalty goal and it’s game over. But why no use of the video ref for such a contentious call?

The same thing happened in New Zealand last week; Josh Reynolds loses the ball cold. The refs again rule stripped. It clearly wasn’t.

The Dogs kicked a penalty goal to level the scores and then a field goal to win.

Smith says: I think referees will be the subject of discussions forever. There were probably three games affected last year and the year before that.

The error in Melbourne was 0.6 of a second. That’s a line-ball call. They are human beings and they are going to get it right and they are going to get it wrong.

By and large they are doing a good job but when they get one wrong, it’s very public. What I will say is that the referee’s decision is final.

AD CAMPAIGN
Season-launch TV commercials were aimed at members — the fans that are already rusted on to the clubs and the game. Membership numbers have stayed steady with small increases.

There was no advertisement showing the extraordinary skills of heroes Greg Inglis, Billy Slater, Johnathan Thurston, Daly Cherry-Evans or Sonny Bill Williams that would have appealed to the more casual fans.


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How the first 20 rounds of the NRL are shown on TV. Source: News Limited




The treatment of members at some clubs is a disgrace.

A Wests Tigers supporter paid for two season tickets at Leichhardt Oval and ANZ Stadium. His tickets didn’t arrive in time for the first game at ANZ Stadium against St George Illawarra.

He didn’t go.

He turns up at Leichhardt Oval for the game against Manly. One seat is in Row H and the other in Row L. They can’t sit together.

The member is one of the most respected public relations operators in this city. There are probably other similar stories we don’t hear of.

At the Cronulla Sharks, officials bumped up membership prices by up to 50 per cent. This is despite the cloud and the uncertainty over the ASADA scandal.

And they wonder why membership numbers haven’t increased.

In fairness, AFL crowds are down by 10 per cent too. However, soccer’s A-League is up by 3 per cent on top of a 27 per cent increase last season.

Smith says: Our campaign did include many of the players you are talking about.

We filmed them talking to the members.

Our campaigns have all been around families and the players’ connection with the fans. It was deliberate to appeal to a wide range of our audience.
It’s the families’ engagement with their heroes that will grow the game.
Membership is the highest it’s ever been in the game’s history. We have 228,820 to be exact. All the clubs are working hard.

This isn’t a short-term play. I want to get to 400,000 by 2017. As for the Wests Tigers member, we’ll ask them about that and get the specifics. Members should get great customer service.

THE COST
Ticket prices, food and drinks and transport are issues fans are always raising.

This columnist recently travelled to Newcastle with three children to watch the Sharks against the Knights.

Throw in tickets, meals and petrol and it was a $200-plus day. Most families can’t afford that much for their weekend entertainment.

Not when they can watch from the comfort of home on Channel 9 or Fox Sports. At least the NRL is now offering cheaper tickets, but only at the bigger venues where seats would otherwise be empty.

Smith says: This weekend we have a family pass for six for $30. Plus the kids get an Easter egg and an ice cream. And it’s going to be a cracker of a game.

Every club in Sydney now has a $50 ticket for the family. You can get it online or when you turn up.

We’re also negotiating with the food and beverage operators to come up with things like a hot dog and a bottle of water cheaper.

The premium stuff will always be more expensive but we’re very conscious it costs families a lot to do anything these days.

The Easter Show is $111 for a family ticket. That’s three times more than going to our game on Monday for six people. I’m absolutely committed that we have a price point that families can afford.

TV RATINGS
Channel 9 boss David Gyngell wants to scrap the fixed schedule that was introduced two years ago to lift free-to-air-ratings. The Parramatta Eels are the best example to support his views. They won two wooden spoons in a row and have been given only four Friday night games.

Now everyone wants to watch them because they are the most exciting side in the competition.

“We’re interested in going back to a schedule that acknowledges teams that are performing,” he says.

“Parramatta, the Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra and Canterbury are all performing very well but you couldn’t have predicted that last October when the draw is being done, especially with the equalisation the salary cap has created. If they want great ratings, having the best games on free-to-air in a fickle Sydney market is important.

“We’re definitely of the view that the old scheduling system of doing the draw six weeks in advance provides more ratings momentum.

“You always get traction out of Parramatta, St George, Canterbury and the Wests Tigers when they’re winning.”

Smith says: I understand what David is saying. The fixed schedule discussion was before my time. I believe there was a vigorous debate about it.

We’ve tried to take the fixed system and work with the broadcasters but it’s based on historical performances.

This year there have been some surprise results and the historic performances haven’t come through.

We should give it some more thought. For me it’s about learning and working with our broadcasters to say how can we all get the right outcomes so the ratings are strong and we’re playing at the right time at the right grounds.

I can also see the argument for a fixed schedule where fans get their certainty. I also see the constraints with that.
WEATHER
The lousy weather is definitely an issue, according to Channel 10’s Tim Bailey.

“It has rained in Sydney for 30 of the last 46 days and a lot of that has been on the weekends,” he said. “It’s officially our wettest start to an autumn in 24 years. The footy codes and the racing have definitely been hit pretty hard.”

Penrith, despite their on-field success, are averaging only 10,000 for home games but it has rained at the venue for almost every match.

Smith says: It’s early days and we haven’t had a lot of luck with the weather.

Again our long-term objective is to get to a 16,500 average crowd by the end of the season. Last year was 15,900. By 2017 I want an average of 20,000.

We’re talking to the clubs every week and looking at the draw very closely. In the next six rounds we’ll have five family fun days designed to get families to the games.

MULTIPLE VENUES
Fans don’t seem to know when or where their team is playing each weekend.

At Campbelltown last weekend, only 6000 turned up for the Wests Tigers against the Cowboys.

“Everyone’s confused,” says David Gyngell. “The Wests Tigers are at Campbelltown, ANZ, Leichhardt Oval.

“St George are at Homebush, Wollongong and Kogarah. How would you know if you are a punter where your team is playing?

“Families going to the football like consistency.”

Smith says: We want to consolidate the blockbusters at two stadiums, ANZ and Allianz. Over time we want the biggest crowds at the best stadiums.

The idea at those venues is to create a really premium experience. But these are tribal clubs and they’ve got to get the balance right with their spiritual homes.

THE STADIUM POLICY
Both Allianz and ANZ have been under fire this year because of poor crowds.

This Easter weekend there are two blockbusters at ANZ Stadium that will attract a combined total of 80,000.

The problem is that games like Canterbury v Cronulla on a Monday night should not be played there.

The fans want more football at their traditional suburban home grounds.

Smith says: I’m working very hard with the government to make sure we have an experience like Melbourne and other major cities that have had more funding of the infrastructure of their stadiums. We want world-class stadiums. That’s the big picture. It’s all about balance.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...fixed-scheduling/story-fnj45km6-1226887018844
 

oldmancraigy

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We average 29k at ANZ.

I'm not sure what your point is?

If you want to look at the history of the Dogs, and their crowds at Belmore, well, the Eels at Parramatta average a much better crowd.
In fact, the Eels HAVE broken the 20k mark for a season (twice) - for the first time back in 1986 (before Fitzgerald destroyed Parramatta stadium). The Dogs managed 10855 that year...

If you want to argue that the Dogs board had greater foresight in moving to a bigger ground, then go right ahead - I agree with you. I love watching footy at Parra stadium, but it's sadly the smallest ground used in the NRL, and capacity has been reduced over the years rather than increased. Not intelligent.
However, when the Eels DO play at a big venue, they have little trouble drawing a decent crowd.

Are you suggesting the Eels definitely wouldn't draw 20k/ season if they played at ANZ? The evidence seems to indicate otherwise. Don't get me wrong, it's great the Dogs have done it 4 times - but really, the point is to embarrass Bunniesman here, stop putting yourself on his level.

but because you have, allow me to point out the average crowd for this season:
Dogs 14037
Eels 14719

One number is bigger than the other. And we haven't even played at our big home ground yet.
 
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MrAnonymous

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The weather has been f**ked for most Sydney games this year, Of course Crowds will be down.

Most merkins don't want to sit in rain. People cant get that through their heads.
 

Flapper

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And they wonder why membership numbers haven't increased

On the exact same page that this double page spread is on is the membership ladder, which has a bullet point stating:

After six rounds of the NRL Telstra Premiership, the 16 clubs have signed up 230,117 members, which is more than the total 2013 membership numbers.

Completely inept kumquat of a human being Buzz is.
 

oldmancraigy

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How does fixed scheduling negatively affect crowd numbers?

Does he explain it in the article??? If he did, I missed it...
 

Springs

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Say they get a turn out of 55,000 & beat all the other 3 big matches. What does that then tell you about suburban grounds going into the future?

Parramatta might very well be calling ANZ home within the next 3-5 years in that happens. They are after all the closest to the ground out of the Rabbitohs, Bulldogs & Tigers.

I don't know why we're all arguing about this, I hope the Monday game beats all the other 3 games. 2 bottom teams fighting it out in front of 55,000, would be great for the game.

It tells you that 10,000 against the Cowboys will look 4x shitter at ANZ than at Parramatta.

Honestly Parra already play their big games at ANZ. There's no need to move there permanently.

We play some combination of Tigers, Souths, Bulldogs and Dragons there every year. Take Souths/Dogs/Tigers biggest home games and they'd get about the same crowd average as us for those 3 or 4 games.
 

ouwet

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Wasn't this moron the one complaining when it wasn't fixed scheduling?

AFL have fixed, NRL should... No one can plan weekends blah blah blah
 

Danish

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Crowds are down because sydney clubs aren't travelling well plus have had shithouse weather.

I'd expect the dogs to start pulling in some big numbers over the coming month with their ladder position, as will parra if they can string a couple wins together. Souths surely will see a crowd increase after a couple wins on the trot too.

You'd hope that the self-professed home of rugby league in QLD would be able to get their arses into gear and fill the stands for the top of the table Titans, but I doubt it
 

Valheru

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The game everyone wants to see this weekend is parra/wests and that really upsets Homebush fans (both clubs). I really hope the Monday game outdraws the Friday game, it will be glorious.
 

Chook

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On the exact same page that this double page spread is on is the membership ladder, which has a bullet point stating:



Completely inept kumquat of a human being Buzz is.

:lol::lol: spot on. Don't give up your day job Buzz...whatever that is.

Chook.
 

Valheru

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I’m not going to even bother reading what the moron said, the title says enough. Fixed scheduling has nothing to do with this, the first 6 rounds has always been known months prior to the season.
 
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