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Xcalibre

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Like everyone with half a brain feared....

Greenburg gets to be judge, jury and executioner.....with a little help from the girls touch footy team of course.

Just like Ben Barba, but I don’t remember anyone caring then.
 

bileduct

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Well there may have been more to the instance I mentioned, but I remember this big, burly dude standing upright and 3-5 cops on him trying to get him cuffed...

Ok, so there was more to it, occurring before the video footage they showed, which I hadn’t recalled. Here’s an article about it...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...land-police-officers-struggle-arrest-him.html

Anyway, this caused outrage from people saying it was abuse of force, but they had an ex-cop on the news where I saw it, whom said it was justified. I’m ambivalent on that question, but just brought it up to illustrate how a taser (and striking and pepper spray in this case) can be justified, despite not a great deal of threat.
The video is a bit more helpful.


The ex-cop justifying it all comes across as a bit of a 'tard, to be honest, and he seems to just be protecting his own. I'm not sure you can really justify the behaviour of that one cop striking the guy in the face with a radio multiple times and then stomping his face into the ground. I'm sure we haven't heard the last about it irrespective of what that other guy thinks.
 

BadnMean

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Todd's not pre-empting the case at all. Complete furphy. Todd's job is to see if the game will be harmed by XYZ actions and outcomes. Todd's determination on image or brand damage is no relation to a criminal matter. That's for the courts to decide.

The ARU didn't cut Izzy adrift because his actions were criminal- they cut Izzy adrift because he'd breached his contract and was damaging the game. Just as Scott may or may not have done.

Do we see the difference between damage to the game & criminal yet?
Pearce, Carney, Monoghan- not one of them convicted of a criminal offence- but by gee they were stood down correctly for damaging the game... Get it?

Todd's job is to look after the NRL. The brand of the NRL. He'd quite like to know- thank you very much- before he decides to stand the player down if the player would kindly share the video his own defence team has trumpeted as a key plank in his acquittal because if becomes public after the sentencing. Like hmmm, let me see here.... like it did at the Wighton trial and is shown round the clock for the next week or so of Scott punching a lady copper in the face while she tries to assist him out of a puddle of his own vomit or something...

Maybe... just maybe... Todd should be hedging against that outcome - doing his due diligence to the game- by asking to see this video that Eid (Scott's lawyer) is yelling about. What a great way for Curtis to help Todd get the game behind him!

Let's just pay special attention to the wording of the "no fault stand down rule" and think about which words preclude it from prejudicing a case... hmmm, "no fault?"and note that its wording does NOT limit it to ONLY cases with long prison sentences but allows Greenberg discretion in when and why to apply it if read carefully...?

*players charged with a criminal offence carrying a penalty of at least 11 years will be automatically stood down from playing in the NRL competition;
*the suspension will not require any finding of fault by the player and there is no right of appeal;
players are still able to train with their team and are entitled to be paid their full remuneration under their contracts;
*and the NRL’s CEO can use his discretion to stand down players charged with less serious criminal offences, particularly where the offence involves women and children.

Nothing in that wording that LIMITS Greenberg to ONLY discretion involving women and children here at all. Specific wording and punctuation makes it clear he HAS discretion to use it for less serious offences.

"Particularly" but NOT "specifically" or "only".

So if Scott wants the NRL to stick its neck out for him- maybe he just, y 'know SHOWS them the video which shows his side of events. If he wants to keep it all secret, then maybe, just maybe , his boss looking after the whole games image might just stand him down- on full pay mind you- while the matter is cleared up. You know, AFTER Curtis refuses to show his boss the footage. Which he might do, I hope.
 

hineyrulz

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Like everyone with half a brain feared....

Greenburg gets to be judge, jury and executioner.....with a little help from the girls touch footy team of course.
Serious eyeball incoming for poor Curtis Scott.
 

mave

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Just like Ben Barba, but I don’t remember anyone caring then.

Albeit a different executioner, but no-one gave a shit about Brett Stewart either.
Things have become a lot more partisan since then, imo.
 

Tiger5150

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The ARU didn't cut Izzy adrift because his actions were criminal- they cut Izzy adrift because he'd breached his contract and was damaging the game.

Lets get real. The ARU cut Izzy adrift because Alan Joyce got his panties twisted.
 

wibble

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Not if he’d done stuff prior to the arrest/attempted arrest like in the case I mentioned. If someone is known to be wielding a gun for instance or known/suspected of committing a serious offence, and the cops try to make an arrest and the perp runs away they may rightfully shoot them.

Depends on the jurisdiction of course and according to one source, the law was changed 15 years ago, but it may be the same in other jurisdictions.

Look up “fleeing felony law”.

Prison officers are trained to shoot all fleeing prisoners, and to aim for the chest/back.

And police treat a person wielding a knife (even a small one) at 10 metres as a deadly threat.

And I have some sympathy for those positions.

Cops still do abuse their powers though (I get most of my gossip about this second hand, but from cops and ex-cops, and again, the ones I know are outstanding people who would never bully someone).
 

Chief_Chujo

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Scotts lawyer is saying it's the police who won't release the footage.

"Curtis Scott has provided the NRL all of the information he is able to provide at law," Eid said. "The police force are seeking legal advice, however, in the interim they have confirmed that they have no intention of releasing any of the footage to any persons outside their mandatory brief of evidence serve orders made by the court."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/cu...ing-over-footage-request-20200208-p53yzb.html

Given the circumstances, I don't think Scott should be stood down.
 

nick87

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/cu...ing-over-footage-request-20200208-p53yzb.html

interesting new development.
Greenberg demanding Scott and his lawyers release the tapes to him despite having no NSW Police clearance to do so.

Greenberg is right to reserve his decision until he's seen the footage, but the deadline seems odd given. Its his responsbility to gain consent through the correct channels to see the footage.
Someone in his position, should have the gravitas to get the police to grant consent to have it released/shown to him. If he lacks that level of gravitas, perhaps he's not fit for the office he holds.

Todd might need to give himself a serious eyeballing over this one.
 

myrrh ken

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/cu...ing-over-footage-request-20200208-p53yzb.html

interesting new development.
Greenberg demanding Scott and his lawyers release the tapes to him despite having no NSW Police clearance to do so.

Greenberg is right to reserve his decision until he's seen the footage, but the deadline seems odd given. Its his responsbility to gain consent through the correct channels to see the footage.
Someone in his position, should have the gravitas to get the police to grant consent to have it released/shown to him. If he lacks that level of gravitas, perhaps he's not fit for the office he holds.

Todd might need to give himself a serious eyeballing over this one.
The police are only obliged to give evidence to the defence. What the defence wish to do with it is up to them.
 
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nick87

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The police are only obliged to give evidence to the defence. What the defence wish to do with it is up to them.

As i understand it, and maybe im wrong, and if i am, i will happily retract my comments and cop it... but as i know it, the defence get given all the evidence the prosecution intend to use, but providing that to a third party, any thrid party is not legal unless consented to by both parties or sactioned by a judge.

A defence lawyer cant just make any and all evidence public knowledge as they see fit, it would be a risk to taint the jury pool.
Again, i could well be wrong.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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I wanna know if there is any truth to the cops stonewalling the NRL on the footage before I jump to any conclusions, but I would've thought if your story is legit, getting as many people as possible seeing the footage would be in your best interests.
 

TheFrog

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I wanna know if there is any truth to the cops stonewalling the NRL on the footage before I jump to any conclusions, but I would've thought if your story is legit, getting as many people as possible seeing the footage would be in your best interests.
The cops aren't going to hand over footage. Why would they? Doing so could be prejudicial to the case. Scott's legal reps would have it, one thinks, but whether they are allowed to share it with a third party and whether such a thing is advisable, you'd have to ask a legal eagle.
 

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