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News Curtis Scott

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Sigh, because the NRL Integrity unit had the evidence in Fifita's case and it could not be established from that evidence that an assault occurred. Do you get the difference?

his own lawyer saying he slapped him wasn’t enough evidence for them, or him apologising to the victim, or him paying $30k in compensation to the victim? All clear actions of an innocent man lol.
 
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Craigshark

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Now think.
How easy is it for a cop to kill you if a moron like you can come up with an explanation

what the actual f**k are you on about you dribbler? How is that not a reasonable f**ken justification? f**k me don’t bother replying, I can’t be bothered reading your dumb merkin response
 

THE CHAMP

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what the actual f**k are you on about you dribbler? How is that not a reasonable f**ken justification? f**k me don’t bother replying, I can’t be bothered reading your dumb merkin response

Firstly WOW
Second I told you to think which was silly of me because it’s clearly something you have difficulty with.
Thirdly and finally the point I’m making is that it’s very easy for police to come up with a fictional explanation to excuse their behaviour.
If you can’t grasp this then please cease responding because you are clearly too docile.
 

Craigshark

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Firstly WOW
Second I told you to think which was silly of me because it’s clearly something you have difficulty with.
Thirdly and finally the point I’m making is that it’s very easy for police to come up with a fictional explanation to excuse their behaviour.
If you can’t grasp this then please cease responding because you are clearly too docile.

how is it an excuse in the situation I mentioned? It’s a f**ken reason/explanation/justification idiot
 

bileduct

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It's still got me f**ked why Todd thinks he should be able to demand the evidence before it's gone to trial and why if the charges dont amount to the level of NFSD policy he cant just put out a statement saying the charges dont rise to required level for that policy and the NRL reserve their right to punishment once the legal process has played itself out and the NRL can be assured of it's facts.
Dude, you seem a bit confused about the no fault stand down policy.

Under Rule 22A - the NRL’s CEO can use his discretion to stand down players charged with less serious criminal offences, particularly where the offence involves women and children.

Now correct me if I am wrong about this, but he's being accused of assaulting a female police officer, yeah?

One of the reasons the RLPA's legal action against the ARLC and NRL failed is because the Federal Court understood that the reputation of an employer like the NRL is intrinsically tied to the reputations of their employees, and as such they are justified in taking action beyond what you would expect in a normal workplace. It sounds like Greenberg would like some level of assurance beyond Scott's word that the NRL won't have a female cop basher running around for half the season only then to plead guilty at the last minute like Fightin' Wighton did.

If Eid is serious about challenging this, he shouldnt give the NRL the footage, if they see it and they decide to stand him down, that puts the presumption of guilt on his client immediately.
That's not how the court system works mate. Scott always has the presumption of innocence, and the burden is on the prosecution to prove their case.

Greenberg has thrown Scott a lifeline he in all likelihood wasn't going to get given the charge sheet, and based on Mr Eid's creative defence of police misconduct. The only reason Eid wouldn't show them the tape is if he truly had no confidence in his argument.
 

nick87

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Dude, you seem a bit confused about the no fault stand down policy.

Under Rule 22A - the NRL’s CEO can use his discretion to stand down players charged with less serious criminal offences, particularly where the offence involves women and children.

Now correct me if I am wrong about this, but he's being accused of assaulting a female police officer, yeah?

One of the reasons the RLPA's legal action against the ARLC and NRL failed is because the Federal Court understood that the reputation of an employer like the NRL is intrinsically tied to the reputations of their employees, and as such they are justified in taking action beyond what you would expect in a normal workplace. It sounds like Greenberg would like some level of assurance beyond Scott's word that the NRL won't have a female cop basher running around for half the season only then to plead guilty at the last minute like Fightin' Wighton did.


That's not how the court system works mate. Scott always has the presumption of innocence, and the burden is on the prosecution to prove their case.

Greenberg has thrown Scott a lifeline he in all likelihood wasn't going to get given the charge sheet, and based on Mr Eid's creative defence of police misconduct. The only reason Eid wouldn't show them the tape is if he truly had no confidence in his argument.

No i understand the NFSD, and the clause that Todd gets to do whatever the f**k he likes depending on how he wakes up each morning.

It's all a bit moot now since the NRL will apparently get the chance to view the footage. For me the reputational side of this has been and gone largely until a result of the case comes. The news cycle had move away from the act and into the decision from the NRL. It will be completely ignored once that verdict comes until his court dates.

If the offence didnt rise to the required level for NFSD, i think holding fire would actually help the NRL avoid the Fightin' Wighton situations... call their bluff... prove your innocent and when you cant and you plead it out last minute, we're gonna hit you with a f**king hammer blow.

The courts give the presumption of innocence sure, but potential jurors probably arent if they see Greenberg hand down a massive suspension, or conversely if after they see this footage and Todd comes out and says "it's not risen to the level requiring the NFSD policy being inacted" then that's telling too.

Eid's arguement was that he wasnt legally allowed to show them the tape, not that he didnt want to. I dont know if that's true in terms of legal protocol of releasing evidence, or if it's was just posturing.

Look ultimately i suspect Scott in going to end up pleading this out, he's going to get suspended for at least 10 weeks and he's going to fined heavily... and that's if it's just bad, and it could be significantly worse than bad! Im not in defence of Scott here, but im not super wild about this policy and how it's been enforced across the varying different cases. Lots of inconsistency, and the point of the policies like this is to at least limit that inconsistency.
 

lynx000

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his own lawyer saying he slapped him wasn’t enough evidence for them, or him apologising to the victim, or him paying $30k in compensation to the victim? All clear actions of an innocent man lol.
*sigh* again. What do you do for a living Red and how much have you had to do with the Courts and in particular criminal law solicitors?
 

nick87

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Yeah, ill be stunned if this results in anything less than 10-12 weeks suspension.
Im pleased they are giving the NRL a look because i'd rather the club be able to move forward with their plans for the season.

What ever i think of the policy and it's implimentation, the overwhelming likelihood here is that Scott is in some trouble here and he'll get what he deserves
 

Tiger5150

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Scratching my head why this thread has instigated such anger. On the face of it a merkin got up to some merkinery, cops get involved, it will all come out in the wash?

I could understand if Raiders fans were pissed, but it seems to be fans of other clubs?
 

Chimp

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If the offence didnt rise to the required level for NFSD, i think holding fire would actually help the NRL avoid the Fightin' Wighton situations... call their bluff... prove your innocent and when you cant and you plead it out last minute, we're gonna hit you with a f**king hammer blow.

The courts give the presumption of innocence sure, but potential jurors probably arent if they see Greenberg hand down a massive suspension, or conversely if after they see this footage and Todd comes out and says "it's not risen to the level requiring the NFSD policy being inacted" then that's telling too.

This is a great point, and one for which I just can’t understand how a Court allowed the NFSD Policy to stand. If Greenberg views the footage and makes a call based on what he sees, prior to any Court action, that in my opinion does potentially prejudice a fair trial in Court.

I get the NRL Policy isn’t acting based on facts of law, and is looking at different things, but surely viewing the footage and acting isn’t then going to be a ‘no fault’ stand down - you’ll only be standing him down if you believe he is at fault. Todd viewing the footage is only useful if he’s intent on making a judgement on fault.
If Todd is considering a NFSD, he should only be taking into account the allegations against Scott from the Police, not reviewing evidence.
 

Mr Spock!

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Scratching my head why this thread has instigated such anger. On the face of it a merkin got up to some merkinery, cops get involved, it will all come out in the wash?

I could understand if Raiders fans were pissed, but it seems to be fans of other clubs?
Curtis Scott is the new Rodney King.
 

THE CHAMP

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I have stated that it’s more than likely Curtis is guilty however it is foolish to believe everything that comes out of the police service. History proves this.
 
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