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Darren Lockyer has the defensive technique of a English RU full back!!

robbie123

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Darren lockyer cant be blamed for his defense...he had solid covering defense back in the day when he played in full back... and you cant expect someone to make every tackle when the opposition is aimin all there forward attacks at you...id blame the forwards who should be standing next to him making all tackles for him...in club football wayne bennet has tony carrol sitting on lockyers hip the whole night making sure lockyer doesn't misss a tackle and ricky stuart should be smart enough to do this in the test..
 

robbie123

Juniors
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no one said he let any tries in you fckhead.
im sayin in general he only misses tackles cos all the oppositions send their attack his way...
 

fourplay

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lockyno1 said:
Hold on, Lockyer didn't let in any of the tries you twit!

Yes he did. He missed Sean Long as Lockyer let him get on his outside and run straight past him which set up there first try.
 

salivor

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fourplay said:
Yes he did. He missed Sean Long as Lockyer let him get on his outside and run straight past him which set up there first try.

No Lyon was the one that rushed too far up to create the giant hole that Long ran through.
 

JW

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fourplay said:
Yes he did. He missed Sean Long as Lockyer let him get on his outside and run straight past him which set up there first try.

Er, Jamie Lyon...
 

fourplay

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No.. if the players all move up together then it cuts off the backlines movement and forces them to head back in. Lyon was maybe 1-2 steps max ahead of Lockyer, thats how they had been defending all night to stop them spreading the ball wide... its Lockyers job to stop Long from getting on the outside of him. If Lyon stayed back, Long still got on the outside of Lockyer to create a 3 on 2 over lap which they may or may not have covered. But it was still Lockyers defensive error for letting Long get on his outside.
 
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The only Englisg Ru fullback I've ever seen was J. Robinson and he weren't playing union at the time.

PS: Lockyer may have failed to stop Long running across field but there wouldn't have been a problem if Lyon hadn't come out of the line.
 

fourplay

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Lyon was marking Yeaman... The gap was there because Yeaman was standing wide so Lyon had to stay out with him... But yeah Lyon should have anticipated Lockyer would let Long get on his outside.:roll: :lol:
 
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Lyon should have stayed in the line and once Long beat Lockyer Lyon should have come in and belted him. It's called playing the man with the ball. It doesn't matter when Yeaman was. It's not all about man to man defence.
 

CharlieF

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East Coast Tiger said:
Lyon should have stayed in the line and once Long beat Lockyer Lyon should have come in and belted him. It's called playing the man with the ball. It doesn't matter when Yeaman was. It's not all about man to man defence.

You admit that Long beat Lockyer, but somehow its Lyon's fault.
 

Kurt Angle

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fourplay said:
Lyon was marking Yeaman... The gap was there because Yeaman was standing wide so Lyon had to stay out with him... But yeah Lyon should have anticipated Lockyer would let Long get on his outside.:roll: :lol:

Erhh Lyon didn't stay in the line, that what causes the channel to open.

Rule 1 in team defence is stay in a line, you learn it at about u-9's.
 
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CharlieF said:
You admit that Long beat Lockyer, but somehow its Lyon's fault.
They were both to blame. Long did well to get around Lockyer but you work as a team in defence and Lyon didn't do that. GB's team defence was outstanding.
 

timma

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Lockyer is an awesome player
But he can't tackle, he is like the rugby union boys
 

Mr Saab

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The people blaming the Long try on Lockyer should hand in their League supporters license as they have NFI about the true aspects of the game.
 

Stewie Griffin

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fourplay said:
Yes he did. He missed Sean Long as Lockyer let him get on his outside and run straight past him which set up there first try.

look. Lockyer is not the best tackler in the world. If i had to pick a player to tackle I wouldn't pick lockyer. Ever. But having said that, he has improved his defensive aspect of the game so much that it is not really he's weakness as much as it used to be. Of course having carroll next to you week in and week out makes the job a hell of a lot easier, but that's the truth.

And with the Long try? Open up your eyes and read the defensive line of the Aussies at the time. Lockyer missed the man? Lyon made him miss the man. Lyon made Long run at Lockyer when he shouldn't have. End of story.
 

fourplay

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East Coast Tiger said:
once Long beat Lockyer Lyon should have come in and belted him. It's called playing the man with the ball. It doesn't matter when Yeaman was. It's not all about man to man defence.

If Lyon comes in then its a 2 on 1 overlap still. Lockyers error.

Some of you are braindead and have never played rugby league... Lyon made Lockyer miss long ?? WTF !!?

LYON HAD TO STAY OUT WIDE MARKING YEAMEN... IF LYON WAS STANDING TOO FAR IN NEXT TO LOCKYER THEN A SIMPLE PASS AND YEAMEN IS IN SPACE WITH TOO MUCH ROOM TO MOVE.

It was Lockyers defensive error some of you are either thick as **** or trying to defend your boyfriend.

Can't believe you're trying to hang this on Lyon.
 

Kurt Angle

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Erhh, Lyon didn't stay in the line, that's the point, you shouldn't be throwing aorund that other people haven't played RL when you misunderstand this basic concept.

Lyon running out of the line opened up a channel to Lockyers right hand side. This channel doesn't exist if Lyon stays in the defensive line. Long can then approach the line and take the tackle or pass off hoping a channel is created.

Lyon didn't just mark Yeaman, he ran up prematurely as he was sold that Yeaman was about to get the ball.

If you do not understand this, you do not understand the responsibilities of a defender in a Rugby League defensive formation.
 
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