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Defense issue for Millers( & others)

Special K

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here is some kicking stats

Kimmorley

Total Kicks : 94
Open : 65
Caught : 29
Accuracy : 69.1%

the highest rated kicker by 2% over Matty Head

What does that add to this topic? f**k all! :lol: :lol:
 

Foz

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I was interested in the kicking stats Hulk.
Our kicking game has (IMO) been pretty ordinary without Kimmorley.
Dont get me wrong I am a bit of a Sullivan Fan (where have I heard that before?) but he makes some good options and he makes some very poor ones.
A bit like a punter rolling the dice.
His touch footy play to the short side and over the touchline gets on my nerves.
 

Surely

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Thats crap Reefy and you know it, Kimmorely kills Sullivan in the try assist dept, why because he will look to put someone over the line, where as Sullivan will try to put himself over the line.

Your stats are pointless, does it say where the offloads occurred, where the missed tackle occurred, did it lead to a try ... should a hooker tackle more than a half ....

Eyesight is more reliable than statistics .. I suggest you open them
 

shadowboxer

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stats will tell a story but so does performance. Last two games no kimmolery no organisation , plenty of effort but no points. Ultimately, both are fine players but i know who we depend upon.
 

blacktip-reefy

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So how does this work?
BK, against brisbane, organises well & the team really fires. After Sully comes on.
The keys are Peachey, Noddy, Stevo & Sully

Against Canberra we had all keys missing i.e. Sully at half.
Poor showing

Last week we had 2 keys. better, but far from perfect.

How will the team go with three keys? Sully peachey Stevo
or
better question
Noddy peachey Stevo?

At this point we haven't been able to compare apples with apples.
The only constant is this, without all keys, we are quite ordinary.
 

Surely

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Stats only tell half the story

35% of vehicle accidents involve drunk drivers, therefore 65% are sober .. what does this tell us, it's safer to drive when you are pissed !
 
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That was you ShireShark?

Well it might have been
But I cant remember after drinking 2 beers, 2 bourbons and 200 lolly waters

Last thing I can remember is waking up Monday morning in my car still in gear, smashed into my garage door...kids bike stuck in the grill of my car! :lol:
 

millersnose

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blacktip-reefy said:
If passing a ball is too much for Noddy,then he really needs to do some more time on the track. I would imagine that 1 DHR would use more energy than 3 sets of Noddys plays.
Stand & pass, kick, not get tackled.
maybe he is mentally tired?
& I would expect a plyer in the middle having played 4 matches more would have completed more tackles.
As is the case with all other clubs.
And in terms of Energy expenditure in attack, how is it that Sully has taken it to the line 155 times compared to Noddys 70.




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i find it amazing for a man of your football knowledge compares hit ups between a hooker - who should run from dummy half lots and a halfback - who should pass and set up plays

you seemed to have ignored my point reefy

i would think it reasonable to expect a guy who averages 50 minutes a game - comes on fresh after the intitial onslaught - and plays in the forwards

i would expaect such a player to have a much better average than a 80 minute half back

your stats show prriddis - a real hooker - doing twice the defensive work of sullivan

That is a weight/size issue. I have no problem with it. & Kimmorley suffers from this problem even more, which is why he probably just stays away from defense.

you seem keen to bag kimmorleys defence

fair enough

kimmorley goes high to try and prevent offloads

this is not a technique sullivan has mastered yet

he is still struggling to combat the spin and twist forwards employ when targeting him






there is no stat to prove this but watch when players target sullivan in defence they do so as off loading is easy against him
You don't need a stat. It is an obvious fact of rugby league.
Sully & Noddy will always suffer from this because of size.
It's just that statiscally, Sully is handling it better than Noddy.

stats tell no such thing

there is no stat indicating effectiveness in preventing offloads

perhaps you are mistaken
 

blacktip-reefy

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I dont understand your point.
Are you saying that we should leave Kimmorley off the field for the first 20 minutes in the hope that he does more tackling, more offloads & more running? Playing 60 minutes is more than 80 minutes?

What is it that you expect of Sullivan, as you are probably his biggest critic? What is he not doing?

I'm just looking for consistency in opinion.

Also, now you declared him not a real forward, how do you rate Kimmorley?
FTR, I rate Kimmorleys defense as extremely poor.
As I do Sullivans & Preston Campbells.
 

millersnose

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blacktip-reefy said:
I dont understand your point.
Are you saying that we should leave Kimmorley off the field for the first 20 minutes in the hope that he does more tackling, more offloads & more running? Playing 60 minutes is more than 80 minutes?


i suspect you are being deliberately evasive

if a player plays less game time than another one would expect less fatigue to affect their performance

your argument is like saying forman would have won against ali if Ali had 3 rounds against tyson first

[quote[What is it that you expect of Sullivan, as you are probably his biggest critic? What is he not doing?[/quote]

takling like a first grade hooker

Also, now you declared him not a real forward, how do you rate Kimmorley?

the best halfback in the NRL

FTR, I rate Kimmorleys defense as extremely poor.
As I do Sullivans & Preston Campbells.


you talk lots about roles reefy

you tell me what is the roll of a hooker in defence

what is the role of a halfback in defence
 

blacktip-reefy

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The role of any postion in defense is to make tackles & not miss them.
On both of thes issues, Kimmorley is one of the worst in the NRL.
Way worsethan Sully.
 

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