Discussion with Pete Nolan

[Casper The Ghost]

Lol, Coming from you Casper, that's one of my all time favourites on this forum.

Suity

Helps if you fill in the rest of the post.............

Where you are coming from is nowhere near the reality of most Eels fans on this forum. The issues we have are: our club ran 3rd last last year, is currently running last this year with just ONE WIN. We all need to see our club win some games and this is not being delivered by SK & co. SK is having great difficulty running the bench. SK is having great difficulty in identifying and tapping into the unique skills of each squad member and bringing out these qualities in a team game where our players can play together within attacking and defensive formations that can operate for 80 minutes. Achieving this will bring our club at least a few victories and off the bottom of the table. This is what it is all about f**kwit. We are supposed to be having some progress, instead we are experiencing regress. And you come along with all your crap in hope of distracting the majority of Eels fans on this forum. Unfortunately for you, they see right through all your propaganda.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

So you condone those passionate Eels fans who hope we lose so Kearney is one step closer to getting the sack?

Suity

Sort term pain for long term gain.

Isn't that what the pro-Kearney brigade are preaching?

EDIT: Not that I am personally condoning that point of view, just saying that's it's hypocritical of anyone who supports Kearney to criticise those who hold this view. Especially since, at least theoretically, we could be rid of our potential problem in two weeks as opposed to two years.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don't know if most people think that .... here is an alternative ...

1. The board didn't think the coach was that good

This is what I reckon. The board had a pretty good view of his operation, so they were a lot better placed than the rest of us to judge whether or not he was any good.

So it was their right to sack him. They knew they would be judged on results, so they'v got the right to get rid of a coach they don't think can achieve that.

2. They sounded out a coach they thought would be shit hot cos he was involved at melbourne.

The good ones all learned from other good ones. Why would Kearney and Arthur be any different? Kearney also had Nolan onside, and everyone knows how good he is.

3. They took the opportunity to sack the coach they didn't like so much when the chance came

And they've been vindicated by the fact he hasn't come back to bite us on the arse.

4. Now, despite the results being worse, they won't sack him because they don't want to have to pay out another coach AND don't want to look like they jumped in and wrongly hired a rookie

If they're as gutless and stupid as you whingers make out, they would be more concerned with keeping the fans onside than pretending they didn't make a mistake.

If you're going to come up with a conspiracy theory, at least make one that's internally consistent.

 

[Kornstar]

They won't do that because then it would mean dealing with irrational fools like yourself who won't be happy with any answer. Like its been said more than a couple of times on here if you want answers to your questions get off your ass and either send them a detailed email or approach them in a professional manner and you'll get some answers.

Irrational? Exactly how am I irrational? I have said plenty of times, I just want honesty! I don't like bullshit. Have you read some of the direct quotes from officials? I am pretty sure as recently as 3 weeks ago our very own CEO said "we will not get the spoon". Why lie? We will get the spoon, so what? Every club gets it eventually, but why say it when you have no control over the results?

Comment on the matters you can control, like what Kearney has put into place, explain a little more why you put a rookie in control and what sold you and why it seems to not be working.

Exactly. Can you imagine trying to get fanlink off the ground again?

"And the highest rated questions this week are:

90% Why is Kearney so shit?!?!?

8% When are we going to drop the structure, everyone knows it doesn't work?!?!?!?

2% Will Nathan Hindmarsh give his word that he will give 100% for the rest of the year?"

The most embarrassing thing to happen to the club is what a club legend had to endure at the AGM, he should never have had to answer such a disgusting question!

Korny,

You say (I think) that the people who relay us back the information that they've been told shouldn't be considered idiots by anyone who frequents this forum on a regular basis. The blue bit.

Do you think those individuals are that gullible as to accept the spin that you claim they are fed by said officials? The bit in red.
I know for a fact they are not. The blokes you named are not dills and would not accept the spin you say is so prevelent.
Maybe, next time you're at a game, go and have a chat with one of them and see if you still think the same as what you have just written. And don't expect the spin. I never have.

Suity

I have no qualms with the stuff they have told yourself, or the other guys about what they are doing for the club to move it forward, in fact, I really like the snippets I have heard. It all sounds very exciting and is much needed! I take task at the little digs they all seem to say about the mess they were left with or when the coach mentions about how much of failures the last 10 years have been.

In November 2010, I get it, the mess was fresh but as recent as Friday (1 June 2012) it seems the mess is still prominent in their speech. This doesn't work in the professional world, nor should it here!

I have no interest in talking to them personally, I have seen them behaving when walking to game and didn't like what I seen! I may email them though, would be interesting to see the response and if I get a call.

yes and I took that suggestion on and am more than happy to carry the flag, so I'm not sure what your point is because there's always going to be the Kornstars out there who are going to shoot it down..

Shoot what down? I'm glad emjaycee got a response to his email, and a personal one at that. I just don't get the dig at the mess they were left with, they need to move on from this, so they can move forward, maybe it's holding them back?

There will be mate but I think Korny is one of the least repulsive tbh.

Suity

Thanks, I think

tbh, I dig Korny's response because it does show that he's genuinely hurting and passionate about the club the thing that gets me is the continual smug, condensending and smart arsey responses from others...must be the water in Maroubra.

I am completely happy with everything I hear about the future and the plans with the club, it all sounds great, the only sticking point is that I believe the coach is not up to it! Everyone else around him may be good but he just seems out of his depth. He was never convincing me as NZ coach before he came to us, way too many poor performances when he was solely in charge........so far he has not changed my mind........

In the end though, it's not up to me so tomorrow night I will be nervous before the game, emotional wreck throughout and then either on cloud nine after OR shattered after........the joys of living the Eels

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And how do you think we know that?

Ok, so I know it. It doesn't really matter who else knows it because I'm excited about the future.

 

[bartman]

So you condone those passionate Eels fans who hope we lose so Kearney is one step closer to getting the sack?

Suity

Mate, I don't get upset in the slightest about it.

I don't condone it as such, but I don't get my knickers in a knot about it at all either. It's real *shrug* material, as far as I'm concerned. Each to their own, and I don't buy into pissing competitions about what makes someone a better fan than someone else.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Irrational? Exactly how am I irrational? I have said plenty of times, I just want honesty!

In the world we live in that kind of thinking is irrational. Everyone wants honesty but only a fool expects it.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Look at Anthony griffiths is he a better coach then Kearney ? They both became head coaches at the same time . Well I don't know if he is better . But what I do know is what playing roster a new coach would have preferred to inherit for his first head coaching gig !!

 

[bartman]

Mate I completely understand the story you keep trying to spin:

I don't think you do. I think you're addicted to building strawmen and thinking that makes you ultra-clever.

Here's my story kept simple (so that you can get it right):
1. Kearney has shown he is not up to the job of NRL head coach.
2. The Board should now move to get rid of him from that role.
3. The Board will only do so when it politically suits them - which seems to be between now and the December FC elections.
4. To ensure enough time for us to not be a basket case again next season, the Board should take that decision now (if they haven't already), prepare to have a caretaker ready and then start a recruitment process, so that a new head coach can be appointed to start from September (and have an input into recruitment/retention earlier, if they are available to do so).

No need for mentions of Fitzy, Anderson, or other red herrings to deflect from the logic.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I wrote an email and just got a call from Pete too. He told me a whole heap of stuff but told me to keep it in the safe. I can say that there will be some stuff happening some time soon.

 

[Kornstar]

In the world we live in that kind of thinking is irrational. Everyone wants honesty but only a fool expects it.

Well if they keep losing they will lose members (not me) but maybe if they gave out more truthful information, they may retain more than they think?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Jesus, guys. What would we do back in the day before the interweb? If this 'forum' took place in a town hall or a pub there wouldn't be much furniture left in one piece (yeh, I know....Maroubra would be standing over at side sipping a Campari and soda or something and having a good laugh).

 

[Someone]

i rang SK and asked him about everything and we talked for 50 minutes.

basically he told me
-5 years
-shit cap
-crap roster
-hes working on things

i cant tell you about the other 47 minutes, sorry.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don't think you do. I think you're addicted to building strawmen and thinking that makes you ultra-clever.

Here's my story kept simple (so that you can get it right):
1. Kearney has shown he is not up to the job of NRL head coach.
2. The Board should now move to get rid of him from that role.
3. The Board will only do so when it politically suits them - which seems to be between now and the December FC elections.
4. To ensure enough time for us to not be a basket case again next season, the Board should take that decision now (if they haven't already), prepare to have a caretaker ready and then start a recruitment process, so that a new head coach can be appointed to start from September (and have an input into recruitment/retention earlier, if they are available to do so).

No need for mentions of Fitzy, Anderson, or other red herrings to deflect from the logic.

This is where your argument breaks down. Kearney hasn't shown anything yet other than he still has the confidence of his employers and coaching staff.

 

[IFR33K]

Look at Anthony griffiths is he a better coach then Kearney ? They both became head coaches at the same time . Well I don't know if he is better . But what I do know is what playing roster a new coach would have preferred to inherit for his first head coaching gig !!

Although the broncs roster is better, at the eels SK has made some signings and resignings.

A few signings he did make are very questionable. He has struggled to get the best out of his team, with basically the entire squad going backwards this year.

For that the buck stops with the coach.

 

[IFR33K]

Kearney hasn't shown anything yet

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You can say that again

 

[Eels Dude]

This is where your argument breaks down. Kearney hasn't shown anything yet other than he still has the confidence of his employers and coaching staff.

How many losses does it take to make you think SK is not up to getting the best out his first grade side?

 

[bartman]

This is where your argument breaks down. Kearney hasn't shown anything yet

I'll agree with you of to there!

other than he still has the confidence of his employers and coaching staff.

Which you'll find was addressed by my point 3.

You may have a different opinion that also has sound logic. You're entitled to disagree with my opinion, in fact go for it! But I think you'll find the logic behind my opinion is sound (even if you hold a different opinion re Kearney).

 

[Eels Dude]

Although the broncs roster is better, at the eels SK has made some signings and resignings.

A few signings he did make are very questionable. He has struggled to get the best out of his team, with basically the entire squad going backwards this year.

For that the buck stops with the coach.

Griffin also improved the Broncos in his first year from a disappointing previous season. He'd also coached lower grades and was assistant coach at their club so he knew the systems in place when he was promoted to the head coaching role. Kearney basically came from Melbourne with no knowledge of the club apart from a chat or two with Osborne and that's why he looks out of his depth as a rookie coach.

 

[Suitman]

But I think you'll find the logic behind my opinion is sound

Of course it is Bart. It always is. :sarcasm: You wouldn't see it as anything else. Of course, other people may think your logic sucks, and it's ok for other people to have an alternative opinion, isn't it? After all, this is just a public forum where opinions are allowed to be shared, right? And I'm one of those other people.

Suity