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Scamander is amazing. Launceston not soSpent almost 2 of the last 3 years there for work in Launceston and Scamander
The irrational hate by 2 posters directed at Syd clubs & PVL clouds any rational thinking or discussion .I don't understand arguing about club grants in this thread? All those QLD teams - Broncos, Cowboys, Titans, Dolphins and Storm (nobody mention to those dickheads that the Storm aren't a QLD side) are also receiving the grant. If it is a point of argument and those clubs were travelling so well they would decline or return that money. Until they do that, they are holding out their hand just like every other club.
And just on getting rid of Sydney teams. People/fans left the game in droves when the Bears were dumped and some are still whinging about it and whinging constantly about their reinstatement.
The game is finally getting back to a good place and some people want to undo all that good work, again? It's dumb.
In fact it dominates and destroys enjoyable debate. I’m happy to disagree with people but the agenda of these two is purely spiteful and negative.The irrational hate by 2 posters directed at Syd clubs & PVL clouds any rational thinking or discussion .
It is still the governing document that provides their funding and is negotiated with the clubs. It remains an entitlement to clubs existing in the competition.
And? Thats the way the league body is set up. The clubs should get funding - they ARE the league.
The League doesnt have the power to force a club to relocate as long as they remain a viable entity.
In the AFL, they dont have this power either - and the consent of the clubs is required for any license addition, subtraction or move.
That is their right to negotiate.
The fact that you dont have any respect for the history and tradition of the game is appalling. You arent a rugby league fan, your a queensland rugby league fan...maybe.
So? They arent actually in the NRL are they. They can always form their own comp.
And has the potential to regain those people.
Enough will for it to make a difference. And the NSW gov didnt say it wont build any more, its saying it wont build them right now.
Yes, addint a new team to f**king Brisbane - a pre existing rugby league stronghold - will DEFINITELY grow the game.
Not without club approval. Literally one of the few powers the clubs retained in the AFL Constitution.
They make enough revenue elsewhere to get along just fine. And despite your belief otherwise, the grant should be considered a football revenue.
It isnt propping up if its giving the same grant to every club in the league.
Sure, if you ignore Leagues clubs and associated entities. Which is rather dishonest.
PotatoMy objection to the licencing agreement is the money spent propping up nine small Sydney clubs is akin to pissing up a wall because it provides no long-term return. It is be better to invest the money in the amateur side of the game across Australia, New Zealand and PNG because it will lead to more people playing it and translate to more fans watching it.
The game cannot survive unless it is strong at all the professional and amateur level.
Amateur rugby league competitions at the junior and senior level are taking a hit to prop up unviable clubs from Sydney. Clubs are dying and competitions are merging to stay afloat.
It's the same problem that has torn the Australian Rugby union and soccer communities apart, yet you're advocating for us to go down he same path for "tradition and history", which only matters in your eyes when it's a traditional NSWRL club.
In the long run decline of the game in the amateur ranks will kill the professional level. The talent from the amateur side of the game won't be there to fill the NRL squads with adequately skilled players. When the standard of competition declines the game will lose interest from casual fans and lead to less revenue from broadcast rights. The clubs will then strip more money from the lower tiers of the game and we'll be in the same position as rugby union and soccer.
Without the amateur side of the game there are no players. Take away the players and you've got no game.
Which is why the clubs keep on demanding more funding from the ARLC when their licencing agreements are up for renewal. When this is pointed out you say it's their entitlement to argue for more money without giving a f**k about the long-term consequences it has on all levels of the game underneath the NRL. It's a really myopic stance you're taking and one that will set the game up for terminal decline. If you care about the game then you'll realise it begins at the amateur level.
Back in the 90s Fitzroy were forced to merge with Brisbane. I've read that there were talks between Fitzroy and another Melbournian club that were advanced, but the AFL refused to allow it because they thought the new club would be too powerful. I remember seeing Sam Newman speak about it on the Brisbane Footy Show in 1996.
And it's detrimental to the game's survival at a) the amateur level and b) growth in new markets.
Article 4.3 also confirms that no club has an “entitlement” to relocate simply because it perceives an opportunity for enhanced club revenues in another location. Indeed, League traditions disfavor relocations if a club has been well-supported and financially successful and is expected to remain so. Relocation pursuant to Article 4.3 may be available, however, if a club's viability in its home territory is threatened by circumstances that cannot be remedied by diligent efforts of the club working, as appropriate, in conjunction with the League Office, or if compelling League interests warrant a franchise relocation.
Source: https://www.lrl.mn.gov/webcontent/lrl/guides/FootballStadium/NFLFranchiseRelocationRules.pdf
Time for a Qld breakaway league - Broncos, Cowboys, Storm, Dolphins, Warriors & Titans. Add Ipswich, Perth and Adelaide & LoganMy objection to the licencing agreement is the money spent propping up nine small Sydney clubs is akin to pissing up a wall because it provides no long-term return. It is be better to invest the money in the amateur side of the game across Australia, New Zealand and PNG because it will lead to more people playing it and translate to more fans watching it.
The game cannot survive unless it is strong at all the professional and amateur level.
Amateur rugby league competitions at the junior and senior level are taking a hit to prop up unviable clubs from Sydney. Clubs are dying and competitions are merging to stay afloat.
It's the same problem that has torn the Australian Rugby union and soccer communities apart, yet you're advocating for us to go down he same path for "tradition and history", which only matters in your eyes when it's a traditional NSWRL club.
In the long run decline of the game in the amateur ranks will kill the professional level. The talent from the amateur side of the game won't be there to fill the NRL squads with adequately skilled players. When the standard of competition declines the game will lose interest from casual fans and lead to less revenue from broadcast rights. The clubs will then strip more money from the lower tiers of the game and we'll be in the same position as rugby union and soccer.
Without the amateur side of the game there are no players. Take away the players and you've got no game.
Which is why the clubs keep on demanding more funding from the ARLC when their licencing agreements are up for renewal. When this is pointed out you say it's their entitlement to argue for more money without giving a f**k about the long-term consequences it has on all levels of the game underneath the NRL. It's a really myopic stance you're taking and one that will set the game up for terminal decline. If you care about the game then you'll realise it begins at the amateur level.
Back in the 90s Fitzroy were forced to merge with Brisbane. I've read that there were talks between Fitzroy and another Melbournian club that were advanced, but the AFL refused to allow it because they thought the new club would be too powerful. I remember seeing Sam Newman speak about it on the Brisbane Footy Show in 1996.
And it's detrimental to the game's survival at a) the amateur level and b) growth in new markets.
WTF?
I've read some ignorant shit on this board from biased NSWRL fans, but this takes the cake.
Since when is the NSWRL "the game"?
Try learning about the history ot the game before talking about it. "The game" began in a northern English city called Huddersfield in 1895 when a group of disgruntled rugby union clubs formed their own competition over pay disputes. It was originally called the Northern Union and played under the same rules as rugby union, but was later renamed the Rugby Football League and became a different sport some time before 1908 when the All Blacks drew large crowds across Britain with their emphasis on ball movement. The RFL capitalised on it by removing flankers and line outs. The ruck and maul system was replaced with the play the ball.
The game didn't make its way to Sydney until 1908. It was introduced by New Zealanders who played against Great Britain for the All Golds the previous year. The QRL was formed at the same time and fielded their competition in 1909.
So their "history and tradition" doesn't count?
Only the "history and tradition" of NSWRL clubs matter?
This sort of myopic and selfish mentality is why our game has failed to expand outside of its traditional markets.
When the non-NSWRL clubs tried to form their own competition in 1996 the ARL took them to court.
The QRL has a seat on the ARLC. There's no way the clubs from the Queensland Cup could rebel without cutting all ties with the QRL.
But it hasn't and appears to be stagnant at best and in some cases in decline. The game also has the potential to carve out a strong niche in new markets, but won't until it stops basing all of its decisions around the self-interest of Sydney NRL clubs.
The rebuild of Parramatta Stadium hasn't turned the Eels into a financial juggernaut like the Broncos and Cowboys. The Eels' revenue from football operations is still behind the Broncos and Cowboys.
It'll lead to more profit-making derbies in Brisbane that draw big crowds and strong television ratings. It'll also bring in money from the corporate sector. The Dolphins are already making more money from sponsorship than any Sydney club. There are plenty of corporates who are turned away by the Broncos that would sponsor a third team.
Did Fitzroy agree to no longer exist?
If that were true then they wouldn't keep on demanding more funding from the ARLC, would they?
Take away revenue from gaming and the annual grant and there's no way these clubs could cover the expenses relates to fielding a team in the NRL. You know this but deliberately deflect attention away from it whenever it's brought up. The annual grant isn't revenue from football operations because it's tied to the competition as a whole. Football operations include ticketing, membership, merchandise, sponsorship and corporate hospitality because fans and companies are paying to watch the football team. The annual grant is propped up by the broadcasters, who would pay significantly less if it was just Sydney teams in the league.
It is when clubs like the Broncos, Cowboys, Titans and Storm are the reason Ch9 pay what they do to have a reach in Brisbane. Take them away and you lose the Brisbane market. Melbourne would go back to drawing just 5k viewers per game without the Storm. Grand final viewership in Brisbane and Melbourne would dry up. The cost of a 30 second commercial would drop significantly.
WTF?
People go to the Leagues Clubs to play the pokies. Most of the people who play the pokies couldn't give a f**k about the football club.
Coz the game is going gangbusters in huddersfield right now.... cant even get membership, they are sold out... geezI've read some ignorant shit on this board from biased NSWRL fans, but this takes the cake.
Since when is the NSWRL "the game"?
Try learning about the history ot the game before talking about it. "The game" began in a northern English city called Huddersfield in 1895 when a group of disgruntled rugby union clubs formed their own competition over pay disputes.
And... thats on them, not nswrl or nrls fault the QRL (aka BRL) were gutless or never tried to advance their competition further than nswrl did.... nswrl worked as the premier comp because they branded it better and had Televised games to promote it...they had money power and influence to do this, and its paid off, what did BRL do..? Team in logan yaySo their "history and tradition" doesn't count?
Only the "history and tradition" of NSWRL clubs matter?
This sort of myopic and selfish mentality is why our game has failed to expand outside of its traditional markets.
When the non-NSWRL clubs tried to form their own competition in 1996 the ARL took them to court.
The QRL has a seat on the ARLC. There's no way the clubs from the Queensland Cup could rebel without cutting all ties with the QRL.
Take away revenue from gaming and the annual grant and there's no way these clubs could cover the expenses relates to fielding a team in the NRL. You know this but deliberately deflect attention away from it whenever it's brought up. The annual grant isn't revenue from football operations because it's tied to the competition as a whole. Football operations include ticketing, membership, merchandise, sponsorship and corporate hospitality because fans and companies are paying to watch the football team.
How so? This competition is based in Sydney, the NRL started with Roosters, Bunnies, Tigers Bears etc.. its never been a competition that started in 1908 and had the Qrl sides, not until this coming year (dolphins)The annual grant is propped up by the broadcasters, who would pay significantly less if it was just Sydney teams in the league.
Logan has pokies too,WTF?
People go to the Leagues Clubs to play the pokies. Most of the people who play the pokies couldn't give a f**k about the football club.
You know I think we should ban every Qld team who has pokies at thei LCLogan has pokies too
When you use the word amateur, what are you referring to?My objection to the licencing agreement is the money spent propping up nine small Sydney clubs is akin to pissing up a wall because it provides no long-term return. It is be better to invest the money in the amateur side of the game across Australia, New Zealand and PNG because it will lead to more people playing it and translate to more fans watching it.
The game cannot survive unless it is strong at all the professional and amateur level.
Amateur rugby league competitions at the junior and senior level are taking a hit to prop up unviable clubs from Sydney. Clubs are dying and competitions are merging to stay afloat.
It's the same problem that has torn the Australian Rugby union and soccer communities apart, yet you're advocating for us to go down he same path for "tradition and history", which only matters in your eyes when it's a traditional NSWRL club.
In the long run decline of the game in the amateur ranks will kill the professional level. The talent from the amateur side of the game won't be there to fill the NRL squads with adequately skilled players. When the standard of competition declines the game will lose interest from casual fans and lead to less revenue from broadcast rights. The clubs will then strip more money from the lower tiers of the game and we'll be in the same position as rugby union and soccer.
Without the amateur side of the game there are no players. Take away the players and you've got no game.
Which is why the clubs keep on demanding more funding from the ARLC when their licencing agreements are up for renewal. When this is pointed out you say it's their entitlement to argue for more money without giving a f**k about the long-term consequences it has on all levels of the game underneath the NRL. It's a really myopic stance you're taking and one that will set the game up for terminal decline. If you care about the game then you'll realise it begins at the amateur level.
Back in the 90s Fitzroy were forced to merge with Brisbane. I've read that there were talks between Fitzroy and another Melbournian club that were advanced, but the AFL refused to allow it because they thought the new club would be too powerful. I remember seeing Sam Newman speak about it on the Brisbane Footy Show in 1996.
And it's detrimental to the game's survival at a) the amateur level and b) growth in new markets.
WTF?
I've read some ignorant shit on this board from biased NSWRL fans, but this takes the cake.
Since when is the NSWRL "the game"?
Try learning about the history ot the game before talking about it. "The game" began in a northern English city called Huddersfield in 1895 when a group of disgruntled rugby union clubs formed their own competition over pay disputes. It was originally called the Northern Union and played under the same rules as rugby union, but was later renamed the Rugby Football League and became a different sport some time before 1908 when the All Blacks drew large crowds across Britain with their emphasis on ball movement. The RFL capitalised on it by removing flankers and line outs. The ruck and maul system was replaced with the play the ball.
The game didn't make its way to Sydney until 1908. It was introduced by New Zealanders who played against Great Britain for the All Golds the previous year. The QRL was formed at the same time and fielded their competition in 1909.
So their "history and tradition" doesn't count?
Only the "history and tradition" of NSWRL clubs matter?
This sort of myopic and selfish mentality is why our game has failed to expand outside of its traditional markets.
When the non-NSWRL clubs tried to form their own competition in 1996 the ARL took them to court.
The QRL has a seat on the ARLC. There's no way the clubs from the Queensland Cup could rebel without cutting all ties with the QRL.
But it hasn't and appears to be stagnant at best and in some cases in decline. The game also has the potential to carve out a strong niche in new markets, but won't until it stops basing all of its decisions around the self-interest of Sydney NRL clubs.
The rebuild of Parramatta Stadium hasn't turned the Eels into a financial juggernaut like the Broncos and Cowboys. The Eels' revenue from football operations is still behind the Broncos and Cowboys.
It'll lead to more profit-making derbies in Brisbane that draw big crowds and strong television ratings. It'll also bring in money from the corporate sector. The Dolphins are already making more money from sponsorship than any Sydney club. There are plenty of corporates who are turned away by the Broncos that would sponsor a third team.
Did Fitzroy agree to no longer exist?
If that were true then they wouldn't keep on demanding more funding from the ARLC, would they?
Take away revenue from gaming and the annual grant and there's no way these clubs could cover the expenses relates to fielding a team in the NRL. You know this but deliberately deflect attention away from it whenever it's brought up. The annual grant isn't revenue from football operations because it's tied to the competition as a whole. Football operations include ticketing, membership, merchandise, sponsorship and corporate hospitality because fans and companies are paying to watch the football team. The annual grant is propped up by the broadcasters, who would pay significantly less if it was just Sydney teams in the league.
It is when clubs like the Broncos, Cowboys, Titans and Storm are the reason Ch9 pay what they do to have a reach in Brisbane. Take them away and you lose the Brisbane market. Melbourne would go back to drawing just 5k viewers per game without the Storm. Grand final viewership in Brisbane and Melbourne would dry up. The cost of a 30 second commercial would drop significantly.
WTF?
People go to the Leagues Clubs to play the pokies. Most of the people who play the pokies couldn't give a f**k about the football club.
The NBL and A-League are niche sporting leagues in this country, but their support in Adelaide and Perth dwarfs the NRL. I don't know about you, but I find it embarrassing that our game is a minority sport in Australia's fourth and fifth largest markets. The most infuriating thing is it doesn't have to be this way. Adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will allow our game to develop a niche following in these cities and help the competition draw more money from the corporate sector.Comparing the A-League, NBL let alone Australian Baseball with the NRL? ROFLMAO. 2 of those leagues have rather tight finances, with one having had to sell off its Grand Final hosting rights due to the poor TV contract they negotiated as they have little money in the bank, and also 2 of which provide virtually zero prize money for the competition's eventual winner.![]()
As to relocations, even in sports where the legal situation is much different such as the NFL, the rules very much support the teams where they currently are. As one documents summing up the NFL's rules regarding relocations states -
Even then, and after putting it to the league to consider, it needs a vote in favour of the relocation by 75% of the team owners and not the NFL Administration staff.
When you use the word amateur, what are you referring to?
Junior Rugby League? Or Senior competitions?
Time for a Qld breakaway league - Broncos, Cowboys, Storm, Dolphins, Warriors & Titans. Add Ipswich, Perth and Adelaide & Logan
No NSW clubs allowed as they run on LC money
You will be cheering
PotatoThe NBL and A-League are niche sporting leagues in this country, but their support in Adelaide and Perth dwarfs the NRL. I don't know about you, but I find it embarrassing that our game is a minority sport in Australia's fourth and fifth largest markets. The most infuriating thing is it doesn't have to be this way. Adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will allow our game to develop a niche following in these cities and help the competition draw more money from the corporate sector.
Imagine how much richer our game would be if we never got rid of the Rams and Reds?
There are amateur senior competitions in the Darling Downs that are losing players to rugby union because the latter reimburse them. More should be done to keep the game strong in the bush.
You should feel privileged and grateful for your regions to be invited to join the Sydney comp which has been the premier comp in the world for the last 50 years and in Australia for 115 years.I don't mind NSW clubs playing in the competition. I just don't see the point in having nine clubs in Sydney when the corporate sector and general public cannot support more than a few.
If you were starting the competition from scratch you wouldn't have nine teams in Sydney. No other national sports league in this country has nine teams in Sydney. NSW is the home of Australian cricket, but it only has two BBL teams.
What pisses me off is our game has chosen to use its resources to prop up nine small Sydney clubs over developing a national footprint. The self-interest of NSWRL fans has prevented the game from becoming a national sport and it's costing us money because we have no stake in Adelaide and Perth.
This should go wellYou should feel privileged and grateful for your regions to be invited to join the Sydney comp which has been the premier comp in the world for the last 50 years and in Australia for 115 years.
You will find those resources are being in maintaining and growing that premier status
There are too many examples of failed regional franchises in other sports
The NBL and A-League are niche sporting leagues in this country, but their support in Adelaide and Perth dwarfs the NRL. I don't know about you, but I find it embarrassing that our game is a minority sport in Australia's fourth and fifth largest markets. The most infuriating thing is it doesn't have to be this way. Adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will allow our game to develop a niche following in these cities and help the competition draw more money from the corporate sector.
Imagine how much richer our game would be if we never got rid of the Rams and Reds?
There are amateur senior competitions in the Darling Downs that are losing players to rugby union because the latter reimburse them. More should be done to keep the game strong in the bush.
I don't mind NSW clubs playing in the competition. I just don't see the point in having nine clubs in Sydney when the corporate sector and general public cannot support more than a few.
If you were starting the competition from scratch you wouldn't have nine teams in Sydney. No other national sports league in this country has nine teams in Sydney. NSW is the home of Australian cricket, but it only has two BBL teams.
What pisses me off is our game has chosen to use its resources to prop up nine small Sydney clubs over developing a national footprint. The self-interest of NSWRL fans has prevented the game from becoming a national sport and it's costing us money because we have no stake in Adelaide and Perth.
It gets a little bit further removed from reality every day .
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