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Divided rugby league fell 25 years ago – but united has it conquered? by Steve Mascord.

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I think we can surmise it by saying that RL in nsw, qlnd and act is largely built on pokies and without them many nrl clubs would not be viable because their markets are too thin or overcrowded.

if mugs ever wake up to psssing their mOney away then a big chunk nrl is in strife. Fortunately a number of clubs are relaising this and diversifying their asset portfolios, or working harder to build better fan and corporate support.
That's exactly right.

The history of the BRL and its clubs shine a gauge on what rugby league in Sydney would have been like without pokies. Take away the revenue NSWRL clubs collected from pokies and they would never have been rich enough to raid the BRL into extinction and survive this long in the NRL. They would have been richer than the BRL clubs by virtue of Sydney having a larger market but the gap wouldn't have been anywhere as wide, thus wouldn’t have been able to poach as many players and the BRL clubs wouldn't have gone bankrupt trying to keep their talent.

The one thing we do know is the Sydney clubs make f**k all from ticketing and membership, and much of that is due to their poor stadia. It's unlikely all nine Sydney clubs will get brand new stadia, so the gap will only grow wider. I predict the Roosters and Eels will improve their return from game day. The Rabbitohs will as well when they eventually relocate to the SFS.

The clubs without the a CoE will fall further behind.

I guess I owe an apology to the poor old Titans for doubting their validity. They've done well for a club that had to fund their own CoE while they were establishing themselves. They had to do this without pokies or government funding. The CoE almost brought about their demise and they had to offload it, but it's now the blueprint for all clubs to follow as governments are providing the funds needed to build these facilities. Michael Searle was a man ahead of his time, but failed in his execution.
 

Pneuma

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Yeth. I got one with my roast. I’m stuck at the lightning machine with a nappy stuck up my ass. I don’t think I’ve ever been happier!
 

Pneuma

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That's exactly right.

The history of the BRL and its clubs shine a gauge on what rugby league in Sydney would have been like without pokies. Take away the revenue NSWRL clubs collected from pokies and they would never have been rich enough to raid the BRL into extinction and survive this long in the NRL. They would have been richer than the BRL clubs by virtue of Sydney having a larger market but the gap wouldn't have been anywhere as wide, thus wouldn’t have been able to poach as many players and the BRL clubs wouldn't have gone bankrupt trying to keep their talent.

The one thing we do know is the Sydney clubs make f**k all from ticketing and membership, and much of that is due to their poor stadia. It's unlikely all nine Sydney clubs will get brand new stadia, so the gap will only grow wider. I predict the Roosters and Eels will improve their return from game day. The Rabbitohs will as well when they eventually relocate to the SFS.

The clubs without the a CoE will fall further behind.

I guess I owe an apology to the poor old Titans for doubting their validity. They've done well for a club that had to fund their own CoE while they were establishing themselves. They had to do this without pokies or government funding. The CoE almost brought about their demise and they had to offload it, but it's now the blueprint for all clubs to follow as governments are providing the funds needed to build these facilities. Michael Searle was a man ahead of his time, but failed in his execution.
I think you owe an apology to all of us for breathing, potato etc
 

The_Wookie

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The fact you didn't know, despite acting as if you know everything, speaks volumes.

If I acted like I knew everything I wouldnt need to ask you for shit.
I know some things.
Youi completely make up your own criteria to form bullshit conclusions to drive your agendas.



The article made a mockery of the comments you've made about pokies.

Not really, but you soldier on champ
 
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Looks like people inside the game who worked on the ARLC agree with my position on the annual grant!

'He capitulated': Richardson savages former ARLC chair Grant over NRL finances

By Andrew Webster
March 27, 2020 — 12.01am


Don't do it, John. The game cannot afford it.

This was the warning several members of the NRL executive told former ARL Commission chairman John Grant before a critical meeting with the 16 club bosses on December 3, 2015.

They pleaded with Grant to refuse a demand to increase the clubs' annual grant to 130 per cent of the salary cap.

Grant's decision temporarily won him support from the clubs, who did not move to sack him in 2015. The financial cost to the game, however, would be heavy. That cost has been exposed in the current crisis.

"Instead, he capitulated," recalled Shane Richardson, who was the NRL's head of game development at the time having been charged by then chief executive Dave Smith to streamline the entire code. "Greed set in."

Richardson ended his 17-year association with the Rabbitohs on Thursday when he resigned to ease the burden of financial cost of the COVID-19 crisis on the club. He will remain as a consultant but the decision expedites his departure at the end of the 2021 season.

"It's an incredibly selfless gesture," Souths co-owner Russell Crowe said.

In a lengthy interview with the Herald, though, the ever-polarising "Richo" preferred to riff about the perilous state of the game and that time, in 2015, when he worked for the NRL mothership.

"I was sitting there with [NRL chief financial officer] Tony Crawford, the whole executive — we would look at the figures every day and say, 'This isn't sustainable'," Richardson said. "Todd [Greenberg] was the head of football at the time and, while he's not a real figures man, he's smart and fully understood the situation.

"The game couldn't afford the 130 per cent. We said this to John Grant. But there was pressure on him from a cartel of clubs wanting more money; from player agents; from people inside the game; all wanting more money.

"We knew things had to change to make the game viable — but the clubs didn't want to hear it. When the $13m was put up there in front of them, they grabbed it. It shouldn't have been a decision just about the clubs. It should have been for the whole game."

Indeed, there's been plenty of finger pointing since the NRL competition shuddered to an indefinite halt because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Understandably, with no money coming in and hundreds of football people being stood down, questions are being asked about where the cash reserves are for a code that has secured billions in broadcast revenue in recent years.

Richardson's' pay packet was rumoured to be massive.

"People go on about my wage," Richardson said. "My wage wasn't over the top. We would've saved millions so my wage would've been inconsequential."

Over the next year, Richardson spoke to countless people across the game "from under-6s to the NRL". He travelled to the US to study minor league baseball, which was turning profits, and seeing how that could be adopted in the lower tiers of rugby league. He then came up with his recommendations.

"It was a comprehensive plan that broke down the game's finances from the bottom to the top, and talked about a whole-of-game approach about the changes that needed to be made to streamline the game, to make it more efficient, to make it worthwhile, to replace things that hadn't worked for a hundred years: things like boundaries on junior leagues, about the reliance on leagues clubs, all the way through to the NRL.

"There would be a restriction on what could be spent on the lower tier; cutting back ridiculous money on young players before their time, spending $40,000 in some cases. That money could be reinvested into the state leagues, the famous 'Platinum League', that would bring in teams from the country as well as Fiji and Samoa …

"We wanted to decentralise the NRL, which would simply concentrate on the elite competition. Their staff would be minimal now."

"We've all sat here as administrators and allowed football budgets to go ridiculously high. If we had the cap at $8m instead of $10m, we'd have $10m per club more in the game [over the five-year period of the broadcast deal]. We should've built up a cash reserve … Instead we went $49m into deficit. Who makes a business decision where you haven't got enough money for the next year?"

When Smith finished up at the NRL in late 2015, Richardson lost his biggest supporter. When Grant gave the clubs what they wanted, he knew he, too, had to go.

"I said to John, 'This is ridiculous because there's no point in me staying if I can't implement what I want to do'," Richardson said. "Todd and I were the obvious people to go for the CEO's role. But I said, 'Todd, you are the man for the job because you can handle the politics. I can't'."

Richardson returned to Souths in 2016 at the behest of Crowe, but in recent times has butted heads with chairman Nick Pappas, who tried to push him out the door late last year.

He's uncertain what his future holds – "I'm sure there's a feedbag out there for me somewhere!" — but he's convinced ARLC chairman Peter V'landys is the right man to navigate the game through troubled times.

"Plastic balls have to become titanium ones," Richardson said. "Hopefully, the strong leader in V'landys can drive us through. I can see it in his eyes. They are beady little eyes, focussing in. I wouldn't want them focussing on me. He's single-minded in what he wants to do.

"Nobody could've seen what was coming with the coronavirus, but what it's done is made the errors of the past blatantly clear. If we make the same decisions now, we will die. But there's no doubt V'landys knows what to do."

Grant did not return calls or texts offering him the chance to comment.


The irony is V'landys capitulated just like Grant 7 years earlier. Now the game is a mess. It's only a matter of time until it bankrupts itself trying to appease the greedy clubs.
 

Generalzod

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Looks like people inside the game who worked on the ARLC agree with my position on the annual grant!

'He capitulated': Richardson savages former ARLC chair Grant over NRL finances
March 27, 2020 — 12.01am
Don't do it, John. The game cannot afford it.​
This was the warning several members of the NRL executive told former ARL Commission chairman John Grant before a critical meeting with the 16 club bosses on December 3, 2015.​
They pleaded with Grant to refuse a demand to increase the clubs' annual grant to 130 per cent of the salary cap.​
Grant's decision temporarily won him support from the clubs, who did not move to sack him in 2015. The financial cost to the game, however, would be heavy. That cost has been exposed in the current crisis.​
"Instead, he capitulated," recalled Shane Richardson, who was the NRL's head of game development at the time having been charged by then chief executive Dave Smith to streamline the entire code. "Greed set in."​
Richardson ended his 17-year association with the Rabbitohs on Thursday when he resigned to ease the burden of financial cost of the COVID-19 crisis on the club. He will remain as a consultant but the decision expedites his departure at the end of the 2021 season.​
"It's an incredibly selfless gesture," Souths co-owner Russell Crowe said.​
In a lengthy interview with the Herald, though, the ever-polarising "Richo" preferred to riff about the perilous state of the game and that time, in 2015, when he worked for the NRL mothership.​
"I was sitting there with [NRL chief financial officer] Tony Crawford, the whole executive — we would look at the figures every day and say, 'This isn't sustainable'," Richardson said. "Todd [Greenberg] was the head of football at the time and, while he's not a real figures man, he's smart and fully understood the situation.​
"The game couldn't afford the 130 per cent. We said this to John Grant. But there was pressure on him from a cartel of clubs wanting more money; from player agents; from people inside the game; all wanting more money.​
"We knew things had to change to make the game viable — but the clubs didn't want to hear it. When the $13m was put up there in front of them, they grabbed it. It shouldn't have been a decision just about the clubs. It should have been for the whole game."​
Indeed, there's been plenty of finger pointing since the NRL competition shuddered to an indefinite halt because of the coronavirus pandemic.​
Understandably, with no money coming in and hundreds of football people being stood down, questions are being asked about where the cash reserves are for a code that has secured billions in broadcast revenue in recent years.​
Richardson's' pay packet was rumoured to be massive.​
"People go on about my wage," Richardson said. "My wage wasn't over the top. We would've saved millions so my wage would've been inconsequential."​
Over the next year, Richardson spoke to countless people across the game "from under-6s to the NRL". He travelled to the US to study minor league baseball, which was turning profits, and seeing how that could be adopted in the lower tiers of rugby league. He then came up with his recommendations.​
"It was a comprehensive plan that broke down the game's finances from the bottom to the top, and talked about a whole-of-game approach about the changes that needed to be made to streamline the game, to make it more efficient, to make it worthwhile, to replace things that hadn't worked for a hundred years: things like boundaries on junior leagues, about the reliance on leagues clubs, all the way through to the NRL.​
"There would be a restriction on what could be spent on the lower tier; cutting back ridiculous money on young players before their time, spending $40,000 in some cases. That money could be reinvested into the state leagues, the famous 'Platinum League', that would bring in teams from the country as well as Fiji and Samoa …​
"We wanted to decentralise the NRL, which would simply concentrate on the elite competition. Their staff would be minimal now."​
"We've all sat here as administrators and allowed football budgets to go ridiculously high. If we had the cap at $8m instead of $10m, we'd have $10m per club more in the game [over the five-year period of the broadcast deal]. We should've built up a cash reserve … Instead we went $49m into deficit. Who makes a business decision where you haven't got enough money for the next year?"​
When Smith finished up at the NRL in late 2015, Richardson lost his biggest supporter. When Grant gave the clubs what they wanted, he knew he, too, had to go.​
"I said to John, 'This is ridiculous because there's no point in me staying if I can't implement what I want to do'," Richardson said. "Todd and I were the obvious people to go for the CEO's role. But I said, 'Todd, you are the man for the job because you can handle the politics. I can't'."​
Richardson returned to Souths in 2016 at the behest of Crowe, but in recent times has butted heads with chairman Nick Pappas, who tried to push him out the door late last year.​
He's uncertain what his future holds – "I'm sure there's a feedbag out there for me somewhere!" — but he's convinced ARLC chairman Peter V'landys is the right man to navigate the game through troubled times.​
"Plastic balls have to become titanium ones," Richardson said. "Hopefully, the strong leader in V'landys can drive us through. I can see it in his eyes. They are beady little eyes, focussing in. I wouldn't want them focussing on me. He's single-minded in what he wants to do.​
"Nobody could've seen what was coming with the coronavirus, but what it's done is made the errors of the past blatantly clear. If we make the same decisions now, we will die. But there's no doubt V'landys knows what to do."​
Grant did not return calls or texts offering him the chance to comment.​

The irony is V'landys capitulated just like Grant 7 years earlier. Now the game is a mess. It's only a matter of time until it bankrupts itself trying to appease the greedy clubs.
Geez they agree with you, they should put you incharge…lol
 

Pneuma

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Looks like people inside the game who worked on the ARLC agree with my position on the annual grant!

'He capitulated': Richardson savages former ARLC chair Grant over NRL finances
March 27, 2020 — 12.01am
Don't do it, John. The game cannot afford it.​
This was the warning several members of the NRL executive told former ARL Commission chairman John Grant before a critical meeting with the 16 club bosses on December 3, 2015.​
They pleaded with Grant to refuse a demand to increase the clubs' annual grant to 130 per cent of the salary cap.​
Grant's decision temporarily won him support from the clubs, who did not move to sack him in 2015. The financial cost to the game, however, would be heavy. That cost has been exposed in the current crisis.​
"Instead, he capitulated," recalled Shane Richardson, who was the NRL's head of game development at the time having been charged by then chief executive Dave Smith to streamline the entire code. "Greed set in."​
Richardson ended his 17-year association with the Rabbitohs on Thursday when he resigned to ease the burden of financial cost of the COVID-19 crisis on the club. He will remain as a consultant but the decision expedites his departure at the end of the 2021 season.​
"It's an incredibly selfless gesture," Souths co-owner Russell Crowe said.​
In a lengthy interview with the Herald, though, the ever-polarising "Richo" preferred to riff about the perilous state of the game and that time, in 2015, when he worked for the NRL mothership.​
"I was sitting there with [NRL chief financial officer] Tony Crawford, the whole executive — we would look at the figures every day and say, 'This isn't sustainable'," Richardson said. "Todd [Greenberg] was the head of football at the time and, while he's not a real figures man, he's smart and fully understood the situation.​
"The game couldn't afford the 130 per cent. We said this to John Grant. But there was pressure on him from a cartel of clubs wanting more money; from player agents; from people inside the game; all wanting more money.​
"We knew things had to change to make the game viable — but the clubs didn't want to hear it. When the $13m was put up there in front of them, they grabbed it. It shouldn't have been a decision just about the clubs. It should have been for the whole game."​
Indeed, there's been plenty of finger pointing since the NRL competition shuddered to an indefinite halt because of the coronavirus pandemic.​
Understandably, with no money coming in and hundreds of football people being stood down, questions are being asked about where the cash reserves are for a code that has secured billions in broadcast revenue in recent years.​
Richardson's' pay packet was rumoured to be massive.​
"People go on about my wage," Richardson said. "My wage wasn't over the top. We would've saved millions so my wage would've been inconsequential."​
Over the next year, Richardson spoke to countless people across the game "from under-6s to the NRL". He travelled to the US to study minor league baseball, which was turning profits, and seeing how that could be adopted in the lower tiers of rugby league. He then came up with his recommendations.​
"It was a comprehensive plan that broke down the game's finances from the bottom to the top, and talked about a whole-of-game approach about the changes that needed to be made to streamline the game, to make it more efficient, to make it worthwhile, to replace things that hadn't worked for a hundred years: things like boundaries on junior leagues, about the reliance on leagues clubs, all the way through to the NRL.​
"There would be a restriction on what could be spent on the lower tier; cutting back ridiculous money on young players before their time, spending $40,000 in some cases. That money could be reinvested into the state leagues, the famous 'Platinum League', that would bring in teams from the country as well as Fiji and Samoa …​
"We wanted to decentralise the NRL, which would simply concentrate on the elite competition. Their staff would be minimal now."​
"We've all sat here as administrators and allowed football budgets to go ridiculously high. If we had the cap at $8m instead of $10m, we'd have $10m per club more in the game [over the five-year period of the broadcast deal]. We should've built up a cash reserve … Instead we went $49m into deficit. Who makes a business decision where you haven't got enough money for the next year?"​
When Smith finished up at the NRL in late 2015, Richardson lost his biggest supporter. When Grant gave the clubs what they wanted, he knew he, too, had to go.​
"I said to John, 'This is ridiculous because there's no point in me staying if I can't implement what I want to do'," Richardson said. "Todd and I were the obvious people to go for the CEO's role. But I said, 'Todd, you are the man for the job because you can handle the politics. I can't'."​
Richardson returned to Souths in 2016 at the behest of Crowe, but in recent times has butted heads with chairman Nick Pappas, who tried to push him out the door late last year.​
He's uncertain what his future holds – "I'm sure there's a feedbag out there for me somewhere!" — but he's convinced ARLC chairman Peter V'landys is the right man to navigate the game through troubled times.​
"Plastic balls have to become titanium ones," Richardson said. "Hopefully, the strong leader in V'landys can drive us through. I can see it in his eyes. They are beady little eyes, focussing in. I wouldn't want them focussing on me. He's single-minded in what he wants to do.​
"Nobody could've seen what was coming with the coronavirus, but what it's done is made the errors of the past blatantly clear. If we make the same decisions now, we will die. But there's no doubt V'landys knows what to do."​
Grant did not return calls or texts offering him the chance to comment.​

The irony is V'landys capitulated just like Grant 7 years earlier. Now the game is a mess. It's only a matter of time until it bankrupts itself trying to appease the greedy clubs.
Potato
 

siv

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A few years ago the eels were reliant on $5mill plus ayear from the pokies just to stay viable. Be interesting to see what financial impact the stadium has had for them and if this reliance has been reduced?
Why

Stadium will have increased patronage into the carpark and LC. I expect the opposite

NRL today is limiting how much a LC can fund the operation by paying players, coaches and football staff

So while it means clubs dont need LC money

It also means that same LC money will be used for other things football related eg CoE or spending $2-4 mil Reserve Grade & U21 operations

Look at how Easts pump LC money into the Central Coast and Bears recently while building facilities at Waverley
 
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Looks like people inside the game who worked on the ARLC agree with my position on the annual grant!


The irony is V'landys capitulated just like Grant 7 years earlier. Now the game is a mess. It's only a matter of time until it bankrupts itself trying to appease the greedy clubs.
😂😂😂😂. So according to The Logan Potato the ARLC is going to go Bankrupt because they don’t follow his thinking which is backed up by a 3 yr old article that was talking about 2015.

Hasnt the ARLC posted profits the last few yrs …even during 2020(Covid).

lol ..nothing like mashing the keys in the middle of the night to try to get your point across ..& failing miserably.
 

siv

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Whats gets me if the Broncos & Cowboys have all of this wonderful cash, why dont they field a RG or NYC team

Cant see any benefits for them to leach off the poor BRL clubs
 

hineyrulz

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Just wondering if Logan Potato eats crayons .
To continually discount revenue to suit his agenda is laughable .
then claim if the clubs don’t give up pokie revenue they’re doomed.
It seems to have worked very well ( ethics aside) since the first pokie was in place at a club .
Yet apparently it’s DOOMED
DOOMED I tell ya.

homer simpson GIF
 

titoelcolombiano

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Otside of the name "Tigers" what would Balmain actually bring to the table for any Qld based side? All the money resides in the wests side of the joint venture, as do many of th eir biggestr junior league catchment (i.e. Campelltown area).
I was thinking the same thing. The only thing I could come up with is that if the NRL allowed Wests & Balmain to de-merge and issued a licence to each. Balmain would hold the Tigers logo and an NRL licence which would be appealing to the Brisbane Tigers as they could then conceivably enter the NRL and not have to use the Firehawks brand.
 

Mr Angry

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Really irks the ARL peeps that players are truly professionals, they are paid well and it is the only job they need.

They would probably like it if players were still low so low paid they needed a job to pay the rent. Should have followed amateur Union. League came into being cause kickby did not want to pay players, then they went pro later, wankers in elbow patches.

The players today benefit greatly from the Super League war. They won.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Adding Perth as team 18 would bring the NRL just about where it was in 1995-6, footprint-wise - and funnily enough, in that scenario the 2 most recent expansion teams would have been "catching up" for the loss of the Crushers and Reds respectively.
In my opinion, we are ahead of where we were in 1995.

Brisbane 2 is back
Gold Coast is back
Sydney rationalised with 2.5 less clubs (which wasn't the case in 1995)
Melbourne instead of Perth (which is a much bigger market that we have a good niche foothold in now)

Plus we have:
- room to expand (17 teams in 2023 v 20 teams in 1995
- better stadiums for most teams (still lots of work to do)
- much higher broadcast revenue
- much higher non-broadcast revenue

Perth of course will be the icing on the cake but with the Dolphins coming in, we are now in front of where we were in the mid-90's
 

Reflector

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The NSWRL agreed to the stipulation and they were running the NSWRL, so all accountability falls back on Arthurson and Quayle.

The only reason the old dickheads went with the Broncos instead of Ron McAuliffe's bid is because they were afraid he would create a juggernaut that would dominate the Sydney clubs. He was responsible for Queensland dominating Origin in the 80s.

WHEN four Brisbane businessmen expressed their intention to bid for a licence to enter the New South Wales Rugby League in 1988, legendary Brisbane Rugby League figure Bob Bax ran a book, quoting them as 100-1 outsiders.​
Senator Ron McAuliffe, the father of State of Origin and the most influential figure in Queensland Rugby League at the time, was the frontrunner to win the licence but unbeknown to his rivals was not only off-side with those south of the border but also many within Queensland.​
NSWRL bosses Ken Arthurson and John Quayle didn’t particularly want to give the licence to four men who would forever revolutionise sport in Australia but they certainly didn’t want the man who had stripped away NSW’s interstate supremacy to get his hands on it either.
Better the devil you don’t know, if you will.​
“Bobby Bax ran a book on us and had us 100-1 outsiders,” founding Broncos director Barry Maranta tells foxsports.com.au.​
This doesn't prove your argument. This is just hearsay.

Just like my insistence that (were it not for the distraction of the SL war) NSW would've won the 1995 series, making it a sweep of 6 series in a row from 1992-97).

Or your insistence that Wynnum Manly would've easily accounted for the Eels, Dragons or Bulldogs in the mid 80's...
 
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