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Divided rugby league fell 25 years ago – but united has it conquered? by Steve Mascord.

gerg

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The Eels are entitled to take whatever is offered to them by the gov. I don't begrudge them for accepting the offer.

The hypothetical future funding situation you've alluded is not guaranteed to ever happen. Even if it were to occur, it doesn't change the fact that this deal gives Parramatta a significant advantage over every Sydney club that doesn't have a bransld new stadium and high performance training centre in the foreseeable future. It will lead to Parramatta generating significantly more revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality than smaller clubs like Wests, Canterbury, St George and Manly.

Do you dispute any of this?

The odds of Manly, St George or Cronulla ever getting this sort of funding is so remote it's not worth taking seriously.

I wouldn't be surprised if South Sydney got a bit of help to build a high performance training centre.
This is almost entirely out of the control of these teams. If you want to be pissed about this blame politics. Not the NRL teams. Not the city of Sydney. The upgrading of NRL specific infrastructure is something we should be proud of and accepting of. Not pissing and moaning about.
 

Pneuma

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This is almost entirely out of the control of these teams. If you want to be pissed about this blame politics. Not the NRL teams. Not the city of Sydney. The upgrading of NRL specific infrastructure is something we should be proud of and accepting of. Not pissing and moaning about.
His negativity is on a par with that of the original potato from Perth.
 
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This is almost entirely out of the control of these teams. If you want to be pissed about this blame politics. Not the NRL teams. Not the city of Sydney. The upgrading of NRL specific infrastructure is something we should be proud of and accepting of. Not pissing and moaning about.

The Gold Coast Titans have a privately funded $25M high performance training centre at Parkwood. It was opened in 2016.
 
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Doesnt each Qld team now have a new stadium and the Storm have a new CoE
Yes.

I just read up on the Wests Tigers CoE at Concorde.


The NSW Government contributed $64.6 million towards the precinct redevelopment, including the Wests Tigers Centre of Excellence.

...

The $84.5 million Concord Oval and Community Sport Precinct redevelopment provides new recreation spaces for the rapidly growing inner west population, including indoor sports courts, playground, and café and community rooms.


The City of Canada Bay and federal gov contributed to the project.


The Redevelopment of Concord Oval is proudly funded by the NSW Government in association with the Australian Government, the City of Canada Bay, and Wests Tigers.


I don't know how much the Tigers contributed.

What does this mean for the Bulldogs?

Canterbury is based in the inner west.

What hope do the Bulldogs have of getting something like this now that the region already has one for the community?

I found this from an independent source:

AFL Clubs

Adelaide Crows – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government election announcement to support the development of a new home for the Crows in the city centre that also supports women’s team.

Brisbane Lions – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government budget and $15m from Palaszczuk State Government. Estimated cost $70m.

Carlton Blues – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government and $20m in 2018 from Andrews Government for redevelopment of Ikon Park.

Essendon Bombers -$6m in 2011 from Gillard Federal Government as part of it sharing facilities with Paralympic athletes and $1.8m State Government. Estimated cost $26m. Essendon is looking to futher redevelopment its Tullamarine base.

Freemantle Dockers – $10m in 2013 from Gillard Federal Government and $10m from Barnett State Government. Estimated cost $109m.

Gold Coast Suns – $15m in 2015 from Abbott Federal Government. Estimated cost $22m.

Hawthorn – is chasing $130 million to fund its ambitious shift from Waverley Park to a new training facility in Dingley. Currently no commitments from Federal and State Governments.

North Melbourne Kangaroos – Arden Street Oval was redeveloped in time for the 2010 AFL season with funding from Federal and State Governments. It cost $16 million. In 2018, it is seeking $10m for redevelopment of its Arden Street headquarters.

Port Adelaide Power – $2.5m in 2008 from Rudd Federal Government and $2.5m in 2008 from Rann State Government for the development of our Allan Scott Power Headquarters facility at Alberton Oval. $6m in 2019 from Morrison Government election announcement to SANFL for an upgrade of Thebarton Oval.

Richmond Tigers – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government budget for establishment of William Cooper Centre to house the club’s women’s football operations and the Bachar Houli Foundation.

St Kilda Saints – $12 in 2015 and $13 m in 2018 million from Andrews State Government for redevelopment of Moorabbin Oval. Estimated cost $30.3m. Note – State Government previously provided $3.45 million when it moved to Seaford.

West Coast Eagles – $13m from Abbott Federal Government in 2016 and $10m by Barnett State Government. Estimated cost $59.9m

Western Bulldogs – $8m in 2004 from Howard Federal Government and $3m Bracks State Government. Estimated cost $20m
Clubs that I could not locate Federal or State high performance training investment are Geelong Cats, Sydney Swans and Melbourne Demons.

NRL Clubs

Brisbane Broncos – $6.75m in 2014 from Abbott Government. Estimated cost $27m.

Canberra Raiders – $5m in 2018 from Barr ACT Government and $4m in 2018 from Beljekian State Government. Estimated cost $19m.

Canterbury Bulldogs – $2m in 2017 from Beljekian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program.

Cronulla Sharks – $8m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program.

Gold Coast Titans – $12m training facility received no government funding.

Manly Sea Eagles – $20m in 2019 as part of Berejiklian State Government election commitment. Estimated cost $36m.

Melbourne Storm – $12 million in 2018 from Andrews State Government.

North Queensland Cowboys – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Federal Government budget.

Newcastle Knights – $10m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program. Estimated cost $20m.

South Sydney – $10m in 2014 from Abbott Federal Government and $8.6m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program. Estimated cost $26m.

Sydney Roosters – $5.76m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program.

Wests Tigers – $5.5 m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program. Aim to develop $57m facility at Concord Oval.

Penrith Panthers were disappointed that its $22 million facility which was fully funded by the Panthers Group was precluded from applying for Berejiklian State Government Centres of Excellence Program. It was aiming to help refund some of the costs of their training centre.

No funding grants could be currently located for St George Dragons and Parramatta Eels.

In looking at the funding arrangements for both AFL and NRL clubs there was also some level local government assistance.
It should be noted that cricket, rugby and netball have received funding from Federal and State Governments for high performance training centres. In fact, the Morrison Federal Government in 2019 budget committed $7m to National Cricket Campus in Brisbane.

As can be seen, AFL and NRL teams have extracted very good funding from Federal and State Governments. The question to be raised is whether these governments should be funding these high-performance centres. In my research it appears that the Queensland Government is generally reticent to fund these facilities.

 
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Pneuma

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Yes.

I just read up on the Wests Tigers CoE at Concorde.

The NSW Government contributed $64.6 million towards the precinct redevelopment, including the Wests Tigers Centre of Excellence.​
...​
The $84.5 million Concord Oval and Community Sport Precinct redevelopment provides new recreation spaces for the rapidly growing inner west population, including indoor sports courts, playground, and café and community rooms.​

The City of Canada Bay and federal gov contributed to the project.

The Redevelopment of Concord Oval is proudly funded by the NSW Government in association with the Australian Government, the City of Canada Bay, and Wests Tigers.​

I don't know how much the Tigers contributed.

What does this mean for the Bulldogs?

Canterbury is based in the inner west.

What hope do the Bulldogs have of getting something like this now that the region already has one for the community?

I found this from an independent source:

AFL Clubs
Adelaide Crows – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government election announcement to support the development of a new home for the Crows in the city centre that also supports women’s team.​
Brisbane Lions – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government budget and $15m from Palaszczuk State Government. Estimated cost $70m.​
Carlton Blues – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government and $20m in 2018 from Andrews Government for redevelopment of Ikon Park.​
Essendon Bombers -$6m in 2011 from Gillard Federal Government as part of it sharing facilities with Paralympic athletes and $1.8m State Government. Estimated cost $26m. Essendon is looking to futher redevelopment its Tullamarine base.​
Freemantle Dockers – $10m in 2013 from Gillard Federal Government and $10m from Barnett State Government. Estimated cost $109m.​
Gold Coast Suns – $15m in 2015 from Abbott Federal Government. Estimated cost $22m.​
Hawthorn – is chasing $130 million to fund its ambitious shift from Waverley Park to a new training facility in Dingley. Currently no commitments from Federal and State Governments.​
North Melbourne Kangaroos – Arden Street Oval was redeveloped in time for the 2010 AFL season with funding from Federal and State Governments. It cost $16 million. In 2018, it is seeking $10m for redevelopment of its Arden Street headquarters.​
Port Adelaide Power – $2.5m in 2008 from Rudd Federal Government and $2.5m in 2008 from Rann State Government for the development of our Allan Scott Power Headquarters facility at Alberton Oval. $6m in 2019 from Morrison Government election announcement to SANFL for an upgrade of Thebarton Oval.​
Richmond Tigers – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Government budget for establishment of William Cooper Centre to house the club’s women’s football operations and the Bachar Houli Foundation.​
St Kilda Saints – $12 in 2015 and $13 m in 2018 million from Andrews State Government for redevelopment of Moorabbin Oval. Estimated cost $30.3m. Note – State Government previously provided $3.45 million when it moved to Seaford.​
West Coast Eagles – $13m from Abbott Federal Government in 2016 and $10m by Barnett State Government. Estimated cost $59.9m​
Western Bulldogs – $8m in 2004 from Howard Federal Government and $3m Bracks State Government. Estimated cost $20m​
Clubs that I could not locate Federal or State high performance training investment are Geelong Cats, Sydney Swans and Melbourne Demons.​
NRL Clubs
Brisbane Broncos – $6.75m in 2014 from Abbott Government. Estimated cost $27m.​
Canberra Raiders – $5m in 2018 from Barr ACT Government and $4m in 2018 from Beljekian State Government. Estimated cost $19m.​
Canterbury Bulldogs – $2m in 2017 from Beljekian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program.​
Cronulla Sharks – $8m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program.​
Gold Coast Titans – $12m training facility received no government funding.​
Manly Sea Eagles – $20m in 2019 as part of Berejiklian State Government election commitment. Estimated cost $36m.​
Melbourne Storm – $12 million in 2018 from Andrews State Government.​
North Queensland Cowboys – $15m in 2019 from Morrison Federal Government budget.​
Newcastle Knights – $10m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program. Estimated cost $20m.​
South Sydney – $10m in 2014 from Abbott Federal Government and $8.6m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program. Estimated cost $26m.​
Sydney Roosters – $5.76m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program.​
Wests Tigers – $5.5 m in 2017 from Berejiklian State Government as part of its Centres of Excellence Program. Aim to develop $57m facility at Concord Oval.​
Penrith Panthers were disappointed that its $22 million facility which was fully funded by the Panthers Group was precluded from applying for Berejiklian State Government Centres of Excellence Program. It was aiming to help refund some of the costs of their training centre.​
No funding grants could be currently located for St George Dragons and Parramatta Eels.​
In looking at the funding arrangements for both AFL and NRL clubs there was also some level local government assistance.​
It should be noted that cricket, rugby and netball have received funding from Federal and State Governments for high performance training centres. In fact, the Morrison Federal Government in 2019 budget committed $7m to National Cricket Campus in Brisbane.​
As can be seen, AFL and NRL teams have extracted very good funding from Federal and State Governments. The question to be raised is whether these governments should be funding these high-performance centres. In my research it appears that the Queensland Government is generally reticent to fund these facilities.
Potato
 

Perth Red

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Yes.

I just read up on the Wests Tigers CoE at Concorde.

No funding grants could be currently located for St George Dragons and Parramatta Eels.​
In looking at the funding arrangements for both AFL and NRL clubs there was also some level local government assistance.​
It should be noted that cricket, rugby and netball have received funding from Federal and State Governments for high performance training centres. In fact, the Morrison Federal Government in 2019 budget committed $7m to National Cricket Campus in Brisbane.​
As can be seen, AFL and NRL teams have extracted very good funding from Federal and State Governments. The question to be raised is whether these governments should be funding these high-performance centres. In my research it appears that the Queensland Government is generally reticent to fund these facilities.
Dragons did very well getting $40mill from nsw govt for the $50mill centre in wollongong. Nsw govt seems to particularly love CofE’s and is by far the most generous funder of any state for such things.

 
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Dragons did very well getting $40mill from nsw govt for the $50mill centre in wollongong. Nsw govt seems to particularly love CofE’s and is by far the most generous funder of any state for such things.

I cannot imagine tax payers who are struggling to put food on the table are happy about this allocation of funds to sporting clubs. Especially during over the last three years when people have been crippled by COVID-19 and natural disasters.
 

Generalzod

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I cannot imagine tax payers who are struggling to put food on the table are happy about this allocation of funds to sporting clubs. Especially during over the last three years when people have been crippled by COVID-19 and natural disasters.
Mate you are full of shit Rugby League has been a saviour for most players, taken their families away from poverty.
 

MugaB

Coach
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Panthers funded their one too, Just bad timing before money was being given away
Not bad timing... foresight!!!
If we were to wind back the clock a decade ago, panthers were almost ready to go under...
Forget about the money spent, efforts used, juniors produced... all to bring the Panthers to no.1...
Now every club wants to be Penrith...
Problem is only a handful could produce the strategy put forth by the leaders of the club back then, even if the govt is paying for a facility to house/train squads, its only one piece of a jigsaw, that the smugs have perfected, its not a copy and paste deal...
Canterbury might some day soon, with the guys that are there now... but its no good if the 1st grade side isn't similar to our current squad..
That goes for all the clubs... to me its money well spent... a possible threepeat on the way
 

taste2taste

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He’s been in England for ages so seeing how bad the game is over there is probably a big cause of it

plus killing off the Wolfpack was THE dumbest thing rugby league has done since I’ve been following it. Probably on par with super league which wasn’t the games fault

they had ottowa and New York ready to join too

they kicked them out and then found money to fund Leigh centurions

Robert elstone study determined Toronto as a city offered nothing to the English game but somehow Leigh does
This is what happens when clubs get too big of a say in the running of the competition. English teams voted out Toronto for self preservation. As you said, Ottowa, NY and Boston were lined up to join the comp, they didn’t want those yanks taking spots of English teams in the ESL….Yikes

imo biggest missed opportunity in the games history !
 
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The only RL stronghold that has acted in the best interest of the game is Queensland. The traditional BRL clubs have been rationalised from ten to six. Teams from Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba, NSW, Rockhampton, Mackay, Cairns, Townsville and PNG have been added to an expanded competition. There's a possibility of the FFRXIII entering a team from New Caledonia into the league.
 

Perth Red

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This is what happens when clubs get too big of a say in the running of the competition. English teams voted out Toronto for self preservation. As you said, Ottowa, NY and Boston were lined up to join the comp, they didn’t want those yanks taking spots of English teams in the ESL….Yikes

imo biggest missed opportunity in the games history !
That’s some revisionist bs right there lol.
 

taste2taste

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That’s some revisionist bs right there lol.
Care to elaborate?

New owner Carlo LiViolsi guaranteed finances for all Toronto's costs and all English teams flights and accommodation...it wouldn't have costed the ESL a cent and the clubs voted them out purely for self preservation. How else would you explain it ?

It was a free kick into the richest sporting market in the world and they said "No Thanks, we'd prefer Liegh" !
It's the equivalent of me giving you a free lotto ticket and you saying " No thanks, the ticket will take up too much room in my wallet "
 

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