Do we keep Sandow?

[Noise]

BA also suggested that Wicks shoulder injury might now be at the point of no return regarding surgery too and that Choc is busted

I reckon we will have to bite the bullet soon and call it and send all these guys for surgery and sandow can go play with himself in the sandpit out the back of the ground

Fighting for the spoon again. Always a risk buying old players (Watmough) and guys who have spent ages out of the game (Wicks, Hoppa) and injury prone merkins like Champion.

And not having a backup half in our top 25, particularly when the whole world knows Sandow is up and down like a yoyo.

We really only have ourselves to blame.

 

[forestfan]

Im Not prepared to write off our chances up there at Townsville

I think we shouldnt be looking to 2016

injuries or no injuries look at Penrith last year

season is not lost

 

[Avenger]

Brad Arthur Wants Chris Sandow Released Without Pay

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sport/nrl/news/2015/7/brad-arthur-wants-to-release-chris-sandow/

 

[Forty20]

BA also suggested that Wicks shoulder injury might now be at the point of no return regarding surgery too and that Choc is busted

I reckon we will have to bite the bullet soon and call it and send all these guys for surgery and sandow can go play with himself in the sandpit out the back of the ground

Given that we have already played Alvaro, De Gois, Faraimo, Nelson, Robinson and Seffa I imagine that our solution next week will almost certainly have to involve them but I would be pleading to the NRL to get Josh Aloiai, Bevan French, Ryan Matterson and possibly even Alex Twal in the team.

French is the only real possibility I can see getting through though, Matterson too if Sandow is released.

 

[Kornstar]

Given that we have already played Alvaro, De Gois, Faraimo, Nelson, Robinson and Seffa I imagine that our solution next week will almost certainly have to involve them but I would be pleading to the NRL to get Josh Aloiai, Bevan French, Ryan Matterson and possibly even Alex Twal in the team.

French is the only real possibility I can see getting through though, Matterson too if Sandow is released.

I know it's under 20's but Aloiai was a beast yesterday! French would add much needed speed. Twal should be a chance if Wicks and Lussick are out.

A bit of youthful enthusiasm might not be a bad thing for us at the moment with our more experienced guys busted.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Given that we have already played Alvaro, De Gois, Faraimo, Nelson, Robinson and Seffa I imagine that our solution next week will almost certainly have to involve them but I would be pleading to the NRL to get Josh Aloiai, Bevan French, Ryan Matterson and possibly even Alex Twal in the team.

French is the only real possibility I can see getting through though, Matterson too if Sandow is released.

How does the cap work with under 20 players? I assume there is second tier contracts and then under 20 contracts - can a club play an under 20 player that isn't top 25 without affecting the cap?

 

[Eelogical]

Im Not prepared to write off our chances up there at Townsville

I think we shouldnt be looking to 2016

injuries or no injuries look at Penrith last year

season is not lost

If we made the finals from here it would be on the end of a major season form reversal. We have been average at best over the season so far and I think I am being kind. Top that off with a mounting injury toll at the business end of the season, and now Sandow's petulance, there is nothing to suggest to me that we can go on to make the finals. I believe last night's game determined where we were headed for 2015.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

There's no need to go into Sandows performance, but it's at least partially Arthur's fault. He should have seen it coming and 'managed' Sandow to do better. Coaching is also man-management.

Raiders getting robbed. Get the bunker working properly and rule on forward passes.

 

[Eelogical]

There's no need to go into Sandows performance, but it's at least partially Arthur's fault. He should have seen it coming and 'managed' Sandow to do better. Coaching is also man-management.

Raiders getting robbed. Get the bunker working properly and rule on forward passes.

I agree, but have nothing to add to what I already stated. Is Ricky looking for another fine to keep up his stats?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

How does the cap work with under 20 players? I assume there is second tier contracts and then under 20 contracts - can a club play an under 20 player that isn't top 25 without affecting the cap?

Nah, if you play them they affect the 2nd tier cap. Of course, the salary of your typical up and coming U20 player is not that high, so you might still be able to play them. E.g. say we were $50k short of breaching the 2nd tier cap. Playing any new senior players is likely to cause a breach of the 2nd tier cap, but playing a kid on $30k will not cause a breach.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I agree, but have nothing to add to what I already stated. Is Ricky looking for another fine to keep up his stats?

Things have turned around. After receiving that penalty, Ricky's got nothing to complain about. What a joke this stripping rule is.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

There's no need to go into Sandows performance, but it's at least partially Arthur's fault. He should have seen it coming and 'managed' Sandow to do better. Coaching is also man-management.

All the help in the world and Sandow would have still turned in the exact same performance as he did last night. He spat in the mouth of every player, fan, official, and staff member that the club has ever had last night.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

All the help in the world and Sandow would have still turned in the exact same performance as he did last night. He spat in the mouth of every player, fan, official, and staff member that the club has ever had last night.

I disagree. No excusing Sandow, but a coach should know his players. What they're thinking and feeling. To some extent at least. I think there's a good chance that had Arthur played it differently we could have seen a different result. And it should always be about what's best for the team.

 

[TheParraboy]

There's no need to go into Sandows performance, but it's at least partially Arthur's fault. He should have seen it coming and 'managed' Sandow to do better. Coaching is also man-management.

Raiders getting robbed. Get the bunker working properly and rule on forward passes.

How do we know Arthur didn't do everything possible to help him prepare for the game?

 

[Kornstar]

I disagree. No excusing Sandow, but a coach should know his players. What they're thinking and feeling. To some extent at least. I think there's a good chance that had Arthur played it differently we could have seen a different result. And it should always be about what's best for the team.

Remember he is also having to choose his team as per the NRL. It's not like he can just drop players whenever he feels like it.

 

[strider]

I'm not sure what you think he could have done better? Dropped him? I'm not sure we can unless we drop Kelly too .... who plays in the halves?

I think BA put his faith in a guy performing like a professional .... what more can you ask of a coach but to have faith in his players?

 

[Obscene Assassin]

I disagree. No excusing Sandow, but a coach should know his players. What they're thinking and feeling. To some extent at least. I think there's a good chance that had Arthur played it differently we could have seen a different result. And it should always be about what's best for the team.

Well we can't drop the dud because our second tier salary cap situation and the only way he won't be in the Eels jersey is if he goes over to England, which we'd gladly do but the little shit wants to be paid out even though we've paid for his rehab and everything the club has done for him.

I know how Arthur should have handled the situation. Off the kick-off should have said to Junior Paulo to forget about the ball and just whack the grub across the chops. You can't be suspended for hitting your own player can you?

What was Arthur meant to do? How was he meant to get the grub to play well in this game?

 

[strider]

so it was sandow who didn't bother catching the kickoff - which lead to junior juggling it along the dead ball line yeah?

I didn't think anything of it at the time - but f**k that little merkin!!

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

How do we know Arthur didn't do everything possible to help him prepare for the game?

I don't know. He may well have. Just my thoughts on observing Arthur for however long we've had him and speculation on how a rookie coach might behave in such a situation, ie coaching the Eels under pressure.

Remember he is also having to choose his team as per the NRL. It's not like he can just drop players whenever he feels like it.

Yeah, I know dropping him is maybe not even possible. Stupid situation.

I'm not sure what you think he could have done better? Dropped him? I'm not sure we can unless we drop Kelly too .... who plays in the halves?

I think BA put his faith in a guy performing like a professional .... what more can you ask of a coach but to have faith in his players?

It's not about dropping him, just my observations and suspicions from watching BA. He's a rookie coach in a hell of a tough situation. It's possible, maybe even likely, that he felt pressure to appear strong. A man more secure in his situation (or more perceptive?) might have treated Sandow differently. As in, "Look, we can't keep you on, and we can't let you go, but that's just the way things are sometimes. It's just not a good fit. But you're a good footballer, and will be an asset to some team, and you've got the next 7 weeks or so to show that. And if we're any chance of going deep in this comp then you're gonna play a big part in that."

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

But as I said, just my thoughts. Arthur might be a great coach. I guess we'll find out if we don't have another election looming.