Do we keep Tim Mannah?

[Avenger]

Depends how much he is on.

 

[Parraren]

Should have been part of the progressive clean out of the 'spoon years' when Ben Smith, Keating, Burt, Fui ect were moved on or retired.

It's says a lot when your coach feels he needs to recruit 32+ yo forwards on big coin because our captain isn't a leaders ar$eh0le.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Not the greatest prop in the game, but a very good player. Puts in 100% in week. He made the most metres in our forwards last night. And very good defensively.

He is the least of our problems !!!

 

[hineyrulz]

Not the greatest prop in the game, but a very good player. Puts in 100% in week. He made the most metres in our forwards last night. And very good defensively.

He is the least of our problems !!!

You have a very different definition of very good, he was very good 4 years ago now he is solid and dependable at best. Hardly what you want for your number 1 prop and supposed captain and forward leader.

 

[The Engineers Room]

I thought Mannah was good tonight.
Took a shitload of hitups at the start of the match. Had to work from a shit field position a lot of the time.

Does anybody else think we work from shit field position because our too predictable 5 hitups and kick gameplan limits our go forward. Every time Mannah gets the ball the defence can just zero in on him and dominate him in the tackle because he offers nothing but straight up and down hitups.

He has for the last 4 years needed to develop a pass at the line, offload or footwork but has not done that.

 

[hindy111]

We have him for two more seasons. I have been critical of tim -Thou i think he has been ok the last 2 games.
Compare him to forwards like Brown from Souths who just steam rolled us along with burgess. This is the type of guys we need.
Tim is ok depending on the balance of our pack. With Beau Scott and Watmough you have two workers. It puts a lot of pressure on the other 3 forwards to make hard meters.
I expect the pack next year to have Wick and Jnr starting with Scott-watmough-Mau

 

[Bigfella]

Does anybody else think we work from shit field position because our too predictable 5 hitups and kick gameplan limits our go forward. Every time Mannah gets the ball the defence can just zero in on him and dominate him in the tackle because he offers nothing but straight up and down hitups.

He has for the last 4 years needed to develop a pass at the line, offload or footwork but has not done that.

We start from shit field position because we have hopeless outside backs.

It has been blindingly obvious for years and we do nothing about it.

Semi is the only one from 1-5 who offers anything carrying the ball back. Unfortunately we have hardly had him playing with Hoppa in the centres.

Robinson has a dig but is too light.

Morgan doesn't try and couldnt do it if he did and takarangi is too slow.

Sandow and Robinson on kick returns just passed.

It goes a long way to losing even a close game.

 

[hindy111]

Semi and Hoppa would be two of the better guys running the ball back.Taka does well with his size and charges. Robo is light and makes little impact but along with Morgan they can finish a try. Falou is not in the same class IMO

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Would walk into any team in the comp, maybe not as a starter, but as someone said earlier, he is the least of our worries. More the problem is the fact that he has had very little support over the past few years. Now with Junior and Wicks taking a bit of pressure of him, I actually think our prop rotation is fairly reasonable.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

The first mention of the long-service discount should have ended this thread. Besides, Timmy's alright.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

The first mention of the long-service discount should have ended this thread. Besides, Timmy's alright.

Given the lack of other "long serving"players, he'd almost be costing zero under the cap. A bargain.

 

[Chipmunk]

Yeh that's about right.

One thing to remember is that Mannah is our only player eligible for the long serving player discount (and there's no one else near eligibility). If we move him on, we lose that $200k discount....so we would be starting with a cap $200k less than every club with at least one long serving player. So presently, let's say he's on $400k a year (whatever), he costs us $200k on the cap, which I think is fair enough value. Shouldn't be our captain in the long run, and should probably start on the bench. But we don't have a lot more choice than that in the short run....we can't bring another player in from Wenty/20s (not that there's an obvious candidate).

I think it's now $250k for the long serving player.

The issue with Mannah and alll the other front rowers we have, is that they are all your 2nd, 3rd and 4th best in the team. We have no "No 1 Front Rower" in the team who can do what's needed. Look at all the top teams in the NRL, every single one of them has a Front Row Enforcer or Leader in the middle. We need one more front rower better than Mannah, Wicks and The Big Unit. We don't have that and until we get that we will not achieve much more than we are at the moment.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Junior Paulo will become that yardage monster every team needs. But right now Mannah is our best middle forward. He would make any club's top 17.

 

[hindy111]

I think it's now $250k for the long serving player.

The issue with Mannah and alll the other front rowers we have, is that they are all your 2nd, 3rd and 4th best in the team. We have no "No 1 Front Rower" in the team who can do what's needed. Look at all the top teams in the NRL, every single one of them has a Front Row Enforcer or Leader in the middle. We need one more front rower better than Mannah, Wicks and The Big Unit. We don't have that and until we get that we will not achieve much more than we are at the moment.

Penrith dont and i expect them too WIN the comp or be very close

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Given the lack of other "long serving"players, he'd almost be costing zero under the cap. A bargain.

Yep. I wonder who the next longest-serving player is? Could it be Morgs?

 

[hindy111]

Yep. I wonder who the next longest-serving player is? Could it be Morgs?

:lol: depressing

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It is.

Nah, go Morgs!

 

[Chipmunk]

Penrith dont and i expect them too WIN the comp or be very close

They have a bloke called Brent Kite, who's career speaks for itself. He's at the Panthers for a reason and the same reason that when he retires at the end of the year they have bought a State of Origin player in Trent Merrin to replace him. I'd swap Brent Kite for Lussick, Terepo and Fa'aoso right now.

To be honest when he was a Centre and I was coaching him in an Under 12 rep team I wouldn't have expected him to have played over 300 NRL games though... Good on him.

 

[Chipmunk]

Junior Paulo will become that yardage monster every team needs. But right now Mannah is our best middle forward. He would make any club's top 17.

Well we can only hope he does, because we don't really have any other option at the moment. I agree Mannah is in every club's Top 17. My argument isn't about that.

 

[Noise]

Penrith dont and i expect them too WIN the comp or be very close

2 weeks ago you said different. Yep 11th of May you said:

"I think penrith will struggle to make the 8. NRL favours city teams and $hit on the west.
It is why soccer and AFL will kill the game that we call NRL, there is only so much the fans will take before they go stick it.

Im a massive Moylan fan. Thou i think Bryce Cartwright is garbage.Plods up to line and i dont get the love."