Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[hineyrulz]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/jo...et-session-driving-moses-20210311-p579py.html

What a brilliant article and what I have been saying all along. We are very close. It is now up to Moses to finally click and get it right. This is where having the right mentor is crucial in his development. Imagine having the Wok as our fulltime mentoring coach. Now there's a proposition I would get very excited over.

The Wok has forgotten more about the game of RL than poor old Bea will ever know. And I like the “That’s your job” line.


I can just see him and Murph coming up with some more super cool moves.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/jo...et-session-driving-moses-20210311-p579py.html

What a brilliant article and what I have been saying all along. We are very close. It is now up to Moses to finally click and get it right. This is where having the right mentor is crucial in his development. Imagine having the Wok as our fulltime mentoring coach. Now there's a proposition I would get very excited over.

That article is about how Moses is off contract (with a player option if he can't find an upgrade) and leaving no stone unturned in an effort to become a player he isn't so he can get the big pay day. It's a fluff piece.

The fact is Moses was Dally M halfback of the year and NRL try assist leader in 2019, just focusing on his kicking game and his instincts. He probably wishes he had been off contract 12 months ago. However 2020 came around and we now had RCG and Matterson and were focusing on a low risk grinding game up the middle. That plus his calf injury meant Moses' form suffered and now merkins are looking for a more interesting story about how he has never reached his potential.

He reached his potential in 2019! That's how he plays his best footy. The 'kid' is 27 this year. He's already the type of player he was going to be, and we've already decided to get Dylan Brown more involved. Moses can take our new offer or he can keep looking around. If he can't find anything he can activate his extension for 2022 and try again in November. But these newspaper articles pushed by his management aren't analysis, they are entertainment for dopes who want a story told to them.

 

[84 Baby]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/jo...et-session-driving-moses-20210311-p579py.html

What a brilliant article and what I have been saying all along. We are very close. It is now up to Moses to finally click and get it right. This is where having the right mentor is crucial in his development. Imagine having the Wok as our fulltime mentoring coach. Now there's a proposition I would get very excited over.

I didn’t take that as it being all on Moses.
“There needs to be floating, subtlety and ball-playing in a bloke’s repertoire when he’s working across field with runners and decoys,” he said. “You need a lot of things going for you - the second-rower, the centre, the fullback and the winger. [The halfback] is the fifth bloke and the orchestrator of it all. He can be highly threatening if he has all of these other blokes creating danger while he floats and ball-plays and does his thing. They also need to make sure they don’t crowd him, the dummy runners, they need to let him do his thing.”
He needs all those other guys being actively involved for him to be able to do anything. I want to say we pace ourselves through games but the lack of off ball effort has annoyed me and probably everyone on here for ages.
I did appreciate the rescue plan comment though. And if Moses can identify and pull off a plays like that, I’d 100% concede it’s his team.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Andrew Johns was a great player. Perhaps the best. But he has never kept a long term assistant coaching role and from what I gather not that highly sort after. Being a Newcastle boy I would of thought a job for life from the club in this kind of role.
Makes me wonder if he is that good at this type of job.

The best coaches will be at the Storm and the richest Sydney clubs, Souths and Easts. If Johns was that great he would be there too.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree with all of that if Moses doesn't come good. It is up to him to lead them out of trouble when we are on the back foot. They have to ability if he leads them the right way. Just like any other team. They need the right direction, especially when things are not going your own way. This is what the great playmakers provide.

I believe our squad has more then enough talent to win it IF Moses plays to his full potential. Which I agree, is a massive IF.

Ray Stone would be a gun if he could just be bigger.

 

[Ashley Schaeffer]

The best coaches will be at the Storm and the richest Sydney clubs, Souths and Easts. If Johns was that great he would be there too.

Joey has acted as a hired consultant.. a job he does on the side to a full time gig at 9. Some teams with established halves might not see the benefit in a couple of sessions per week. I think us with a young half and a half thats taking a while to find his identity can benefit a lot from Johns. That and the fact that our actual coach seems to coach little more than effort and intensity. Joey might be just what we need.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

the fact that our actual coach seems to coach little more than effort and intensity.

I reckon a few current and former NRL coaches wish it was that simple to make the finals 3 times from 4 years.....

 

[eel01s]

Wok is 100% right. The great players look even better when their team mates are doing their job. Too often last year our second rowers were not running good lines which meant the defence just had to pick off a sideways running Moses or Brown.

 

[Gronk]

I agree with all of that if Moses doesn't come good. It is up to him to lead them out of trouble when we are on the back foot. They have to ability if he leads them the right way. Just like any other team. They need the right direction, especially when things are not going your own way. This is what the great playmakers provide.

I believe our squad has more then enough talent to win it IF Moses plays to his full potential. Which I agree, is a massive IF.

Which debunks your claim that we have left Moses to work it out himself. The eels think tank are not as clueless as you have been suggesting.

 

[Gronk]

Andrew Johns was a great player. Perhaps the best. But he has never kept a long term assistant coaching role and from what I gather not that highly sort after. Being a Newcastle boy I would of thought a job for life from the club in this kind of role.
Makes me wonder if he is that good at this type of job.

I think you are being very careless with the facts and very flamboyant with your speculation and waffle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johns

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Joey has acted as a hired consultant.. a job he does on the side to a full time gig at 9. Some teams with established halves might not see the benefit in a couple of sessions per week. I think us with a young half and a half thats taking a while to find his identity can benefit a lot from Johns. That and the fact that our actual coach seems to coach little more than effort and intensity. Joey might be just what we need.

Well as a former premiership and Origin winning halfback he'd have to be better at teaching halfback play than someone who's never played halfback in first grade, such as Robinson, Bennett or Arthur's.

 

[hindy111]

I think you are being very careless with the facts and very flamboyant with your speculation and waffle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johns

You are very easily fooled. Have you heard the story about the emperors new clothes?

 

[Gronk]

You are very easily fooled. Have you heard the story about the emperors new clothes?

No. Armani probably.

 

[Gary Gutful]

The thing with certain players, they need a football whisperer type to get them to the next level. A Gould or Bennett type to get into their ear and over time and patience help them to achieve that consistency that is lacking in their game.

I remember Gould saying how he used to sit with Freddy and mentor him for hours about not just football, but life and anything that would come up, like a second father. He would do this at training, at home and after heavy losses, wherever and whenever needed. He ended up turning him from that brilliant but lazy mostly centre and into the best 5/8th in the world.

And now Bennett is doing the same for L. Mitchell. This is what it takes sometimes to consistently tap into the talents of certain gifted but burdened with to much head noise individuals. It takes the right person to bring them a long, but eventually they grow and work it out for themselves and can move on from under their mentors umbrella.

Moses is ripe for this type of mentoring right now in his development and is screaming out for it actually as we can see with all the extra training and better attitude stuff he has been doing for the last couple of seasons. But as much as fitness will help and improve his game somewhat, fitness alone is not his issue. He needs the right kind of personal mentor to clear his mind of all those internal demons. But is either BA or AJ these types of mentors. I can't see it. So with a player like Moses, he will have to work it out for himself. So far he has struggled to find the right balance. We will know more by the end of this season.

The clock is ticking.

For every Freddy, Gould has at least 10 examples that he'd willingly share about players that he hasn't been able to get to reach their potential.

Sometimes, you either have it or you don't. If Moses never lives up to the hype then I think he personally has to take a lot of the responsibility for that. He's had plenty of people to guide him beyond BA and AJ (including Fittler himself) and so far there is one common denominator - Moses.

Since when did personal accountability go out of fashion?

 

[Gary Gutful]

The Wok has forgotten more about the game of RL than poor old Bea will ever know. And I like the “That’s your job” line.


I can just see him and Murph coming up with some more super cool moves.

The Wok is a Cok. An angry old, obstinate rummy with the patience of a Japanese beaver on meth.

Who gives a f**k about how much you know when you cant impart it or do anything without anyone thinking you are a merkin?

The Wok as a mentor is possibly the most laughable thing I have heard so far this season and we haven't even played our first game yet!

 

[Gary Gutful]

Andrew Johns was a great player. Perhaps the best. But he has never kept a long term assistant coaching role and from what I gather not that highly sort after. Being a Newcastle boy I would of thought a job for life from the club in this kind of role.
Makes me wonder if he is that good at this type of job.

I reckon he would have gotten better over the years. Just like his commentary.

 

[strider]

they have beavers in japan?

 

[hineyrulz]

The Wok is a Cok. An angry old, obstinate rummy with the patience of a Japanese beaver on meth.

Who gives a f**k about how much you know when you cant impart it or do anything without anyone thinking you are a merkin?

The Wok as a mentor is possibly the most laughable thing I have heard so far this season and we haven't even played our first game yet!

Sounds like he was a decent mentor for Andrew Johns, he's a cranky old merkin but it didn't stop him from making GF's 3 with different clubs. Bellamy is an absolute f**king nutter it hasn't stopped him from being the best coach in the modern era. Being a nice bloke and liked by all the players has gotten Bea exactly where????

 

[Gary Gutful]

You are very easily fooled. Have you heard the story about the emperors new clothes?

Bought them from Lowes.

 

[hindy111]

For every Freddy, Gould has at least 10 examples that he'd willingly share about players that he hasn't been able to get to reach their potential.

Sometimes, you either have it or you don't. If Moses never lives up to the hype then I think he personally has to take a lot of the responsibility for that. He's had plenty of people to guide him beyond BA and AJ (including Fittler himself) and so far there is one common denominator - Moses.

Since when did personal accountability go out of fashion?

I heard it went out of fashion around 2017