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Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 48.0%
  • No

    Votes: 118 52.0%

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Noise

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It's more granular than wins. We won a stupid amount of close games last year. Luck is a bigger factor in such games.
Wins / Losses are all that matters. Points differential is a backup (depth?) consideration. It is only used to seperate teams on equal points.
 

lucablight

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You think it's Arthur's fault we lost in the finals to a couple of clubs with better rosters?
That Cowboys roster wasn’t better than ours in 2017. We had our opportunities last year against a better team as well but collapsed due to other reasons apart from having an inferior roster.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Wins / Losses are all that matters. Points differential is a backup (depth?) consideration. It is only used to seperate teams on equal points.
That's how it's used by the NRL to determine position on the ladder, but come finals time, points differential is a better predictor of performance (ergo, it is a superior measure of the quality of a team).
 

Poupou Escobar

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That Cowboys roster wasn’t better than ours in 2017.
Maybe not for a regular season game, but for a finals match they were more experienced. Twelve of those merkins won a premiership together two years earlier. They also beat the Sharks (defending premiers) and the Roosters in that finals series.
We had our opportunities last year against a better team as well but collapsed due to other reasons apart from having an inferior roster.
How could you know it had anything to do with any other factor than the inferior roster?
 

lucablight

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Maybe not for a regular season game, but for a finals match they were more experienced. Twelve of those merkins won a premiership together two years earlier. They also beat the Sharks (defending premiers) and the Roosters in that finals series.
How could you know it had anything to do with any other factor than the inferior roster?
The Cowboys were missing Thurston and only made the finals because Canterbury pulled off a huge upset of the Dragons in the final round. They had also lost 6 of their last 7 games going into the finals. We collapsed after being in control of the game by leading 10-0 at halftime. The Sharks had a better roster than the Cowboys and should have beaten them as well. The Cowboys beat the Roosters but there was no Tedesco or Cronk in that team yet.

As for the collapse against the Rabbitohs did you not watch the game after Moses missed that penalty goal?
 

Poupou Escobar

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The Cowboys were missing Thurston and only made the finals because Canterbury pulled off a huge upset of the Dragons in the final round. They had also lost 6 of their last 7 games going into the finals.
Who cares about the circumstances of them making the eight? Once they were there they had the finals experience to cause upsets. They also had a ton of Origin experience, the opposite of Parra.
We collapsed after being in control of the game by leading 10-0 at halftime. The Sharks had a better roster than the Cowboys and should have beaten them as well. The Cowboys beat the Roosters but there was no Tedesco or Cronk in that team yet.
Proof that Flanagan and Robinson can't coach? The Sharks also didn't have Tedesco/Cronk, and for that matter, neither did we. What a dumb f**king argument. We were missing Gutherson though.
As for the collapse against the Rabbitohs did you not watch the game after Moses missed that penalty goal?
We were already starting to run out of puff when we went for that goal. We were too reliant on our starting middle forwards for yardage, especially with Ferguson, Sivo and Mennings out.
 
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hindy111

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That's how it's used by the NRL to determine position on the ladder, but come finals time, points differential is a better predictor of performance (ergo, it is a superior measure of the quality of a team).

Kind of. Except if a side has injuries or guys out for origin they could have 3 weeks where cop 40 point losses. Newcastle are a good example.

#outsmartedbyhindy111
 

Poupou Escobar

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Kind of. Except if a side has injuries or guys out for origin they could have 3 weeks where cop 40 point losses. Newcastle are a good example.

#outsmartedbyhindy111
But that's only one team and three weeks. Over 25 round you have to assume it evens out for all teams. Yes some teams have worse years than others due to injury, but when comparing full season statistics (e.g. points differential), you have to look at it over the whole year and for all teams rather than cherry picking a handful of games. Save the cherry picking for when you're discussing the results of a single game, but then be aware that luck plays a much bigger role in the outcome of such a small sample.
 

hindy111

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But that's only one team and three weeks. Over 25 round you have to assume it evens out for all teams. Yes some teams have worse years than others due to injury, but when comparing full season statistics (e.g. points differential), you have to look at it over the whole year and for all teams rather than cherry picking a handful of games. Save the cherry picking for when you're discussing the results of a single game, but then be aware that luck plays a much bigger role in the outcome of such a small sample.

There isnalso the fact that the side you play. Did they have kept players out? You could of played manly in first 4 games and that probably meant a 30+ to your differential.
I can only think of one or two games when we met opposition whilst severely weakened. But most games this year we played sides close to full strength.
 

lucablight

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Who cares about the circumstances of them making the eight? Once they were there they had the finals experience to cause upsets. They also had a ton of Origin experience, the opposite of Parra.

Proof that Flanagan and Robinson can't coach? The Sharks also didn't have Tedesco/Cronk, and for that matter, neither did we. What a dumb f**king argument. We were missing Gutherson though.
We were already starting to run out of puff when we went for that goal. We were too reliant on our starting middle forwards for yardage, especially with Ferguson, Sivo and Mennings out.
So you’re going to completely ignore form coming into the finals? Even if you want to claim that the Cowboys had more finals experience you don’t just get to hand wave away the fact that the Cowboys were considered a one man team (two man if you want to be generous and include Taumololo) and we’re expected to struggle after losing 6 of their last 7 games because it doesn’t suit your narrative. You’re overrating the role of the Cowboys supporting cast. We had the better team and it was reflected in the betting odds (we were $1.30 favourites).
The difference between Flanagan/Robinson and Arthur is that they’ve shown they can take some of their chances when they are presented. The current coach has not been able to do that.
 

Poupou Escobar

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So you’re going to completely ignore form coming into the finals?
I am. Plenty of teams have gotten flogged one week and then won the following week. The Panthers did it this year, Souths did it twice, as did Parra, Manly abd Canberra. The Roosters have followed a flogging with a win four times this year. The Titans have done it five times! We lose a game and you f**ken idiots decide we won't ever win again. It happens year after year. Form is what happened last week. This week is a new game.
Even if you want to claim that the Cowboys had more finals experience you don’t just get to hand wave away the fact that the Cowboys were considered a one man team (two man if you want to be generous and include Taumololo) and we’re expected to struggle after losing 6 of their last 7 games because it doesn’t suit your narrative. You’re overrating the role of the Cowboys supporting cast. We had the better team and it was reflected in the betting odds (we were $1.30 favourites).
No, the odds reflect form. If the odds accurately reflected the quality of a team I wouldn't have made so much money backing roughies this year.
 

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