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Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 48.0%
  • No

    Votes: 118 52.0%

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hineyrulz

Post Whore
Messages
153,770
I have said this many, many times before, but always get howled down by others here that have connections to our club and systems, but our junior development(setup) has failed us and is failing us big time. We don't seem to have any real idea what is actually in it and who the valuable kids are. While every other club that comes in and invades seem to pick up the cream of the crop.

Even when we get some of them through our system for a few years, we seem to not value the better ones enough and allow them to get poached by our competitors. Some of the ones we have lost just to Manly like Schuster and Olakau'atu by all accounts were quality from a very young age and easily identified. Others like Saab, well if I were a scout, any player that is the fastest player in the juniors, I would keep an eye on and keep encouraging him and tell him that he has a place here in the Parramatta juniors family and if he keeps improving we will pick him up. In other words build a freakin relationship with him and others so they know that and that we actually care and see them as valuable assets. Don't just ignore them and let them be vulnerable to poaches.

I almost started to believe we had turned a corner and had fixed our juniors systems and identification processes by listening to some of you here, but after seeing the calibre of former junior players at other clubs that are young and could have easily come through to be playing for us now under this current coach, I don't believe it for a second anymore.

We are light years away from getting this sh*t right. Hopefully whoever the new coach is, he will have a clue as to how to setup and put in place the right people that know how to get maximum return on our junior feeder systems. I wish we had appointed Tim Sheens before the Tigers got him.

As you say, allowing other clubs to setup shop in our backyard is FREAKIN INSANE!!!

Where the f**k did the turbo brothers come from? We should setup there.

And stories like this below prove again how useless we really are at creating the base that every successful football club has to have right or sustained success will never come. More and more we have seen how vital it is otherwise yoyo seasons and upheaval will be common place.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/he...discovered-in-a-car-park-20210813-p58ii0.html

‘He’s always been a gun’: The Manly star who was discovered in a car park​

Nearly every good rugby league player is spotted when they are young and on the football field.

Manly wrecking ball Haumole Olakau’atu was spotted in a car park.

Olakau’atu has been one of the many excellent young stars who have shot to stardom for the Sea Eagles this season.
The 22-year-old has terrorised rivals on the right edge. Manly skipper Daly Cherry-Evans is only half joking when he describes Olakau’atu - all 196cm and 112kg of him - as “the scariest man in rugby league”.

NSW coach Brad Fittler is a fan, and confirmed he was about to bring Olakau’atu into the extended squad ahead of Origin III, only to realise Manly did not have a bye that weekend.
Sadly Saturday night’s rivals, Parramatta, never rated Olakau’atu and snubbed the Fairfield junior not once but twice from their Harold Matthews and SG Ball sides.

Which brings us back to 2016 and the car park at the Sea Eagles’ Narrabeen training base.

Olakau’atu was training with the Southern Districts colts team when Manly hooker Manase Fainu asked him if he could keep him company during the long drive from Sydney’s south-west to the northern beaches a couple of times a week.

“I’d sit in the car and just watch Manase train,” Olakau’atu said.

“Manase said I should join him at training, he asked if it was OK, I started training on a Monday, we had a trial that week against the Dragons.

I played, [coach] Wayne Lambkin liked the way I played, [recruitment manager] Scott Fulton liked the way I played, and then I was signed.
“It was all Manase’s doing in the end. I’m so grateful to him.”

Lambkin, who was only in his first year of coaching Manly’s Holden Cup team, took one look at the giant seated in Fainu’s Audi and said it made sense for him to pull on the boots and have a go.
“I remember asking the boys if he could play, and I was like, ‘far out, he’s big enough’, and ‘is he the right age?” Lambkin said.

“I spoke to him and said, ‘do you want a train-and-trial with us?’ instead of just driving your mates to training.”
For the record, the Manly under-20s team won the premiership in 2017, with Olakau’atu and Cade Cust forming a lethal combination on the left edge.

Fainu quipped he was still waiting to be paid the 6.5 per cent management fee for delivering his good friend to the northern beaches.
“I even gave him my bank details,” Fainu said.

“He’s always been a gun. We played juniors together. We’re related. His father and my grandmother grew up in the same village in Tonga.
“We even played in the same under-13s team at Wentworthville. [Penrith winger] Brian To’o was also in the side. He was a centre. Haumole and I were the wingers. I’m so happy for him. ”

Olakau’atu is related to North Queensland enforcer Jason Taumalolo, the man whose decision to defect to Tonga before the 2017 World Cup breathed new life into international rugby league, but he has never met nor spoken to him.

He has now played 14 games this season, made the right-edge back row spot his own, and continued to develop his on-field combination with Cherry-Evans.
“He’s the scariest man in the NRL - he just looks it - but he’s such a great fella,” Cherry-Evans said.
“He’s always had potential, he’s been in our full-time squad a couple of years. We all knew how good he could be, we were just waiting for him to understand it. For whatever reason it’s clicking for him this year and we’re getting to enjoy it”

Olakau’atu, who was a handful against Melbourne last week - and one of the first players to get in the face of chirpy Cronulla centre Will Chambers the week before that - would love to get one over the club he supported as a kid and help the Sea Eagles leapfrog them on the ladder into fifth.
Reading that you don’t know wether to laugh or cry, meanwhile we re-sign plodders like Ray Stone. You are right the whole system needs to be blown up and start again. First thing I’d be doing is getting Brian Smith on the phone and see if he can do something with junior pathways and retention.
 

emjaycee

Coach
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Who should we let go in terms of players?

I'd happily let Gutherson go (12 months ago, I never thought I'd say that), and Sivo.

Dylan Brown is not popular, but he is 20, and under an attacking coach with a clue, he will shine.

Nathan Brown is out of form, but he is an all-heart player - those are worth their weight in gold.

Ryan Matterson may not be elite, but he's not far off - consistently pulls great numbers, but our coach thinks he's just a battering ram, and wastes his ball skills, and foot work.

I'd happily let Russell take Gutherson's spot, and move Waqa Blake to the wing, and bring in Penisini.

1. Russell
2. Blake
3. Penisini
4. Opacic
5. Dunster
6. Brown
7. Moses
8. Paulo
9. Mahoney (C)
10. Campbell-Gillard
11. Papali'i
12. Matterson
13. Brown

14. Kaufusi
15. Niukore
16. Lane
17. Hollis/Greig

That would be what I would do, given the available players off contract.

1. Russell
2. Blake
3. Penisini
4. Drown
5. Sivo (only if he learns to work harder)
6. Gutho (C) - not extended beyond 2022
7. Moses
8. Paulo
9. Mahoney (C)
10. Campbell-Gillard
11. Lane
12. Cartwright
13. Matterson

14. Kaufusi/Niukore
15. Nrown
16. Papali'i
17. Perham

Let Gutho play out his contract at 6. We need more speed outside and there are no viable backs available so turn Drown into a Centre, bring Russell into FB and all of a sudden we have some pace in the backline.

Nrown needs to come off the bench to keep us with momentum and if we need to rest 2 edge forwards, we have Papa and Niukore for that role.
Train Perham up to be a replacement dummy half as well and he covers 9, and 1-7 as required.

Go all out for a new 6 for 2023 (maybe that Pryce kid in the UK).
 

pazzaeel

Juniors
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798
1. Russell
2. Blake
3. Penisini
4. Drown
5. Sivo (only if he learns to work harder)
6. Gutho (C) - not extended beyond 2022
7. Moses
8. Paulo
9. Mahoney (C)
10. Campbell-Gillard
11. Lane
12. Cartwright
13. Matterson

14. Kaufusi/Niukore
15. Nrown
16. Papali'i
17. Perham

Let Gutho play out his contract at 6. We need more speed outside and there are no viable backs available so turn Drown into a Centre, bring Russell into FB and all of a sudden we have some pace in the backline.

Nrown needs to come off the bench to keep us with momentum and if we need to rest 2 edge forwards, we have Papa and Niukore for that role.
Train Perham up to be a replacement dummy half as well and he covers 9, and 1-7 as required.

Go all out for a new 6 for 2023 (maybe that Pryce kid in the UK).

short term i would like to see Gutho and D Brown change positions. just give it a go. nothing to lose.

i reckon dylan has a better chance at succeeding at 1 then Gutho has at 6.

Dyl can defend and IMO opinion is faster than guth, almost as fit, has more chance of breaking the line than Guth and will just generally be more dangerous chiming in to our backline plays.
 

Gronk

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
77,708
short term i would like to see Gutho and D Brown change positions. just give it a go. nothing to lose.

i reckon dylan has a better chance at succeeding at 1 then Gutho has at 6.

Dyl can defend and IMO opinion is faster than guth, almost as fit, has more chance of breaking the line than Guth and will just generally be more dangerous chiming in to our backline plays.
You'd have to carry Will Smith to sub for Dylan, cos he'd get gassed pretty quick.
 

eels_fan

First Grade
Messages
7,584
anyone expecting any changes from team list tuesday today?

Other than Papalii back to the edge to replace Matto, and Kaufusi returning from the head knock, i'm expecting the exact same 17.

BA hasn't even seen the boys since we lost on Saturday night, we'll get 2 sessions in tomorrow and friday, so im doubting he's doing much changing
 

Twizzle

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
153,342
You may find this of some interest, but the current Roosters Manager of Recruitment and Retention is none other than Daniel Anderson (yes the former Coach of the Eels and the Warriors). Has been in the role since January 2019.

and he's been busy

 

emjaycee

Coach
Messages
13,826
anyone expecting any changes from team list tuesday today?

Other than Papalii back to the edge to replace Matto, and Kaufusi returning from the head knock, i'm expecting the exact same 17.

BA hasn't even seen the boys since we lost on Saturday night, we'll get 2 sessions in tomorrow and friday, so im doubting he's doing much changing
I am expecting 3-4 changes to be honest.
Apart from Oregon coming back in, I expect a few other changes but not sure where exactly.
I think we will see Russell in there somewhere and possibly Hayze 2 given his debut, perhaps for Opa.

BA has seen enough of Dunster and Jarthur to know whether they are going to improve the side or not, so I think he will take the opportunity to mix up a few players this week...

Having said that, it will probably be a cut and paste with only forced changes such as Oregon for Matto in the 17.
 
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Gazzamatta

Coach
Messages
15,646
short term i would like to see Gutho and D Brown change positions. just give it a go. nothing to lose.

i reckon dylan has a better chance at succeeding at 1 then Gutho has at 6.

Dyl can defend and IMO opinion is faster than guth, almost as fit, has more chance of breaking the line than Guth and will just generally be more dangerous chiming in to our backline plays.
But if we move him to 1 and he succeeds he will want fullbacks money. Cant have that.
 

The Eel

Juniors
Messages
304
1. Russell
2. Blake
3. Penisini
4. Drown
5. Sivo (only if he learns to work harder)
6. Gutho (C) - not extended beyond 2022
7. Moses
8. Paulo
9. Mahoney (C)
10. Campbell-Gillard
11. Lane
12. Cartwright
13. Matterson

14. Kaufusi/Niukore
15. Nrown
16. Papali'i
17. Perham

Let Gutho play out his contract at 6. We need more speed outside and there are no viable backs available so turn Drown into a Centre, bring Russell into FB and all of a sudden we have some pace in the backline.

Nrown needs to come off the bench to keep us with momentum and if we need to rest 2 edge forwards, we have Papa and Niukore for that role.
Train Perham up to be a replacement dummy half as well and he covers 9, and 1-7 as required.

Go all out for a new 6 for 2023 (maybe that Pryce kid in the UK).
I think I heard or read Pryce has re signed with his UK club.
 

pazzaeel

Juniors
Messages
798
But if we move him to 1 and he succeeds he will want fullbacks money. Cant have that.
our 2-5 are currently plodders (although credit to Waqa who i reckon has been having a crack lately) and so are a couple of our bench. We can afford and need to source a couple of top bracket, x factor, game breaking players in our squad. Moses may count as 1 but we need another i reckon. if that turns out to be Dyl Brown at no.1 than so be it. pay him what he is worth.

all the other top clubs have a couple of game breakers. we need to get on that wagon instead of having maybe 1 (moses) and then 16 other "solid players"
 

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