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Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 48.0%

  • No

    Votes: 118 52.0%
  • Total voters
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lucablight

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Poupou Escobar said:
Like us after 2018?
This is why I think we are at the peak for a club our size. Top six is the best we can do with our resources. It's why the best coaches won't come here. The Cowboys and Broncos have both proved to be bigger, better resourced organisations. Their recent underperformance is just that.

Granted the players might’ve recognised all this and could be demoralised by the fact we are being forced to lose players next year rather than continually getting stronger like so many fans think should be possible “NiNe YeArS fFs!!!”. But either way I don’t think it’s a coaching problem, and likewise I doubt any given new coach would be the solution. But I’ll concede a new coach could possibly give the players the comfort of the illusion that he could suddenly make us a club with top resources. I’m sure plenty of fans would be comforted, and no doubt the CEO and board are starting to think so too.

But my opinion is that we would be shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, and money, not coaching, is required to consistently perform at the level of the top clubs.
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Pretty incredulous that anyone can look at the way this team defends its goal line and attacks the opposition try line and say it’s not a coaching issue. Even other coaches/players/commentators see it. Also a huge copout to say any club that finishes ahead of us does do because they’re better resourced.
 
Chipmunk

Chipmunk

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Poupou Escobar said:
Like us after 2018?
This is why I think we are at the peak for a club our size. Top six is the best we can do with our resources. It's why the best coaches won't come here. The Cowboys and Broncos have both proved to be bigger, better resourced organisations. Their recent underperformance is just that.
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This might be the case, but with the regression over the last 12 months, it is probable that Brad Arthur and his coaching staff have achieved all they're going to achieve with this playing group, so why not give someone else the chance who might potentially do more than negligible improvement across 3 seasons?

Mount the argument for why the people who have been in the job for 9 seasons, have only been able to improve the squad negligibly across 3 seasons, and currently have a team regressed over the last 12 months, are the best people to remain in the job?

I'll make the argument that the coaching staff aren't that good themselves, and after 9 seasons, anyone similar would've actually at a minimum achieved exactly the same results.

You say that our main issues are that we lack go forward from our wingers and fast, aggressive, hard working forwards. I don't disagree, I'd be surprised if anyone on this forum, or in the wider rugby league world would disagree that these are at present our two biggest weaknesses. Do you think the current coaching staff are capable of solving this? I don't, and I suspect nor do you. So what is the harm in getting someone else to try and solve the problem?

The coaching staff have had their chance. No one else seemed interested in signing them, why should we keep them?
 
Chipmunk

Chipmunk

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lucablight said:
Pretty incredulous that anyone can look at the way this team defends its goal line and attacks the opposition try line and say it’s not a coaching issue. Even other coaches/players/commentators see it. Also a huge copout to say any club that finishes ahead of us does do because they’re better resourced.
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For mine the coaching staff are either limited tactically, or the playing group are incapable of delivering the tactics of the coaching staff. I find it difficult to believe that the coaching staff would stick with players for so long if they weren't delivering the tactics instigated by the coaching staff.
 
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Poupou Escobar

Poupou Escobar

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lucablight said:
Pretty incredulous that anyone can look at the way this team defends its goal line and attacks the opposition try line and say it’s not a coaching issue. Even other coaches/players/commentators see it.
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They might've recognised it's an issue but if you think they blamed the coach you're just having your biases confirmed. Gould recently said the coach isn't the problem.
Also a huge copout to say any club that finishes ahead of us does do because they’re better resourced.
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It's not about ladder finish in a single season because luck is always a factor, and it's a bigger factor the smaller the sample of games. We snuck into third place (with the sixth best differential) a couple of years ago ffs. What I'm saying is that better resourced clubs will outperform less resourced clubs over the long term, which is what all the evidence shows us. Did the Cowboys and Sharks win their recent premierships under Payten and Fitzgibbon? Did you know the Sharks junior reps have outperformed ours for a few years now? Do you think it has anything to do with Fitzgibbon (or even the seemingly unemployable Flanagan) vs Arthur?
 
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lucablight

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Poupou Escobar said:
They might've recognised it's an issue but if you think they blamed the coach you're just having your biases confirmed. Gould recently said the coach isn't the problem.
It's not about ladder finish in a single season because luck is always a factor, and it's a bigger factor the smaller the sample of games. We snuck into third place (with the sixth best differential) a couple of years ago ffs. What I'm saying is that better resourced clubs will outperform less resourced clubs over the long term, which is what all the evidence shows us. Did the Cowboys and Sharks win their recent premierships under Payten and Fitzgibbon? Did you know the Sharks junior reps have outperformed ours for a few years now? Do you think it has anything to do with Fitzgibbon (or even the seemingly unemployable Flanagan) vs Arthur?
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Can you demonstrate its due to lack of resources rather than poor management? Regardless, the current position of the juniors has nothing to do with the NRL side that runs onto the field.
 
Poupou Escobar

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Chipmunk said:
So if there is no payout, then there is no harm?
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Unless performances dropped off, but there's no way to know in advance. We do have some key players out of form. Junior Barlow is good but he's a shadow of the player he was when he was Junior Pawlo. Gutherson and Mahoney are worse now too. You can blame the coach but that's making excuses for them. Paulo and Gutherson are our captains ffs. Their form is on them.
 
Poupou Escobar

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lucablight said:
Can you demonstrate its due to lack of resources rather than poor management?
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Management is itself a resource. It's reflective of how much money you have and at some level also determines how much more money you're able to get.
Regardless, the current position of the juniors has nothing to do with the NRL side that runs onto the field.
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How about the position of the juniors three or four years ago? Either way, the relative quality of the juniors reflects the resources available to the club. Our juniors haven't been good since 2017. We've had big changes since then around organisational responsibility. Club executives made a lot of noise about making the football operation sustainable. Meanwhile privately owned clubs can waste as much money as they like.
 
Chipmunk

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Poupou Escobar said:
Unless performances dropped off, but there's no way to know in advance. We do have some key players out of form. Junior Barlow is good but he's a shadow of the player he was when he was Junior Pawlo. Gutherson and Mahoney are worse now too. You can blame the coach but that's making excuses for them. Paulo and Gutherson are our captains ffs. Their form is on them.
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Performances have already dropped off though. Statistics clearly demonstrate that we're not remotely as good as we were 12 months ago, and you point out the above players who are out of form.
 
Poupou Escobar

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That doesn't mean they couldn't drop off further. We had a form slump last year and recovered for the finals. Why is it unlikely to happen again this year?
 
Chipmunk

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Poupou Escobar said:
That doesn't mean they couldn't drop off further. We had a form slump last year and recovered for the finals. Why is it unlikely to happen again this year?
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Because our form slump was likely related to the unavailability of our half back at the time.

We've been woeful more than once with our best 17 on the field this year.

If our form drops off further we won't even make a Finals to be able to recover for.
 
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JokerEel said:
So it seems in a year the club hasn't changed in the right direction all..

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‘Not a lot of football intellect’: The infighting threatening to turn Eels into ‘the next Broncos’

‘Not a lot of football intellect’: The infighting threatening to turn Eels into ‘the next Broncos’
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However, Kent believes Arthur and O’Neill “are not on the same page” and also pointed out that there are simply too many cooks in the recruitment kitchen — and not enough “football intellect.”

“You’ve got five people on the committee: (Eels chairman) Sean McElduff; Sarantinos; O’Neill; Arthur and (head of recruitment) Ben Rogers,” he said.

“There’s not a lot of football intellect in that room to be fair. I’m talking about boots on the ground, people that know a lot about what a football player looks like.

“So essentially they’ve only really got O’Neill and Arthur who have got that background in the game, and if they’re not agreeing then what to the other three do other than be subject to the politics?”
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I dont know Ben Rogers, but i hope if his job title is, head of recruitment, that he has some football intellect
 
Eelogical

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Chipmunk said:
For mine the coaching staff are either limited tactically, or the playing group are incapable of delivering the tactics of the coaching staff. I find it difficult to believe that the coaching staff would stick with players for so long if they weren't delivering the tactics instigated by the coaching staff.
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Maybe our tactics suck.
 
chiefy1

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Any fan who still wants Brad @ parramatta for 2023 must either have 💩 for brains or be related. How is it that 46% still want him here? Maybe pao pau has 500 accounts is my guess
 
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